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TheDeuce 02-26-2006 11:32 AM

Good points for Leinart supporters
 
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All Leinart knew at USC was success. He lost two games in three years by six points, and Young was all that kept the Trojans from winning three straight national titles. I've heard the same story from a couple of scouts, that 'SC coach Pete Carroll, when asked whom he'd take between Carson Palmer, Leinart's predecessor and one of the best young QBs in the game today, and the guy he just had, said, while Palmer has all the tools, Leinart's the guy if you want to win championships. If for some reason, the Saints don't take him at No. 2, no doubt his former offensive coordinator, Norm Chow, and the Titans will at the third spot. Cutler could even go to the Titans, since Chow is said to not be all that enthralled with the idea of tailoring his offense around Young's unique talents.

The thing about Leinart is, in essence, he's been in the spotlight for three years in the second-largest media market in the country. With USC being the closest thing L.A. has to an NFL team, Leinart was the star of stars. If he goes to a place like New Orleans or Tennessee, or to almost any other market, one could argue the scrutiny will be less than it was at Southern Cal.

Sure, he had Reggie Bush, LenDale White and great protection, but somebody had to drive the bus. Maybe Leinart doesn't have the arm to make all the throws, or at least make them all look easy, but he's made big throws. For example, fourth-and-8 in South Bend, Ind. He could not have been cooler in crunch time of the title game, dancing to the band's music and keeping teammates loose in the huddle.

"The one thing, it was tough being in LA, dealing with all the pressure and the limelight, and really being the only team there that's had success the last couple of years," he said. "I think that, the publicity that I've gotten, whether it's going out, or anything that I got, I think that's going to prepare me for the NFL, just because that's the closest thing you're going to get. Obviously it's not the NFL. But wherever I do go I'm going to have great preparation. I've been there, I've seen everything, I've done tons of interviews, I've seen lots of things happen."

The best competition Leinart faced may have been in practice, and he's been well- schooled by USC's pro-level coaching staff. He's probably the best decision-maker of the three top prospects. He looks at himself as "a Tom Brady-type."

"I think my overall preparation at USC is going to be an advantage," Leinart said. "First playing behind Carson Palmer, who's a Pro Bowl quarterback, and learning from him. Playing against an NFL-style defense and Coach Carroll for five years -- Troy Polamalu, Lofa Tatupu, guys that I've played against. I think I've been prepared the best you can be prepared.

"Playing in big games. Being on the biggest stage, I think that's going to prepare me."

You'd have to think he's better, having passed on entering the draft after his junior year -- and on a chance at maybe being the top pick -- and gotten another year of seasoning.

"Far better," Leinart said. "I was able to really approach the game mentally ... the film watching … I've studied a bunch of NFL quarterbacks -- Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Rich Gannon, Brett Favre. I've spent a day with Rich Gannon, he came down to 'SC. Just to see how he prepares for a game every day during the week.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft0...ael&id=2344648

D_it_up 02-26-2006 11:48 AM

RE: Good points for Leinart supporters
 
Excellent post, Deuce. Nice read.

LivnaLieTimay 02-26-2006 12:53 PM

RE: Good points for Leinart supporters
 
I read this article earlier today and really liked what I saw. I've always thought of Leinart as a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning type guy. These guys both don't have a Brett Favre arm but make the right decisions and reads to help their team win, and I think that is exactly the kind of qb Matt Leinart is. I also realized that this article really hyped up Leinart and Cutler while only giving a brief paragraph at the end for Young. I think that the rose bowl buzz is wearing off and people are starting to realize he isn't on the same level as Leinart. I'll say that after the rose bowl I liked Young (not as much as Leinart) but would have taken him on our team, now I put him in the category with Cutler (they're good qbs, not great qbs). No knock against Cutler or Young, but Leinart is starting to separate himself from the other 2 as the clear cut best qb in the draft.

gandhi1007 02-26-2006 01:34 PM

RE: Good points for Leinart supporters
 
Besides the arm strength controversy (which his arm is not weak), what's not to like about this guy?

AllSaints 02-26-2006 02:53 PM

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Notre Dame game he walks to the huddle 4th down need to get down field crowd going nuts leinart calls audible !!!! they get it and the rest is history.... that is when i started becoming a leinart fan........

WhoDatQB 02-26-2006 03:31 PM

Good points for Leinart supporters
 
Notre Dame game he walks to the huddle 4th down need to get down field crowd going nuts leinart calls audible !!!! they get it and the rest is history.... that is when i started becoming a leinart fan........


I will have to agree, I liked him from then on, well and after seeing how horribly the Saints were doing it did not hurt that I thought there was a good chance that we could end up drafting him.

spkb25 02-26-2006 05:26 PM

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wasn't a big fan for matt. i never wanted young but i really didn't want matt either. i have started tio like him more. it is articles like that that have changed my mind. getting matt won't hurt

Euphoria 02-26-2006 06:38 PM

RE: Good points for Leinart supporters
 
He didn't win in the Rose Bowl when it counted... trade back in the draft and build this team from the lines and D.

gandhi1007 02-26-2006 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria
He didn't win in the Rose Bowl when it counted... trade back in the draft and build this team from the lines and D.

And Tom Brady didn't win the Super Bowl this year either. :? That doesn't mean he's not a great QB. Jesus, just because USC's defense stunk up the joint in the Rose Bowl hardly validates not drafting a guy that threw for over 300 yards against Texas' secondary (probably the best in the country) & has continuously been the top QB in the NCAA for the past 3 years.

D_it_up 02-26-2006 07:11 PM

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No sense arguing with Euph, gandhi. He's just clinging to the little bit of hope that he has left that, by someway trading down, the Saints will keep Aaron Brooks.

BlackandBlue 02-26-2006 08:45 PM

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saintswhodi 02-27-2006 09:06 AM

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No sense arguing with Euph, gandhi. He's just clinging to the little bit of hope that he has left that, by someway trading down, the Saints will keep Aaron Brooks.

Wow. And there were times It hought I was the only one who realized this. Good call.

saintswhodi 02-27-2006 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by spkb25
wasn't a big fan for matt. i never wanted young but i really didn't want matt either. i have started tio like him more. it is articles like that that have changed my mind. getting matt won't hurt

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, like I changed my mind on Omar, you changed your mind now on Matt? Good to see. Welcome aboard. You were late to the Brooks needs to go train too, but you finally got there in the end. And that's what matters. :D

mjf150 02-27-2006 09:23 AM

Here's some more great points in relation to Leinart, from one of my previous post:

Combine notebook: The great unknown?

By Charles Robinson, Yahoo! Sports
February 23, 2006

INDIANAPOLIS – Despite the national championship and the ensuing gushing only seven weeks ago, Vince Young apparently still has plenty of selling to do in NFL circles.

A poll of a handful of coaches and personnel men at the NFL scouting combine on Thursday revealed plenty of uncertainty about the Texas quarterback. Questions ranged from the garden variety (throwing motion, ability to fit him into an offense, etc.) to concerns centered on risk (Does Young's unique talent override the financial and schematic gamble that will have to be taken by whoever drafts him in April?).

"You're probably going to hit a double every time with [USC quarterback Matt Leinart]. With [Young], you're going to strike out or hit a home run," said Cleveland Browns general manager Phil Savage, who rated Leinart as the safer pick at this point. "When you're talking about $40-, $50- and $60-million contracts, you might be better off taking the double. But there's always a team or two that's willing to take that chance.

"The same questions that [2005 No. 1 pick] Alex Smith had to answer last year are the same ones Vince Young is going to have to answer this year."

Among those questions are whether Young can operate primarily from under center rather than a shotgun set; whether he can be productive in a traditional offense rather than one that is suited to his current talents; and whether his sidearm throwing mechanics will hinder his ability to be an efficient passer.

"I've seen tapes on him and obviously he's a very good athlete," Tennessee Titans offensive coordinator Norm Chow said of Young. "Until you get to know him better, you'd be crazy to make those kinds of statements [about where he ranks]. I don't know enough about him, … Not only what you see, you have to get a feel for him – what he understands, what he knows, what he doesn't know."

And those appear to be significant questions.

While workouts have the potential to change perceptions, the sense here was that Leinart – and in some cases, even Vanderbilt's Jay Cutler – rank ahead of Young on draft boards.

Excluding Savage and Chow, a poll of four personnel men and two offensive assistants (all from different teams) revealed a strong lean toward Leinart. Only one assistant thought Young was the best quarterback prospect in this draft. Two of the six thought both Leinart and Cutler ranked ahead of Young.

"If you think he's a pure athlete like Michael Vick, then how has that worked out?" said one personnel man. "Atlanta still hasn't figured out what he is, and they've had [five] years and two different coaching staffs working on it."

When told of Savage's comment that Young faces the same challenges Smith did coming out of Utah last season, the personnel man remained skeptical.

"Does [Smith] look like it's going to be an easy transition?" he said. "Not to say Alex Smith isn't going to work out, but you see they [the San Francisco 49ers] are going uphill with it."

Savage's thoughts were particularly interesting, considering the Browns aren't in the market for a quarterback and he has no reason to be elusive with his evaluation. Asked about Cutler, Savage added that the Vanderbilt product "has put himself in position to be either the second or third quarterback taken," seeming to indicate the possibility of Young dropping to third in the quarterback race.

"If you take a Vince Young, you take a Michael Vick, you take some of these [spread offense] players that are going to be coming through the ranks the next few years, you have to decide, 'Are you going to revamp and change everything and try to fit it to that quarterback?' or 'Are you going to try and put a round peg in a square hole?' " Savage said. "… That's the advantage Matt Leinart has. He's played in a pro-style system.

"With Vince Young, you see a handful of plays [in his college film] that really translate into an NFL game. You can watch 30 games of Vince Young if you want to, and you're going to come up with maybe four or five games worth of tape that really applies. Whereas Leinart, you can watch four games, and you're going to see four games of NFL-style offense."

That will be a significant reality in the coming weeks, considering the vacuum of workout information at the combine. Outside of Cutler, very little light is expected to be shed on the trio of QBs this week.

Only Cutler is expected to throw, and there continues to be a strong belief in league circles that the New York Jets are interested in taking him with the No. 4 overall pick. Jets head coach Eric Mangini refused to comment on any of the team's draft evaluations and general manager Mike Tannenbaum said it was too early for the Jets to form opinions about prospects.

"We're still in the data-collection stage of college scouting," Tannenbaum said.

For now, Young and Leinart only plan on throwing at their respective pro days – March 22 for Texas, and April 2 for USC.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns

BlackandBlue 02-27-2006 11:25 AM

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Savage's thoughts were particularly interesting, considering the Browns aren't in the market for a quarterback
Correct! Because they selected the QB I had on top of my list, during last years draft. ;)


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