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exactly tobias. i also like the staff that payton set up. the guy has me excited. i am liking it

The rumor I got off the other Saints board is that the Saints offered 5 years 40 million dollars for Brees' services. They said it was heard on a San Diego radio station. :awe: I know we have a couple of Cali people on our boards I wonder if they could confirm this.

I like the possibility of signing Brees! Near the end of the season (before brees got hurt) I was calling for the saints to try and trade for Rivers, so I am excited by the possibility of signing drew (besides Payton seems to have good luck with DREWS). I can still see us drafting Leinart or trading down and maybe picking up Cutler. I would love to see the Saints try to sign a quality linebacker (arrington or witherspoon) and maybe Allen at CB. This is starting to be a very exciting offseason. GEAUX SAINTS!! PS. COME ON GATORS BEAT THOSE TIGERS!!

looks like that would be in line with what he is looking for. i heard he was looking for what he got last year as the fran. player. which i think was like 8mil

further to that point papz

The deal will probably average just under $8 million per year for six years. The transition tag salary, which is the average of the top 10 quarterbacks, is $8.3 million. And if any team doesn't believe the salary will go this high probably needs to forget about Brees as an option. I would not be surprised if the team that wins his services will put a six-year deal together for $46.8 million with $15 to $16 million guaranteed.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9287875

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Originally Posted by papz

I absolutely love Leinart... I'm a USC junkie. But, I'm tired of losing and I'd like to see us win now. Realistically with drafting a rookie qb, we're not going to become instant contenders. After the 5 6 years, however long our drought of missing the playoffs has been, I'd like to see some wins around here. If signing Brees will get us closer to the playoffs and Leinart having to wait in the wings, I'm all for it. Carson Palmer had to pay his dues while Kitna was starting, I don't see why letting Leinart learn would be such a bad idea... if we decided to go in that direction of course which once again, I'm all for.

Papz, that scenario looks very realistic. I listened to that interview on Sirius & after talking about cutting Brooks, all Loomis could talk about was Matt Leinart. This franchise may actually be moving in the right direction for a change.

I've been away for a while, and apparently we're interested in Brees? I'm kinda upset about this occurrence. The guy had a nasty injury to end his season. He's also going to be one of the highest paid FAs this year. So why are we interested in doling out too much money for a guy coming off a season-ending shoulder injury? That just doesn't make sense to me, especially with all of these people here talking about how we have so many holes to fill...

Don't know if this has been posted or not, but here goes:

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The Miami Dolphins ended the 2005 season on a six-game winning streak and are viewed by many as being only a player or two away from becoming a strong playoff contender. One of those players most certainly will be a quarterback, and one of the quarterbacks the Dolphins reportedly have a strong interest in is Drew Brees.

Brees' 2005 standard passing statistics compare quite favorably with the Dolphins' combination of Gus Frerotte and Sage Rosenfels. Brees completed 64.6 percent of his passes and posted a rating of 89.2, averaging 7.15 yards per passing attempt. Frerotte and Rosenfels combined to complete 52.3 percent of their passes for a rating of 72.8, averaging 6.22 yards per attempt.

These numbers certainly suggest that Brees would be a considerable upgrade for Miami, but how does Brees measure up in a passing metrics analysis?

First, let's take a look at the metrics for Brees for the 2005 season (excluding his Week 17 against the Broncos when he was knocked out with an injury):

Brees
Depth Attempts Completions Yards TD INT Pen Yds/Att
Short 304 223 1742 5 8 15 5.8
Medium 98 58 916 8 3 25 9.6
Deep 65 30 795 11 3 78 13.4
Total 467 311 3453 24 14 118 7.6

These are certainly very solid metrics. It has been said that Brees has trouble throwing deep passes, but he completed 46 percent of his deep passes in 2005. This percentage wasn't an anomaly, as Brees also completed 42 percent of his deep passes in 2004. To put that percentage in perspective, Brees finished the 2004 season with the fifth highest deep-pass completion percentage in the league, and I expect him to finish at least that high in 2005.

Now let's compare these numbers against the Dolphins' tandem:

Frerotte/Rosenfels
Depth Attempts Completions Yards TD INT Pen Yds/Att
Short 329 222 1769 6 3 8 5.4
Medium 99 45 816 7 5 3 8.3
Deep 93 24 871 9 5 47 9.9
Total 521 291 3456 22 13 58 6.7

The first thing to notice about this comparison is the similarity in the short and medium pass numbers. The attempt and completion totals are nearly identical in some cases, and the other numbers are also extremely close.

Brees did toss 11 interceptions in short or medium passing attempts, while Frerotte and Rosenfels combined for eight, but the Dolphins' duo had three other interceptions on passes that were either tipped by opposing linemen at the line of scrimmage or thrown as the quarterback was being hit by a defender. Since the depth of these passes isn't clear, I put them in a separate category. If those three interceptions were included in the short and medium pass comparison, the Dolphins' total would equal that of Brees.

The deep-pass category is where the Dolphins struggled last year. Rosenfels and Frerotte attempted 28 more deep passes than Brees yet had six fewer completions. Frerotte and Rosenfels completed only 26 percent of their deep-passing attempts, a number that will place them near the bottom of the league for 2005.

The one aspect of the comparison that surprised me was the inaccurate pass metric. On each passing attempt, I track whether the quarterback threw an accurate or inaccurate pass. When an inaccurate pass leads to an incompletion , I track the number of yards the play would have gained if the receiver had caught the pass at that point (I don't factor in any potential yards after catch). This includes inaccurate passes that were dropped, and inaccurate passes that were so far off the mark the receiver had no chance to catch the pass.

The Dolphins' quarterbacks were widely criticized for being extremely inaccurate last season (especially Frerotte). When I ran a metric comparison, I found the difference wasn't as great as expected, largely because Brees had accuracy issues of his own.

Brees had 38 total inaccurate passes that cost his team yards (15 were dropped and 23 were simply off the mark). These passes would have gained a combined 422 yards.

The Dolphins' quarterback duo had 66 total inaccurate passes (28 were dropped and 38 were off the mark). These passes cost the Dolphins a total of 597 yards.

The Dolphins certainly want to upgrade their quarterback position, but the difference between Brees and the Dolphins' current stable of quarterbacks isn't as great as it might seem. Their short and medium metrics are almost identical. Brees is certainly more accurate, but the Dolphins only lost 175 more yards on inaccurate passes last year. Brees had a much higher quarterback rating, but a lot of that was due to the Dolphins' heavy reliance on the deep passing game.

The real question for the Dolphins is how much they want to pay for Brees, who is coming off major shoulder surgery and might improve their team only incrementally. If the price is too high, the Dolphins might do better investing in other areas of the team.

Some scary research

I liked the idea of signing Drew Brees when I began fantasy thinking right after the end of the season. Lately, with all the poison-pill talking from Brees and the Chargers - I am no longer sure.

Seems from what research I can find, Brees wants a lot of guaranteed money this year, but may not even be able to throw a single pass this year.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports...1chargers.html

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With the sides some $6 million apart on guaranteed money for the first year of what is essentially a one-year contract with an option for five additional years, the Chargers reiterated their concern over Brees' surgically repaired right shoulder.

Brees acknowledged yesterday the ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“worst-case scenarioÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬? is that he does not throw a pass this season, but he repeated his belief he will play in 2006 and said he expects to be ready in time for the opener. But he also wants more of a guarantee from the Chargers.

So essentially, while acknowledging there is no "guarantee" that he will play at all this year, he wants guaranteed money in the 8-10 million range.

The Chargers organization alleges that they have that kind of money in his deal, if he take at least 75% of the snaps this year.

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While the potential total value of the Chargers' contract proposal is $50 million over the six years ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â€Âœ in line with other top quarterbacks ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â€Âœ the only guaranteed money is $2 million, well below what stars such as Tom Brady and Carson Palmer have received in recent deals.

Brees could earn an additional $8 million the first year of the contract should he play 75 percent of the team's snaps.

The offer goes on to make the deal even more sweet, but I'll let you read that if you're interested.

With the offer by the Chargers made public, we get the Brees camp throwing the "liar, liar" defense all over the place.

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Said Brees: ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“Tom (his agent) has no reason to lie. I told Tom from the beginning of negotiations I want to do everything we can to be in San Diego. We attempted to make that happen. And the numbers are so much more elsewhere than they are with the Chargers I'd be stupid not to take an offer elsewhere.ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬?

I start to feel like this might be a typical Saints signing - overpaying for a guy whose basically a problem in the locker room, with an over-inflated opinion of himself and his play, who insists he's worth more than he is this year.

I'm not saying I totally sold against the idea of Drew Brees, but I am worried.....

RE: Some scary research

I can't wait to put on NFL Network and see: "Breaking news: New Orleans Saints sign QB Drew Bress to x year contract." This would make me happy, and what would make me even happier is to hear: "There is a trade with the 2nd pick in the draft. The New Orleans Saints trade their pick to the Jets for their 1st 2nd and 4th round pick.............................With the 4th pick in the draft the New Orleans Saints select Offensive Tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson University Virginia." This guy is a MONSTER! The second coming of Roaf only better. This would finally solidify our O-line. I know we have some defensive issues and A.J. Hawk would be a great pick. I would not be dissapointed with that pick either but Ferguson is just way too good to pass on.

Next I would love to hear: "With the 34th pick in the 2006 draft the New Orleans Saints select Bobby Carpenter OLB Ohio State" He worked alongside Hawk and was overshadowed by Hawks star power. To wrap this up quickly next pick in the 2nd round I would like Joseph Addai WHY? because he is an LSU back and would be a viable back-up to an oft injured Deuce. next pick which is in the third I want Brodie Croyle QB Alabama. He will never be a great starter but he is smart and like Addai is a viable back-up. I know that I have alot of offense on my first day of draft wants, but I am hoping that the Saints get some good Defensive Free Agents. I for one like LaVar which will open up some more draft picks for someone like a DT or a CB.

That is ALL

The Fins are taking a shot at him but, they dont have much wiggle room in the cap from what I heard, but that may have improved with the new CBA

going along the line of what Papz said about signing Brees and drafting Leinart I found an article that suggests a similar opinion. I know PFT is all rumors but it is something to consider that is along the lines of what Papz has been saying about signing Brees to a shorter deal and having Leinart watch and learn...

"BREES DOESN'T WANT TO JOIN SAINTS

The scuttlebutt in league circles is that quarterback Drew Brees doesn't want to join the Saints, but that he's talking to them in the hopes of driving up the offer made by his preferred destination, the Miami Dolphins.

Word is that the Saints envision Brees as a short-term starter who would handle the job while Matt Leinart or Vince Young or Jay Cutler get ready to play. As a result, the Saints are offering the kind of deal that Kurt Warner signed two seasons ago in New York as Eli Manning got ready to play -- a two-year contract that is essentially a one-year deal.

The problem is that the Fins don't want to pay the same kind of money in 2006 that the Saints are willing to invest. Instead, Miami is giving Brees the opportunity to earn big money over the long term.

So the Saints are banking on Brees' shoulder being fully healed in time for the 2006 season, and the Dolphins are being more cautious.

In the end, Brees' best play might be to take less money in the short term with an organization that is far better equipped to succeed over the long haul."

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

They make some valid points in that article...I dont see the saints doint a NT Giants deal though...thats expensive..I genuinly think that Payton wants Brees becasue he sees a younger Bledsoe in him...Look what he did with Bledsoe this year, they didn't make the playoffs but they played well and I think were a better team than the Redskins despite losing to them...