Jets and Redskins break off talks for trade with Ramsey
 

In my estimation this information is the clearest indication that the Jets want Leinart and are going to trade up to get him. They know Pennington's arm is shot and he is not the future. They need a big name in the draft to compete with Eli's appeal, and Leinart is telling everyone under the sun he wants to play for the Jets. I think when it's all said and done the Jets trade to get Leinart, the Titans take Young and we take D'Brick with the number 4 pick. We then pick up two of the three LB, CB, or DT with our two second rounders. The Ramsey trade falling through is the kicker to all of this.

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Unless they trade for Matt Schaub

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a bidding war between them is easy to imagine, the gate appeal for the marquee name in NY and Humdingeringer reunited with his pupil in TN. do not discount the influence of an OC with previous connection. i think Carmichael here and the input from Parcells were vital to getting Brees.

By the charts we get more than a 2nd too. most teams wouldn't wanna give 1-2-3 but another 2nd in '07 is completely reasonable. they both have players that could be thrown in too.

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Everyone seems so sure the Jets are going to trade up to #2. I don't think it's going to be as easy as some people think. The Jets cutting off talks with the Skins for Ramsey is a sign they are interested in going qb but that's not a definate. I believe that the Jets are more willing to trade up to #1. If they trade up to #2 who's to say the Titans won't jump to #1. The Texans would love that scenario because they want Mario Williams and that would mean we would have #4 and they would have #3 and they would get their guy, Mario, plus extra picks. Anyways, the only way I see someone trading up, is to get Leinart and I believe the Titans and Jets both have Leinart as their clear cut top choice. Vince Young's stock has fallen and the Titans and Jets have to be wondering if he is worth a top 4 pick. If any of these teams really want Leinart, they'll trade up to #1 to make sure they get him. If the Texans aren't asking for that much more than us, it seems like if these teams have any brains, they'll go straight to the top, guaranteeing themselves Leinart on draft day.

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personally i think schaub would be a great take for a 2nd rd pick- anywhere. i dunno how much i believe those rumors though. as fragile as ron mexico is they need a solid replacement.

...that got me thinking (oh no!)...
in fact, i think vick will lose his luster and end up closer to the kordell stewart hall of what might have been. he falls out with mora. he is traded to the raiders. schaub turns into a tough competitor in the nfc south.

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And then we can either pick Reggie Bush or field the littany of frantic trade offers we'll get after this shocker trade. We still come out ahead.

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I'd be very happy with Bush, with the signing of Brees I'd love to see him in black and gold. I just think once someone trades up to get Leinart it will be very difficult to trade our pick and get equal value. Bush has the potential to be a special player, but I don't think anyone would be willing to trade up to get him. So, what I'm saying is if the Texans do trade down, we're picking at #2, which I'm fine with.

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LivnaLieTimay it is tricky. i think houston and us are not dead set on one player. both probably want the bpa a few notches lower with addition of a few draft picks. it is more likely a trade for houston's pick would be before the draft since that is a sure thing, no one in front. ours is more likely on draft day unless overwhelmed with a package deal. BUT houston has to worry about where they drop to if trading first. if they want mario (or d'brick i think more likely) then NO is in front of them to snap the guy up. also, say if TN or NYJ moved to #1 with leinart as the target... woohoo, we can take bush or peddle him down below to 5-6-7 GB-SF-OAK. so in a wacky kinda way i think we are in the driver's seat and have more if not better options than HOU. too crazy?

I have never been so sure in my life that a team is going to take a player #1 as I am about the Texans taking Reggie Bush. If anyone is trading up to number 1 it is to get Bush not Leinart. We hold the key to this draft at number 2 due to the fact that Bush is rated so much higher than anyone else in this draft. The Titans or Jets will deal. Personally I think we should get two number 1's for this deal. Much like the Giants did when they got Eli from San Diego and had to give up a 1st the following year.

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Exactly. We are still in the driver's seat, just like all the experts are saying. I think GB, SF, or Oakland would isht their pants if Houston didn't draft Reggie Bush. We would definitely get more offers, because ANY team in the league could use Bush.

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I'm just throwing out something for everyone to think about. Trading down isn't going to be as easy as you guys think. All the teams that Gold and LKelley are naming have top 7 picks for a reason... they have a lot of holes just like we do!

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Fair enough. All I'm saying is that we cant really get screwed either way. We can either trade the pick, or pick Bush, D'Brick, Williams, or Hawk. Win/win situation I think. Not really our fault if no one wants to trade with us. However we ARE still at an advantage because it's still more expensive to trade to #1 than it is to #2, and it's been highly publicized that the Texans will take Bush anyways. We are the wild card, where Houston will just be trying to act like one.

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Gold, I agree with you, in the end, I don't think we can lose with the position we're in. Stay put or trade down, we're going to get a player who should be able to come in, start right away, and have an immediate impact. We're going to improve our team, but with the signing of Brees I'd like to see us trade down (unless Bush is there) to get more picks and all I'm saying is that it may not be as easy as we think.

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the eli trade was this-

move up from #4 to #1 (rivers for manning)
FOR
a 3rd rounder that year #65
and 1st and 5th in 2005

the standard for trade calculation is that a pick next year is worth one round lower than one this year. so, a #1 would be the same as a #2 this year. so essentially it would have been the same as getting the 2nd, 3rd, and 6th in the same year. that would be just about on track to what the charts show for pick value. a little cheap for NY if anything. that is probably due to the pressure of eli saying no way to SD.

so, to move one or two spots for TN or NYJ expecting a 2nd & 3rd or a 2nd this year and another 2nd 2007 would be about par. the X factor in this equation is supply and demand. whereas people knew sd was in essence stuck with eli, that is not the case here. leinart would not be stuck with the saints even if they did pick him- thus brees deal realistically being only for one or two yrs. the thought of having the franchise qb for the future you want one or two spots away has to create tremendous tension to move up: competition!

anyhoo, i can't come up with anything but good scenarios. no trade? then you have a LT for 10 years or THE monster defensive player of the draft.

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LK, or someone jumps past us to #1 and takes Leinart & we're stuck with Bush.... Boo Hoo.

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If we draft Bush what do you do with Duece?

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You don't think a 2 RB attack like KC or Denver would be a good thing? Plus Duece IS coming off an injury.

the same thing you did with Williams when drafting Deuce. kinda like trading in for a newer model. bush has great hands too btw. nice in the slot. a havoc causing player anywhere.

i'm not forwarding that as a plan but if he was handed over it would be hard to turn down.

what if TN leaps to #1, you don't think HOU (then at #3) or NYJ wouldn't want Bush? in a, heehee, new york second.

LK, exactly. It's still ANOTHER barganing chip if we DO want to trade down. We really can't lose in this year's draft. Pick up Leinart, Bush, Williams, Furguson, or Hawk and you've got a franchise player. I'm amzingly happy with the team and what they've done at this point.

Yea... but I wasn't so happy watching the how the Saints go to this position.

Yea.. but I wasn't so happy watching how the Saints got to thie position.

Going 3-13 was a killer to watch, but it's a new dawn for this team. But sadly it's better than having gone 8-8 and keeping Haslet, Brooks, and only having a mid-first round pick.

the latest from the new york post on the schaub/nyj front-

March 16, 2006 -- JACKSONVILLE - There's no need for Jet equipment manager Clay Hampton to rush getting a uniform ready for Falcon quarterback Matt Schaub.
According to multiple sources out of Atlanta, the Falcons have virtually no interest whatsoever in trading their valuable backup quarterback.
Yes, the Jets, like most teams around the league, covet Schaub. Many have inquired about acquiring him and have been turned away by Falcon management.
And yes, the Jets are desperate to find a team interested in giving them good value for their franchised and disgruntled DE John Abraham, who's visited the Falcons and wants to play there because it's close to his South Carolina roots.
The problem is this: Atlanta, while it likes Abraham, is not willing to part with Schaub nor is willing to trade its 15th overall first-round draft pick to the Jets for Abraham.
According to league sources, Atlanta is hoping the Jets bite and trade them Abraham for a second- and a third-round draft pick. That, of course, would be the same kind of highway robbery the Jets were fleeced on in the Herman Edwards fourth-round draft pick compensation.
"Who wouldn't have an interest in a player the caliber of John Abraham?" Falcon coach Jim Mora told Atlanta reporters yesterday. "The fact is that he's property of the New York Jets. We value Matt Schaub as a player and a person, and we value him as a backup to Michael Vick."
Translation: Schaub isn't going anywhere and Abraham remains stuck as a Jet for now.
Abraham visited Seattle yesterday, but the Seahawks, who reportedly want to match Minnesota's offer to transitioned guard Steve Hutchinson, might be running out of money to spend since the Hutchinson contract the Vikings devised counts some $13 million on this year's salary cap.

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i sure hope abraham doesn't land in the nfc south. has anyone heard brooks name mentioned with any team besides speculation? kinda strange that a 5 year starter that you can sign for no compensation isn't even visiting anywhere yet. those gm's must actually be watching some game tapes.