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foreverfan 03-21-2006 11:55 PM

ESPN Insider - Rumor
 
Green Bay's WR Jevon Walker wants out of Green Bay and the Packers may trade him to the Saints. Green Bay trades Javon Walker, 1st round pick #5, and 3rd round pick to Saints for our 1st round pick #2 overall.

Walker is coming off an injury but is a top notch receiver.

Insider Link:
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/featu...tures%2frumors

Walker Stats
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/playe...statsId%3d5906

saintsrule 03-22-2006 12:07 AM

RE: ESPN Insider - Rumor
 
Javon, Joe, Stallworth, and Devery; would be the best WRs tandem in the league. I don't see it happening but it might.

saintsfan1313 03-22-2006 01:03 AM

RE: ESPN Insider - Rumor
 
I think I'd poo myself if this happened, TWO smart FA's moves in one seasn....this is too much......

SaintsFan1313

LongTimeFan 03-22-2006 05:56 AM

RE: ESPN Insider - Rumor
 
I've been saying I wanted Walker since I heard him say he didn't want to play in G.B anymore, we get him and we'll be a scoring machine, 4 wide outs with Brees, can't get better than that.
I've been a LongTimeFan and now it looks like we may have something to be proud of.
I hate the Falcons.

AllSaints 03-22-2006 06:45 AM

Well it would crazy.... It would be awesome we would have like the best WRs i still think Stallworth would be #2 Walker #3 Horn #1 Brees = 40+ tds hahaha that would be awesome....

Euphoria 03-22-2006 07:29 AM

HYPE HYPE HYPE... Walker comes in could be a good thing but if you have no OL/Brick Walker or anyone won't have time to get into the Routes and get open. Brees gets injured...

wheelman 03-22-2006 07:32 AM

I would love to have Walker, but I hate this trade. Green Bay is over valuing him too much. After all, the guy is coming off of a serious leg injury.

coastalkid 03-22-2006 07:38 AM

We are starting to look like a landing pad for the injuried.

LKelley67 03-22-2006 08:04 AM

I dunno on this one. Walker has only had one successful season, is coming off injury, and has had buzz as not the consumate team player if I recall. I would rather their 2nd and 3rd rounders. A solid potential starter could be had at #36 at a position of more need than WR.

foreverfan 03-22-2006 08:05 AM

Take the Jets offer.

BlackandBlue 03-22-2006 08:07 AM

the jets made an offer?

wheelman 03-22-2006 08:12 AM

Yeah, don't you remember? We were there at Hooters when it happened.

gandhi1007 03-22-2006 08:16 AM

I say we pass on this one & wait until draft day. After Houston takes Bush, teams will be in a bidding war for the #2 spot to get Leinart. Hold off & take the best deal. Something tells me this isn't exactly a blockbuster trade for us.

saintswhodi 03-22-2006 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by gandhi1007
I say we pass on this one & wait until draft day. After Houston takes Bush, teams will be in a bidding war for the #2 spot to get Leinart. Hold off & take the best deal. Something tells me this isn't exactly a blockbuster trade for us.

I agree with holding off til draft day, but I would push them for Walker, their #1 and their #2. If they moved it to that, I would do it in a second. But, the Jets may not give us two firsts and another pick. But Joe is getting old, and Walker is a pro bowl receiver, and young. I guarantee if we had Walker and Stallworth and Joe with Brees at QB, we would become one of the most explosive units in the league. I wouldn't worry too much about how long the team has to protect, cause we would be able to make smart quick decisions and get the ball out quickly, instead of having to watch a guy stare down one player for far too long and take sacks.

wheelman 03-22-2006 08:39 AM

I still don't like that trade very much, whodi. I just can't see a wide receiver coming off of a serious leg injury being worth that much in a trade. And isn't this the last year of his contract anyway? I would go for it, however, if they threw in next year's first round pick.

deucerulez 03-22-2006 10:20 AM

How bout we throw eric moulds into this mix he is now allowed to seek a trade??

saintswhodi 03-22-2006 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by wheelman
I still don't like that trade very much, whodi. I just can't see a wide receiver coming off of a serious leg injury being worth that much in a trade. And isn't this the last year of his contract anyway? I would go for it, however, if they threw in next year's first round pick.

Steve Smith broke his ankle year before last. He came back just fine. TO broke his ankle. Came back fine. Javon is a WR who injured his ACL I believe, I don't see a current player who has had his career ended because of that yet. Edge JAmes is fine, Jamal Lewis. Hell, Daunte Culpepper tore all three ligaments in his knee, and he will be fine for the season. Walker will be fine. I think asking them to throw in next year's first as well is WAY to much. We would get Walker, a high first this year, AND a high second. We could do some damage with that.

BreesFN9 03-22-2006 11:43 AM

This trade would give us great depth at receiver! But having said that, I'm with the train of thinking that the longer we hold off, the higher the trade value is the better way to go.

The #2 pick is going to the highest bidder! ( Find a way to get AJ Hawk, and some picks! )

WHODATNJ 03-22-2006 11:53 AM

WE WOULD BE THE NEW AND IMPROVED GREATEST SHOW ON TURF!

FanNJ 03-22-2006 12:08 PM

Quote:

Daunte Culpepper tore all three ligaments in his knee, and he will be fine for the season
He'll play, but I doubt he'll be mobile.

James took two seasons to return to form, But TO Steve Smith you are on the money

spkb25 03-22-2006 01:03 PM

hey wheelman that is the same shiit ii heard about steve smith when i drafted him to my fantasy team last year. the guy will be back

foreverfan 03-22-2006 02:09 PM

Packers | Team comments on Walker's status
Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:58:22 -0800

Updating ongoing reports, Green Bay Packers general manager Ted Thompson, in a statement released by the team, said, "During his time as a Green Bay Packer, Javon Walker has been well thought of by everyone here. I like Javon, certainly as a person and as a player. That said, Javon is under contract, which he signed as a 2002 first-round draft choice. That contract is governed by the Collective Bargaining Agreement, which was negotiated between the National Football League and the National Football League Players' Association, and we expect him to honor it." Thompson added he does not anticipate the team making any concessions in the matter and they will not make any further comments on the situation. Walker, as reported, wants to be traded to another team and has threatened retiring rather than playing for Green Bay again

AllSaints 03-22-2006 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheelman
I would love to have Walker, but I hate this trade. Green Bay is over valuing him too much. After all, the guy is coming off of a serious leg injury.

Hey so what the serious leg injury we are going after the injured guysa anyway Brees,Simmons why not Javon.......lol but i would rather draft Ferguson!!

wheelman 03-22-2006 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AllSaints
Quote:

Originally Posted by wheelman
I would love to have Walker, but I hate this trade. Green Bay is over valuing him too much. After all, the guy is coming off of a serious leg injury.

Hey so what the serious leg injury we are going after the injured guysa anyway Brees,Simmons why not Javon.......lol but i would rather draft Ferguson!!

but I see a big difference between the situations of our free agent signings, and this possible trade. With Drew Brees we were in a bidding war and Anthony Simmons was picked up at a cheap price. If we trade with Green Bay, we would be in complete control. We wouldn't have to worry about competition because we are the only team with the second overall pick in the draft. At that point we can determine how much Walker is worth, not them.

Hey LK, how many points is Walker worth if we only got Green Bay's first and second round picks with him?

BrooksMustGo 03-22-2006 03:16 PM

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we would be in complete control. We wouldn't have to worry about competition because we are the only team with the second overall pick in the draft. At that point we can determine how much Walker is worth, not them.
Exactly, in this position the chart is helpful but becomes a bit like the Pirate's Code.

Aargh, They're more like ... guidelines.

I'm open to a Walker deal, but our WRs are going to get pretty crowded already. Devery is going to have a breakout year and Chase "the 6 million dollar man" Lyman is going to be a rampaging beast.

wheelman 03-22-2006 04:20 PM

Ok, I figured out the numbers. The second overall pick is worth 2600 points. If we were to get green Bay's first and second round pick this year, that would only equal 2230 points. That means Walker is worth 370 points, which equals to the 53rd pick in the draft. Of course, that 2600 point total is for an average year. In my opinion the second pick is worth more than that this year. This year I believe it will be worth a normal years No. 1 overall pick, which would be 3000 points. This would then make Walker worth 770 points, which is between the 22nd and the 23rd pick. Walker has only had one good season. And he missed last season with an injury. There is no way he is worth a first-round pick.

xan 03-22-2006 05:35 PM

Please please please please please let's not sign yet ANOTHER severely injured FA who's only got ONE year of decent play. How many injured WR's does this team need to carry anyway?

saintswhodi 03-22-2006 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FanNJ
Quote:

Daunte Culpepper tore all three ligaments in his knee, and he will be fine for the season
He'll play, but I doubt he'll be mobile.

James took two seasons to return to form, But TO Steve Smith you are on the money

James took two seasons, cause he is a running back that touched the ball 30 times a game. Walker is a WR. I would put money on him being fine this year. Another bet? lol

saintswhodi 03-22-2006 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by wheelman
Ok, I figured out the numbers. The second overall pick is worth 2600 points. If we were to get green Bay's first and second round pick this year, that would only equal 2230 points. That means Walker is worth 370 points, which equals to the 53rd pick in the draft. Of course, that 2600 point total is for an average year. In my opinion the second pick is worth more than that this year. This year I believe it will be worth a normal years No. 1 overall pick, which would be 3000 points. This would then make Walker worth 770 points, which is between the 22nd and the 23rd pick. Walker has only had one good season. And he missed last season with an injury. There is no way he is worth a first-round pick.

I said this before, that the number two pick is worth more than any value chart this year, because of the caliber of players who are there. So I agree with you there. But here's the thing: Walker was a first round pick, and is a pro bowl receiver. To you, that isn't worth the #23 pick? Donte is in the last year of his deal. What if he wants to roll like LeCharles? Then we have old Joe and Devery? We are not gonna draft another WR this year and Horn, Walker, Stallworth sounds a hell of a lot better to me than Horn, Stallworth, Hakim or Henderson, although at some point, I believe Devery will stud out. If they offerd Walker, plus their 1 and 2, i'd have to take a good long hard look at that, cause basically, you would be getting Walker plus Hawk Brick or Ngata plus Wroten or Carpenter or Hodge, plus Mangold if we don't get a center by trade or through FA, and if we do, Justice or McNeil or hell, too many possibilitiesd to mention. Maybe we make them throw in a second next year or something, but it's a trde i'd do.

wheelman 03-22-2006 05:57 PM

Culpeper was traded for a second round pick. Two years ago, TO was traded for a second round pick. Last off season, both Seattle and Indianapolis were only asking for second round picks for both Alexander and James. Those guys have had consistent success. If you're going to ask me if a wide receiver that has only had one good season, no matter how much upside he has, is worth a first or second round pick, then I'm going to have to say no. Agree to disagree

blake6900 03-22-2006 11:24 PM

I say let's not go off the deep end with wide receivers. That corps is adequate right now. If a trade comes about the Saints need to make sure there's a quality corner in there. That is unless they plan to start Stoutmire and Bullocks at safety and McKenzie and Smith at CB. Hmmm...

wejeric 03-23-2006 12:37 AM

Could be good trade.
 
We would have Walker and Stallworth on the outside and Horn and Henderson would battle for the slot receiver spot. Then draft A.J. Hawk with the 5th pick. Draft one of the top Big CBs in the 2nd round. With the 3rd round pick draft Claude Wroten(DT from LSU). If Whithworth(OT from LSU) falls to the 4th round then it's a no-brainer, we draft him. If this happens, the rest of the draft is for special teams help(speed and size).

GoldRush26 03-23-2006 06:15 AM

RE: Could be good trade.
 
Well conventional wisdom says hold off until draft day. We'll have much more bargaining power for that pick once the Saints are on the clock. Why deny ourselves that power?

I'm leery of Walker because of the injury, but it does highlight the fact that we need to be finding a successor to Horn. He's on the decline and I think last year showed that.

zachsaints52 03-23-2006 09:57 AM

Re: Could be good trade.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wejeric
We would have Walker and Stallworth on the outside and Horn and Henderson would battle for the slot receiver spot. Then draft A.J. Hawk with the 5th pick. Draft one of the top Big CBs in the 2nd round. With the 3rd round pick draft Claude Wroten(DT from LSU). If Whithworth(OT from LSU) falls to the 4th round then it's a no-brainer, we draft him. If this happens, the rest of the draft is for special teams help(speed and size).

I'd rather have Javon on slot so he can just run stright down, because LB's and S's will be on him. I like 3rd rounder, and 2nd mostly, but we need Brick.

gfanaticlsu 03-23-2006 12:56 PM

I can't believe half of you don't like this trade. We a picking up a solid player, possibly a star player depending how he comes back from injury. We are only dropping 3 picks and AJ Hawk will be available maybe even Brick. And we pick up a draft pick.

gandhi1007 03-23-2006 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by gfanaticlsu
I can't believe half of you don't like this trade. We a picking up a solid player, possibly a star player depending how he comes back from injury. We are only dropping 3 picks and AJ Hawk will be available maybe even Brick. And we get pick up a draft pick.


We'll be able to get a better deal than this on draft day. :wink:

LKelley67 03-23-2006 01:06 PM

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We a picking up a solid play, possibly a star player depending how he comes back from injury
i do not rate him as solid yet. possibly a star but hopefully anyone picked in the first two rounds has that potential. only one good year, first two were very big disappointments, last year injured, some negative buzz about his attitude also. plus, it is not a high need like OL or LB, CB. anyhoo, if i am GM gimme the first, and second with him and i'll do it, not 1st & 3rd.

saintswhodi 03-23-2006 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheelman
Culpeper was traded for a second round pick. Two years ago, TO was traded for a second round pick. Last off season, both Seattle and Indianapolis were only asking for second round picks for both Alexander and James. Those guys have had consistent success. If you're going to ask me if a wide receiver that has only had one good season, no matter how much upside he has, is worth a first or second round pick, then I'm going to have to say no. Agree to disagree

Let's look at those:

Culpepper is coming off blowing out all the ligaments in his knee. You think if they traded him after LAST YEAR when he was second to Peyton in MVP voting he would have gotten more than a second round pick? I think so.

TO was an ASS to his whole team and they were happy to get ANYTHING for him, or did you not notice he was just CUT from the Eagles for absolutely nothing.

Alexander and James are RBs, who come a dime a dozen. Good receivers do not, or did you see Indy give HUGE money to Reggie Wayne, and let Edge James walk? So yeah, agree to disagree.


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