Loomis on trading down interest
 

Hey Mickey, you might not hear from anyone if they're pretty sure you have to draft O-linemen early and often.

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I don't know if i even believe this. Even if everyone knows we intend to draft D'Brick, I would figure we'd still have trade-up suitors, namely the Jets. If they don't trade up, they can kiss Leinart goodbye because Tennessee will take him at 3. I heard on ESPN we can get the Jets #4 and #29(aquired from ATL I think) for them to trade up....which gives us perfect value. It makes sense to both parties. D'Brick, Mangold, then a LB or DT with our second rounder. Besides nothing would even happen before draft day so I wouldn't put too much into what loomis says.

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True, but those suitors would not be willing to offer as much if they know the hand we're holding. :?

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Well ok it doesn't matter. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know who we will take if no trade takes place. We don't trade with them and we still get D'Brick. It's the Jets that will lose out on the guy they want. I can live with that. Either way we come out winners. Loomis is playing this perfectly.

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If we don't make the trade, we have 1 first rounder & 1 second rounder (no 3rd). If we make this deal, we still get our guy & pick up an extra pick or two in the first two-three rounds. How does having extra picks in the 1st two-three rounds of this draft not matter? :?

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I didn't mean it didnt't matter. My point is if teams don't want to trade with us then that's their loss. We will still get the guy that we want either way. They are the ones that are losing out. Everyone knows we will not take a QB, so that's not even an issue. You think that if the Jets decide not to make the trade that they will still get Leinart??? No way...he'll go to Tenneessee. Teams trading up stand to gain much more by trading with us than we do by trading with them. A team like Arizona can get a franchise QB for years to come.

Besides, what else could Loomis do besides what he's doing?? I think he's handling it perfectly.

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I said:


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Huh? :? LOL

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He can attack free agency the way our division rivals are doing. :evil:

We have alot of needs to address. More so than what the draft can provide us with.

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So many fans seem to go through this same cycle year after year. They expect so much before free agency begins, then complain that we "aren't doing enough". I've been looking on enough teams' message boards and I can tell u that 90% of football fans don't think their teams are doing enough. I think we are doing a lot better than in recent years. The problem is that people are expecting LaVar Arrington, Julian Peterson and John Abraham to be our targets when most often these high profile targets only go to strong teams or big markets, and we are far from either. It's a case of the rich getting richer. We JUST GOT DREW BREES for goodness sakes! What other year have we gotten a bona fide free agent QB like him!? The we got Michael Bennett, a great change of pace back and the fastest RB in the NFL. He'll be better than the Steckers and Smiths we've messed around with the past couple of years. We have a need at DT, LB, and C, all which can be addressed adequately in the draft, with or without a trade with our 1st rounder. If we trade it away, even better, but we aren't in a dire situation.

People want us to use our cap space all up but the fact is we arent the Washington Redskins and we never will be. If you are looking for our team to operate like other teams do then yes you will continuosly be disappointed. There is a profound difference in philosophy between Dan Snyder and Tom Benson. So instead of hoping Benson will all of a sudden change the way he approaches FA, we have to take this as what it is. Loomis just does what he is told, like any good employee who wants to keep his job does. To say that Benson is our owner, I think we've done a bang up job in FA, or have you already forgotten that AARON BROOKS WAS OUR QB LAST SEASON. Our biggest mistake was letting Bentley walk for nothing, but they can rectify that mistake.

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And how often has that actually worked for teams in the era of free agents? Face it, the Patriots, Steelers, Colts, Jags, Bears, Seahawks, and Bengals are all teams that were built with the draft. They only use free agency as a supplement. And besides, I really don't think this team has as many glaring needs as other people like to believe.

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I don't think anyone really knows the hand we're holding. Media types keep saying we're going to draft Mario Williams. I find this non-sensical because we already have two outstanding defensive ends. I'm not sure why we would want to get back to a 3 DE for two slots situation again.

Then there's the fact that Green Bay really really wants Hawk. We certainly could use a standout linebacker.

Then of course there is Ferguson. It would really be excellent for the team to have anchor tackles for the next dozen years.

I don't think the hand is clear. I do think that the #2 pick is really valuable, especially to the Jets because they want Lienard, and possibly to Green Bay because they don't want to lose Hawk.

SFIAH

Yeah, that scares me, With all the hole that we need to feel that we would blow the draft by doing something like this!



YEAH WELL SO DO I! :shock:

One way or another I really hope we get Hawk! D'Brick would be great to but I'd prefer Hawk. D'brick with a 2 overall....Is that to early?? :?:

This is hands down the best possible scenario for this team. Getting the #4 pick will allow us to draft Brick. There's one of our biggest holes filled. Mangold should be there at #29, so that would fill our biggest hole. And then one of this list:

D'Qwell Jackson
Abdul Hodge
Thomas Howard
maybe Bobby Carpenter

will be there with the #34 pick. That would solve another one of our biggest holes. Then the only other things we would need to address on our team would be a backup center, backup QB, CB, and a DT. That's really not that bad. This scenario would rock my freakin world. I would backflip out of my window (on the 2nd floor) if this happened. :dance2:
But it's still early, and we're still the Saints....

if we can trade down and get three picks in the first 34 that is a thing of beauty

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Thanks for saying that the team does not have as many glaring needs as others think. I was beginning the believe I was the only one who thought that. First the coaches and FO determine what needs the team has, and what if anything they can do about them. Second I thought Haslett and the other coaches were suppose to have been the reason for no playoffs in a few years. If so then the players on the team are good, they just need better coaching. I hope they just do their best.

I'm partially against any scenario that doesn't land us Hawk or Ngata. I love D'Brick and all, but drafting him will just lead to he or Brown leaving in a couple of years. Ts make WAY too much money for this team to have two stars at that position. Let's not forget, we could still have Roaf, but the team didn't wanna pay him, called him old, and got rid of him. They also thought Turley could do the job at LT. And I am not even gonna play the Joe slept with his wife rumor game. It was about money, and the team saving it. LeCharles gone? About money. But a LB who could be the next Urlacher? We aren't gonna let him ride anytime soon, cause there isn't anyone on the team they think could "do the job" better at that position. Gimme Hawk. and Ngata? A beast of a DT, something w ehaven't seen since Glover left. A dominating force to take a double team, and let Smith and Grant do their thing. For some reason, the way our defense has looked the last few years, I can't get worked up over D'Bick. We need better players on D NOW. I could live with Gandy for another year and see how Brees' intelligence improves our line a little bit by itself.

Good post whodi. I think there are alot of us who are drooling over A.J. Hawk right now. I will try to be more optimistic with this FO, but this complacency has me worried. I guess that would be the result of being a Saints fan for 30 years. :D We will also have to work our way up to the lower part of the 1st round to get Mangold. I don't see him being there at #34. :(

I agree with Hawk. I think he is a guy who is going to be a beast in the NFL. He's got a nasty mean streak and loves taking people's heads off. He takes great angles and has unbelievable speed for a LB. But I'm not sold on drafting Ngata. He's had some serious knee issues, which for a big man, isn't something you want to deal with. Also, I don't think he's worthy of a top 7 pick, which is probably where we'll end up if we do end up trading down. I see what you're saying about Brick and the money, but I think that if we did draft him, it would be Brown released in a few years.

Hawk is nothing without Bobby Carpenter. He'll be just like Vilma and won't ever get off a block. :lol:

Even if that was true, i'd like to poll the number of fans who wouldn't take Jon Vilma right now to start at MLB. :P

And actually, Hawk was the leader of the OU defense, Carpenter said so himself. Carpenter is nothing without Hawk MUST be what you meant.

What a predicament....on one hand we need a good o-line....especially with Brees at the helm. We NEED to protect that shoulder. But...like I have said in many other threads.....a good D will get you places. I think we should get Hawk also. The way I see it....a tenacious D does not only produce results in the game itself....it also plays with the minds of opposing QB's and offenses. I remember the Saints-Dolphins game of '89. Marino was blitzed time and time again. Pass coverage was so tight it was ridiculous. All that pressure forced Marino to make some bad passes. You could see he was shaken. A guy like Hawk can bring that kind of intimidation to our defense. :jkool:

I almost want to flip a coin to resolve this one. :duel:

Sign Arrington, that will take care of an intimidating force on defence. Then, draft brick first and next draft Mangold. After that go after cornerbacks for the rest of the draft.

You know......if he does not get released until draft day...I think trading our spot with the packers along with J. Walker does not sound so bad anymore huh?