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jergensl 04-12-2006 02:33 PM

What if....a BIG what if....but What if?
 
what if the texans do the unthinkable and pass up on bush...what do the saints do?

draft him?
use him as trade bait?

before a bunch of you guy start jumping on me...i know this has less than a 2% chance of happening, but it is worth debating.

JimBone 04-12-2006 02:46 PM

If Reggie Bush is available at 2, then that pick immediately gains more value which is good for the Saints. If the Saints choose not to trade the pick, then take Reggie Bush without a doubt. McAllister and Bennett both have a history of injuries and Bush can be used as a slot receiver or a return man.

FanNJ 04-12-2006 02:50 PM

Float the pick for 14 minutes and if there is no adequate takers pick Bush.

fhs623 04-12-2006 03:01 PM

good question....I would pass on Bush, even if he's available. Before yall jump on me here me out....If the saints have 3 capable backs (stecker, duece, and bennett) that have had success in the NFL. I know none of them are very durable back, but you have an option to bring Antwain Smith or Anthony Thomas back as a part of a rotation. Plus we've seen with our DE's that investing too much money at one position, when we have so many other needs is not gonna do you any good...Bush is an one in a blue moon player, but is Bush going to stop Warrick Dunn on a 4th and 1 in the 4th quarter of a close game.....NO!

JimBone 04-12-2006 03:08 PM

Well, Ferguson wont stop anyone on 4th and 1 either, but he makes sense in the draft. All of our backs last year averaged less than 4 yards per carry. Bush gives you a dimension that no one on our team has, no linebacker can cover him out of the backfield, no safety can cover him in the slot. Lets face it, if our offense doesnt get better, there wont be any situations where we have to stop anyone on 4th and 1 in a close game because we wont be in any close games.

fhs623 04-12-2006 03:19 PM

you gotta point, but there are other players with Bush's versitility. Players like Michael Robinson, and Reggie Mcneal, can be that jack of all trade player.

hagan714 04-12-2006 03:23 PM

take him. no brainer. trade players for 2 and 3 asap. even think about trading out of 34 to get more picks. What an up grade for the offense.

papz 04-12-2006 03:46 PM

If I were them, I'd trade down. Bush is a luxury, not a necessity for them. Davis is a very good back and they need a LT. Smart move for them is to trade with the Jets, and take Brick while Jets find there future in Bush.

Boogro 04-12-2006 04:41 PM

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If I were them, I'd trade down. Bush is a luxury, not a necessity for them. Davis is a very good back and they need a LT. Smart move for them is to trade with the Jets, and take Brick while Jets find there future in Bush.
Yeah, but they can't trade down to #4 to get Ferguson because there's a chance we would take Brick at 2 and then they are screwed. I would take Bush

wheelman 04-12-2006 05:02 PM

They could take D'Brick with the #1 pick. Screw the "analysts". Pick who you feel is deserving of that pick.

BrooksMustGo 04-12-2006 05:08 PM

I'd vote for using Bush's value to trade down.

I'm not in favor of taking him. The guy's not Jim Brown. Unless he can line up at RT, DT, DE, or MLB, then I don't see why we take him.

papz 04-12-2006 05:12 PM

Good point Boog and wheel...

MatthewT 04-12-2006 05:27 PM

To me, it would be a no brainer. Take Bush and add him to the fold. Will probably not happen but you never know...

TheDeuce 04-12-2006 05:40 PM

Do it. He's a once-in-a-lifetime player.

saintbuck 04-12-2006 05:44 PM

As long as we dont waste a top 5 pick on a right tackle, i'll be happy.

SkipThomas 04-12-2006 05:46 PM

Bush would be extremely hard for Payton to pass on. Our new coach is an offensive minded coach and Bush brings very unique talents to the table. I bet Payton has laid awake at night thinking about all of the clever ways to utilize his speed and gamebreaking talent. Put him and the Beerman back on kickoffs and every kickoff will be sailed out of bounds just to be sure neither gets the ball. He's just that dangerous from anywhere on the field. Can you imagine a 4 reciever package that includes Horn, Stallworth, Henderson, and Bush? Who do YOU single cover? Shift him from the slot back into the backfield and run a swing pass after the others have sprinted downt he field...what LB or Safety will keep up...so many options he'd give to you...put him in the slot and then put him in motion for a direct handoff going around the corner...seal the end and OMG!!!! I wouldn't be upset to see him in a Saints uniform that's for sure.

gandhi1007 04-12-2006 06:37 PM

If Bush is there, take him! He is a once in a lifetime back. And the biggest reason: He has not had injury problems his entire career. Could you imagine a Saints RB without the injury bug?

LongTimeFan 04-12-2006 06:49 PM

Unless we could get a good trade for Bush then I say you take him but I'm sure some one would love to have him and do whatever they needed to in order to get him, Bush is worth a lot it appears.

spkb25 04-12-2006 06:54 PM

i say we take bush too. there is no reason not to. well not true we have other needs but how in the world do you allow a guy with that potential go by you.

saintswhodi 04-12-2006 08:02 PM

Take him and ransom him to the highest bidder. It would be utterly foolish to pay him a top 2 contract with the contract we just gave Deuce last year, once in a lifetime or not. Besides the fact I have seen a RB better than him in my lifetime, his name is Barry Sanders. So he is not once in a lifetime either. Once in a decade? Maybe.

AllSaints 04-12-2006 08:19 PM

Jets trade up and give us both #1's !!! and 3rd.......... then Saints draft A.J. hawk at #4 then Mangold at 29 i think then Eric Winston 2nd

CheramieIII 04-12-2006 08:22 PM

This would be the only Bush I would pass on at number two and would only draft him if I could not find someone to trade alot for him.

Jackson26 04-13-2006 12:40 AM

I mean...c'mon...what the heck is an injury bug? People get hit. It's a rough sport. Trade down and AJ Hawk or MAYBE EVEN Haloti Ngata. Our best DT is a fat tub of lard who hasn't been on the field all that much. When we take a defensive player in the first round, it'll be much easier to draft a C to replace Bentley because the only sure starter it even seems we have is Brown.

pakowitz 04-13-2006 01:25 AM

you have to take bush... if we didnt.. we would be the laughing stock of the nfl even moreso then we are right now... our franchise needs more then just a franchise qb... by us getting bush the whole world will want to watch the saints... just b/c of one player...

saintswhodi 04-13-2006 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by pakowitz
you have to take bush... if we didnt.. we would be the laughing stock of the nfl even moreso then we are right now... our franchise needs more then just a franchise qb... by us getting bush the whole world will want to watch the saints... just b/c of one player...

WHAT??? That doesn't even make sense. We would be thelaughing stock of the NFL? If Bush lands at our spot, that would mean the Texans passed on him. Would they be the laughingstock of the NFL too? So we would have two laughingstocks of the NFL. Also, what would make us look like idiots, is to take a player like Bush, after having given Deuce the biggest contract in team history last year. Tying up all that monay LONG -TERM in one position would have other teams rolling in the aisles at how dumb that would be. If we had a NEED for Bush and we passed on him, MAYBE this would have some wings. But since we have zero NEED for him, this doesn't even make sense. If we take him, it's to ransom him to the highest bidder. That's it.

gandhi1007 04-13-2006 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Jackson26
I mean...c'mon...what the heck is an injury bug?

That would pertain to a player who has been injured nearly his entire career, ala Deuce McAllister. College-stayed hurt alot. Pro-Well, you know the answer. :? What about Michael Bennett? Injury riddled pro career. Here's an example: Deuce McAllister, Michael Bennett, & LaDainian Tomlinson all went pro the same year. Which one didn't get bit by the injury bug? Here's a hint: the other two stayed injured in college too. :(

I like both McAllister & Bennett, but having a guy who runs a 4.3, has great strength & vision, & can stop & cut on a dime (while breaking DB's ankles in the process) is hard to pass up, especially when he's yet to be injured. :D I doubt seriously that Houston passes on Bush though.

saintswhodi 04-13-2006 09:29 AM

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I like both McAllister & Bennett, but having a guy who runs a 4.3, has great strength & vision, & can stop & cut on a dime (while breaking DB's ankles in the process) is hard to pass up, especially when he's yet to be injured. I doubt seriously that Houston passes on Bush though.
CBs run 4.3 in the NFL too. And some LBs come close. We'll see how well the adjustment goes.

jrmllb 04-13-2006 11:18 AM

D'Brick will go in the top 10, no doubt...If we have a shot at Bush at #2 then I say pass and get more for our pick...If we have a shot at bush at #2 then that most likely means that Houston has picked Young, D'Brick or traded out....So with VY off the board I think the Jets and Titans and maybe the Raiders or the Ravens will be blowing up Loomis' Blackberry to move up....With one of the top 3 qb's off the board and at least three teams wanting one of them I think we get a monster deal floated to us for our #2......Dare to DREAM

JimBone 04-13-2006 12:06 PM

I will say it again, if Bush is available at number 2, then the trade value for that pick increases dramatically. Someone would have to offer an a**load of picks to move up to get that pick and chances are, someone would (Green Bay). But if the offer isnt there, then the Saints take Bush and have all kinds of fun toys to play around with.

kannon315 04-13-2006 03:31 PM

I say use Bush as great leverage to make a trade!!! and use the new picks to load up on D!!! I too am not a fan of drafting a OL in the top-5 I just don't agree with that logic.

SapperSaint 04-13-2006 04:04 PM

We go for Bush. That seems like the logical thing to do....but do we have the money to pay for him? If not then we go for Hawk or D'Brick. We need defense and O-line men just as much as we need a power offense. Just my opinion.

LivnaLieTimay 04-13-2006 06:58 PM

Easy decision here, take Bush. We should have a card with his name on it just in case the Texans don't take him. If we hear any name that isn't Reggie Bush we should run that card up there before Tags can even finish his sentence. Tags: "With the first pick in the 2006 NFL draft the Houston Texans select D'Bricka... With the second pick in the draft, the New Orleans Saints have rushed their card up to the podium and have selected Reggie Bush, RB, USC."

CheramieIII 04-13-2006 10:19 PM

Bush is nothing more than a Warrick Dunn or Westbrook and I still don't think that Houston is going to pay the money for him either. OVER RATED!

Houston screws with everyone and takes Young first. Think about it, a QB that is not a perceived threat to Carr and comes in and takes over in Houston after 2 or 3 games.


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