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Giving receivers

Two other veteran receivers might be available. Detroit might listen to offers for Charles Rogers, and New Orleans would entertain offers for Donte' Stallworth.

It's a weak draft for receivers, so these two could command interest. But neither team would get much in return. Both players have been disappointments on the field and have had off-field issues. But each has the talent to be worth a flier.


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Our trash for theirs?

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id do it... charles rodgers is a much better receiver then stallworth... ive never really liked stallworth from the beginning... he was over hyped at tennessee and he is still over hyped... yea he got speed but he cant catch a cold... rodgers has just been in a bad situation with the lions and breakin his collar bone didnt help him either... a change of venue could do him some good... especially coming to an offense with brees and horn and deuce... i think he would be able to really show what hes got.. much moreso then stallworth

If we got extra picks in the deal I'd say yes....and I mean at least one first day, if not a fourth rounder at a minimum.

Yeah Stallworth has been injured, but if one WR has been more on the DL it's rogers. The production numbers alone warrant the extra picks. Then you throw in the suspension rogers had for testing positive...can't say as Stallworth isn't worth way more than a rogers at this point.

I don't like Rogers, Stallworth on the other hand I do, the Saints need him more so than ever with Brees in town, he appears to be coming around, I want him in N.O for at least one more season which would give us time to find another WR with speed which is a big plus in the NFL, Hopefully Payton can bring Stallworth to the next level.

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WTF?!?!?!?!? Rogers better than Stallworth? You sir have officially gone off the reservation. lol Rogers is the most fragile receiver in the NFL? Better than Stallworth? That's crackhead talk. I will be officially pissed if we trade Stallworth. Rogers breaking his collarbone didn't help? Try he did it in consecutive years. Don't even get me started with stats. Please submit your posting license at the door. :wink:

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wow, but true. while rogers might have more potential, it don't mean anything if you're ass cannot stay healthy. this would be dumb

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True. Not only does he have injury problems to keep him off the field, but he also has legal issues that keep him off the field. He's a bad guy, and I don't want him here.

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Donte has one little incident off the field and now he is a trouble maker get real. I say no way to trading Donte.

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I would trade Stallworth to a WR such as a J. Walker, no way I make a crazy move with Rogers..

I would be in favor of bringing Charles Rogers in. Compensation would be a tricky issue. I think it should be a conditional pick.

Stallworth hasnt proven to be anything special, quite frankly. I wouldn't say that Rogers is better than him, but both have been unremarkable for the most part,, moreso for Rogers. Sinorice Moss would be a good option in the draft to replace Stallworth if he were to fall to 34.

First of all, IMO, I don't think we have seen Stallworth at his best. Second of all, what is with all the Stallworth is worth a damn talk? The guy is doing pretty well. I don't think he's had reached his full potential yet. He's had some probs with his hamstrings, but Charles Rogers is about as durable as a piece of cheap toilet paper.

No thanks. I say keep Stallworth and tell Rogers to go to the Raiders. The Raiders love to over pay over- rated crackhead underachievers. :argue:

Actually TIGERSAINT, I was referring to Charles Rogers. He has injury problems and drug problems. I love Donte

You also have to remember that Rodgers hasn't done a thing in the NFL yet. Like everyone knows, he has been hurt and with the 2 big williams receivers, he won't get to play much in detroit. Stallworth, IMO, seemed to start breaking out last season. No, he isn't an all-star number one WR, but he deffinatley showed flashes of a solid number 2. Most WR don't breakout until 3 or 4 years in the league anyway. Donte is at that beaking point now.

Yes, typically it's 3 years, give or take. Donte is about to enter his 5th.

Um, minus two for injury, so actually he is right on track. AND, LOOK AT HIS QB!!!! Give the man a year with Brees. I guarantee there's gonna be a lot of changed attitudes on Donte. what the hell else has the dude go to do? He led the team in receiving last year, and he has busted his ass for two years to stay healthy. And EVERYONE has seen what he can do if he catches a pass in stride, and not have to dive in the dirt for balls too low or behind him. He is not a possession receiver, which is exactly what he had to turn into with Joe out and Brooks throwing the ball.

Hey, hey, hey, I'm right there with you. But if I'm going to argue a point for one receiver, don't I have to argue that same point for all receivers? I am looking forward to seeing what he can do with a QB that can actually hit him in stride, and allow him to utilize that great speed that he has, and let's face it, there aren't that many players in the NFL that are as fast as he is.

My bad. It's just driving me crazy people actually wanna trade Stallworth. That's unreal to me. He was EASILY our best receiver last year, and I thought one of the few bright spots. Yeah he drops balls, but Joe Horn led us in dropped balls the year before. So what? AND he is right in line with receivers like Chad Johnson and such in dropped balls. It's not really that big of an issue. I would just hate to lose this guy. Just when he's starting to put it together, and finally got a real QB.

I was actually referring to the idea of trading Donte. He was our best wr last year i hope it does not happen. By the way I agree with you on Rogers he has to many problems on the field and off.

donte will break out, trust me, if u ready to just give up donte then u cant be watchin the say donte as me, donte will catch more passes then horn this year and donte will take over the number 1 spot

I don't see what all this talk about trading Donte is all about... For what...A 3rd round pick? Another so called underacheiver? Pointless. No matter what he does, people will always want to go back to the dropped passes?

I doubt he had that many more then some of the receivers people get all woked out about getting in a trade for Stallworth! Face it he is a good receiver and had a good year. Why trade him? It makes NO sense to me, and if we do, then you know he'll break out and get into the Pro Bowl....then what will you say? :?:

Well the fact of the matter is WRs a lot better than Stallworth get cut and traded every year. And every year is supposed to be his so called "break out season". The problem that we Saints fans have is that we get stuck in this rut of waiting for players to 'break out", just like we were waiting for AB to break out, and now how we're gonna be waiting for Henderson to "break out" instead of looking at results, which really matters. I hardly think trading Stallworth is out of the question. If Payton wants to get rid of him I have no problem with it, whether I like him or not. It's business.

Um, Stallworth has a new QB, A MUCH MUCH MUCH better one, and new coaches working with him now. He was our best receiver last year. It would be dumb as **** to trade him now, without even giving him a chance with a consistent, proven QB and a new staff.

I also think Stallworth is going to have a good year in a west coast offense. Snagging a quick post or slant and then using his speed to run away...

I am a huge Stallworth fan, and Whodi and most of these people are right, that we haven't seen his best yet. Just because a minor incident people wanna throw him away. I say let him have a year with Brees (like Whodi says), than everyone will change their minds.

Well it's all opinion so no one is right or wrong. However you look at what he's done in his past 4 years in the league and make logical conclusions. He'll be our #2 reciever this year, so barring any injuries to Joe Horn, he won't be putting up better numbers then he did last year. I think it's a huge mistake to expect drastically better numbers from Stallworth this year just because Drew Brees is our QB. I think Horn will be good for 1,200 yards best case scenario, and Stallworth will get about 700. Stallworth is easily replaceable if the coaching staff deems him as such. They may want to get their own players in and I wouldn't have a problem with it.

I like Stallworth. I feel he was our best WR last year and he can still improve. He can fly and all we ran was two reverses with him. You put the ball in his hands and he is dangerous. Horn missed passes as much as anybody. Stallworth was actually one of the bright spots on offence last year. He had one less receiving touchown than the rest of our team combined. He had 70 catches and almost 1,000 yds receiving. That's pretty good stats and there is no way a 3rd rounder can produce that. Brees will get him the ball.

hey goldrush i disagree with your assertion that it is an opinion and therefore it can't be wrong. i have no idea where this idea has come from but let me be the first to tell you that opinions can be wrong. if someone says that the ocean isn't salt water but really fresh water well sir they are wrong. it doesn't matter if that is their opinion or not. if they say that the sun revolves around the earth then they are wrong. it doesn't matter if that is their opinion. opinions can be wrong. this idea plagues our society and i just wonder where in the hell it came from. it is a ridiculous notion. there are things that allow for an opinion one way or the other for the time being. someone could say that vince young will be a great qb in the nfl. that is for sure an opinion. on the reverse someone could say that matt will be a great qb. that is an opinion. 5 years from now though we are going to know which one of those opinions were actually fact. when that happens the other opinion becomes bs. we all have our own opinions and that is true but to say that they can't be wrong is a load of shiiit.

here is one definition of an opinion

belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge

Well if you think that someone saying the ocean isn't salt water is an opinion then you're already lost. That is totally different from anything we are arguing. The ocean is salt water, always has been salt water and always will be salt water, so anyone making a claim that it wasn't would be completely ignorant.

There is a difference between fact and opinion. If someone states something that can be definitively proven or backed up by evidence, then it is a fact. If someone makes a statement that is based on bias or speculation or something else intangible, then it is an opinion. Simple as that. Just because someone's opinion turns out to be somewhat accurate doesn't mean that it's a "fact". If I said that Ryan Leaf was going to be great and he busted does that mean that I was "lying" because I didn't tell the truth? Of course not. Greatness is subjective. Some people would say that Tom Brady is a greater QB then Dan Marino. Dan Marino is far better statistically , but Brady has the Super Bowls. No one would be right and no one would be wrong there, because it's all personal opinon and depends on what that particular person considers "great". If you don't get what i'm saying then i don't know what to tell you.

when did lying come nto it. no if you said ryan leaf would be a great qb that was you opinion at the time. obviously now though that opinion is wrong. i would agree with your argument between marino and brady as being opinion. only because it can not be proven. which was my point.

by the way with this being a team game i would tend to believe that they are both great

Well all I was trying to say in the first place is that all we are talking about anyway are opinions, and as of right now they are not right or wrong. If someone says Stallworth will be a great reciever, then what does "great" mean? If he averages 1,100 yards for the next 5 years then retires, some here would call him a great reciever. Would I....no, because I consider "greatness" to be something far more superior than that.

Exactly.
I'm tired of losing players at thier potential peak...
It's like we are a farm club for the rest of the league....
WTF?
Donte will blow up this year(with a healthy Brees)
Haters beware......ya'll are funny...so quick to dismiss progession....
truly funny........ 8)

What's funny is how everyone who won't say that Stallworth will "blow up" this year is labeled a hater. Why can't folks dissent on points of view without being labeled haters? Sad.

Simple, cause when you hate, you get labeled a hater. Clear? :P

Hell no to that trade...... Stallworth had a good season last year mostly cuz horn was out but he did good ...... still drops some but i mean who dosent on the Saints???