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As expected, the Saints continue to leak rumors of their interest in USC's Matt Leinart following their private session with the quarterback on Wednesday. This is nothing more than a ploy to generate increased trade interest from teams legitimately coveting Leinart.

The Raiders reportedly have serious interest in making a deal for the Saints' No. 2 overall selection, but Oakland is hoping to land Texas QB Vince Young, not Leinart. The Raiders might be falling for the Titans' tactic of publicizing that they prefer Young over Leinart at the No. 3 pick, which is also a likely smoke screen.

Raiders owner Al Davis is said to believe Young is a franchise-changing playmaker. Much like how Giants general manager Ernie Accorsi orchestrated the trade for Eli Manning in 2004, Davis apparently feels his window of opportunity is fleeting and sees Young as the type of difference-maker who could lead his beloved Raiders to a final Super Bowl run under his watch.

Who will pay the price?
Most NFL teams use a Trade Value Chart to make sure they're getting enough in return -- or not overpaying -- when trading draft picks. The chart assigns a point value to every pick in the seven-round draft. New Orleans' No. 2 overall pick, for example, is worth 2,600 points. In order to be a fair trade, whatever package of picks the team received in return should add up to 2,600.

For the Titans to move up to the second pick, they would need to surrender their first-round pick, No. 3 overall and worth 2,200 points, as well as their second-round pick, No. 39 overall and worth 510 points, to match the value of the Saints' pick. That would leave Tennessee with only one selection in the first three rounds, since the Titans already traded their third-round pick to Buffalo.

For the Jets to move up to No. 2, they would need to give up both of their first-round picks, No. 4 overall (worth 1,800 points) and No. 29 overall (acquired from Denver via Atlanta and worth 640 points), as well as their original third-round pick No. 71 (worth 235 points). New York would retain its second-round pick, No. 35 overall, and a compensatory pick at the end of the third round, No. 97 overall.
-- Todd McShay
According to the commonly used Trade Value Chart, such a deal could require the Raiders to part ways with their picks in each of the first three rounds (Nos. 7, 38, 69) and likely a second- or third-round pick in next year's draft. While that is a lot to give up for a player who most consider to be a developmental project, the Raiders apparently feel they can bring Young along slowly as a rookie by only using him in certain situations as a backup to recently signed QB Aaron Brooks.

The team also must feel its young offensive line will be strong enough to adequately protect the investment, and wide receivers Randy Moss and Jerry Porter possess the size, speed and playmaking potential to maximize Young's scrambling ability and mask some of his weaknesses in passing efficiency.

The Saints will certainly entertain a legitimate offer from the Raiders, but they would prefer to deal with the Titans (No. 3) or Jets (No. 4). Moving down just one or two spots would ensure the Saints can still draft N.C. State DE Mario Williams or Virginia OT D'Brickashaw Ferguson.

By trading down to the No. 7 pick, the Saints could be taking themselves out of what is considered to be the elite range of this year's class. If the Saints make such a deal, they would do so hoping Ohio State OLB A.J. Hawk falls out of the top six.

Williams appears to be the Saints' first choice if they don't deal the No. 2 pick.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft...odd&id=2415679

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Too far down to fall IMO. Hawk falling to 7??

I still can't see how everyone has us Taking Mario with our pick?

The amount of Picks and the holes that can be filled are an interesting lure?

I wonder if the Front office would bite if available?

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i don't see why not with all the holes we have to fill. 7 is still a very good draft pick and if you add in the extra picks i would be more then happy. this season is one thing but to get some guys that in three years would make us a very good team i am ok with it. it is not like getting a guy at 2 or a guy at 4 is going to make us instantly a great team. so if we can go down to 7 and add the extra picks i think that hels a lot. if we had won 7 or 8 games last year we wouldn't be picking 7. so it isn't a bad idea in my opinion anyway

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hey and think what did we do a couple of years back. i think we were like 8-8 and traded down to the 6 spot to gte mcdonalds. so going at 7 still means you get the 7th best player out of college or at least you hope

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I agree. I think we need to stay in the top five to get Hawk. Already, word is Green Bay & San Francisco are chomping at the bit to get him at #5 & #6. Hawk's the guy that can lead this defense for years. D'Brickashaw Ferguson would be a solid pick as well to fill our needs, but again we need to stay in the top five to get him.

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falling to 7 is not a bad thing... we get picks... this draft is strong and the more we land the better off we will be...

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both would be great picks and i would not be upset at all to even sit at 2 and select them but are you saying that if the raiders call and offer their first,second, and third we shouldn't take it? even possibly a pick next year. man i can't say i agree with that. i would love to pick top 5 but to be able to get that many picks and still have a top 7 i am for it. especially if you consider the raiders would be moving up to take a qb not something we are probably after. then you still have the titans possibly taking a qb. with the texans taking bush most likely that is three picks we didn't want anyway. or at ;east 2 we didn't want and one we weren't going to get. so if brick,hawk, and williams are gone that still leaves us a simmis,ngata, or huff. plus it gets us 2 2nd's and a third. you guys really wouldn't like that if it could happen. i would love it. don't get me wrong i would love hawk or brick. especially hawk. being an nd fan and watching him in that game was impressive. but i wouldn't feel bad if we had a chance to get some more picks

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and we would have the 34th and 38th pick in the second round. i would like it a lot

And here is what it would take to move from 7 to 5. If we do indeed get the raiders picks in round 1,2,3 and next years second, we could give up the number 7 pick and the 3rd we get from them to move up to 5. In that scenario, we get Hawk and we have an extra second rounder this year and next year. Do you think that is fair value?

that would be ideal. then we still have three first day picks. one first and two seconds. i am not sure that moving up those two spots though is worth a third. are you sure of that worth? if it would work out that would be great too

i just checked it jim that would work as far as the points. i am not sure we could count onit but it would work. either way i would take the trade

Not bad...we move down from 2, still get our guy, and get 2 extra second rounders. Thats not to say the Packers would do it which would be another key question...but thanks for checking on the point system for me.

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1. bush
2 young -Williams
3 matt ---DBrick
4 Dbrick-Matt
5 Williams-AJ
6 Davis---Davis
7 AJ------?
Worse case VY falls, we miss out so trade down agaian for one of the left-overs Ngata, Bunkley, Huff, Justice, not bad. I hope they throw in a 1 st next year for this deal.
1, 2(38), 1(2007)= 2020 + 800= 2820
AJ, Dbrick,Davis not in a saints uniform would hurt though. But to numb the pain get 2s. Maybe denver will save us.
1,2(37)=1580
1(15), 2(34), 2(37), 2(38) plus 1(2007) for Quinn
1- Chad Greenway, Jimmy Williams
34 - Nick Mangold, Davin Joseph,
37 - Abdul Hodge, Eric Winston
38 - John McCargo, Max Jean-Gilles
food for thought

well we would get one extra 2nd and by trading the third we wouldn't have a third. we would still have three first day picks and that would be out of the first 38 picks. not to bad in my opinion. i am not sure that will happen but we can dream can't we. like i said either way i would love the trade with the raiders

hey guys, I would love to see us deal with the Raiders, but there is no way Hawk is a Saint if we make the move. It would either be Huff or Davis that is still on the board at 7. If you make the move, you might as well trade down again to stockpile more picks.

i disagree you might as well trade down again. you already secure the 34 and 38th in the second. you also add the raiders third which would be the 69th. i wouldn't take davis but huff for sure. then you stil;l have three other picks on the first day. this isn't a sprint

let's see oaklands 1, 2, 3 = 1500 + 520 + 245 = 2265 plus a 2 0r a 3 in 2007. that would gut this years draft for them. 1,2 and a 1 next year seems more likely. As for Huff I like his game but if some one wants him and we can get one of the DT or the second best of: OT, LB, CB, in the draft plus picks I would do it. Besides that would also give you a fair shot at Chad Jackson also the best WR in the draft.
Davis over Huff all day long at 7

what is a first next year worth. i am not sure but i would take that. so you get three first day picks 7,34,38. then you also get a first next year for sure. especially because if they are looking at vince or matt they aren't going to make the playoffs probably which means you probably get a top 15 next year. they would have to throw in a 4rth or 5th this year i think

they would have to give us their first this year second this year and fourth this year and then their first next year if it was worth 400- 500 . that would work

Next year first rounder are given a flat 800 pt value. 400 pts. is the flat value given to the second round picks

hagan where did you find that i have been looking for it

finally someone has been paying attention

hey pak where is that info i haven't been able to find it

man i seen it on a chart last year
and i cant find the damn link to it but i remember the first round is worth 800 pts n 2nd is worth 400 i dunno bout the rest

thanks bro

anyway... i would say if we did make the trade with the raiders then we should take davis or huff or ngata... it might not be a bad deal b/c the raiders will be pretty horrible again next year.. look at their starting QB!!! lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

see jedi master some of us are learning and i did run across it too but got click happy and lost it. if i find it i will post it