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BiggPoppaFro4 04-28-2006 10:11 PM

So how bad did the Texans screw up?
 
They say they made the pick to shore up the D....last time I checked that D was Robinson, no much past that, and now they can add williams (a maybe by many standards and lists).

Is this a smart pick for them? Does it address the issues they had, or seriously needed to handle?

Dhatboi 04-28-2006 10:21 PM

RE: So how bad did the Texans screw up?
 
no......i like williams but that was just retarted and by mid season theyll regret it

deucerulez 04-28-2006 10:23 PM

RE: So how bad did the Texans screw up?
 
They didnt screw up, they gave us the serious "hook up"

BiggPoppaFro4 04-28-2006 10:25 PM

feel the same way...guess it's just easier to say when you aren't still hoping we don't pick Williams.

at this post rate, I may get a fourth star by tomorrow!

Euphoria 04-28-2006 10:36 PM

well there were other teams that wanted him... at one even. I think they couldn't move down and the best thing to do was lock him up contract wise and pick em.

TheDeuce 04-28-2006 10:45 PM

I guess if they feel like they're defense is that bad, then it's a good decision. However, passing up on Reggie Bush without getting a trade or something just makes me scratch my head. I wouldn't have done it, but of course, I'm not on the Texans payroll. O, and I think Mario's way overrated.

Tobias-Reiper 04-28-2006 11:41 PM

I would've understood had they picked D'Brick instead of Reggie because their line is terrible, but Mario "I look so much like Peppers in uniform everyone thinks I can play like Peppers" Williams?
Poor Texans fa.. nah f*** them..

jnormand 04-28-2006 11:53 PM

The move really surprises me. It actually looks like something the Saints would do in earlier years. I think the Saints are just saying they are going to pick Bush so they can get more calls. You know they are going to wait until the last second before they choose.

But what happens with Deuce if Reggie is in the Dome? Deuce isn't going to be around for too long. I would rather keep Deuce and trade down. The Texans decided not to mess with Bush. They do have a pretty good RB now anyway.

Same with the Saints. I hope we trade down and get both of the Jets' 1st rounders plus some.

JimBone 04-29-2006 12:12 AM

The Texans in my opinion really blew it. Mario Williams was known for half a season. Reggie Bush has been in a league of his own for 3 years. But, only time will tell.

blake6900 04-29-2006 01:05 AM

Re: So how bad did the Texans screw up?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BiggPoppaFro4
They say they made the pick to shore up the D....last time I checked that D was Robinson, no much past that, and now they can add williams (a maybe by many standards and lists).

Is this a smart pick for them? Does it address the issues they had, or seriously needed to handle?

First, Bush never handled the ball more that 25 times in any game at USC so the jury's out as to his durability. Secondly, Williams is a stud that not only can play defensive end but defensive tackle as well. I'm convinced that had he been available the Saints would have snatched him up. Forget the comparisons to Peppers. Peppers doesn't weigh 295. Williams is more like Darren Howard with major speed and quickness. How do you pass on a guy that big that's that fast? I don't.

I'm just not sold on Bush. Here in California I've seen several SC games and he does make people look stupid. In fact he's got a lot of Barry Sanders moves but he's unproven as to how tough he is. And he also had Lendale White there. Quite a one-two punch. Bottom line, I'm not sure he's an every down back and if I'm not sure of that, I'm not using a first pick on him, let alone first overall. Bush is a lot like Tomlinson except he was out there on every down in college. Bush was part of a running back platoon system at SC. We don't know how many hits he can take but we do know he's gonna get hit.

My football phliosophy is simple: defense first, offense second. Almost every single successful team has started out by putting together a no-holes defense. Offense is fun to watch but ask Colts fans how far it'll get ya. It worked for the Rams...for a while but they hardly ended up a dynasty.

Euphoria 04-29-2006 01:06 AM

I can understand what they are thinking but not at one and not at the price tag....

blake6900 04-29-2006 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria
I can understand what they are thinking but not at one and not at the price tag....

The Texans are in the AFC South with the Colts, the Jaguars and the Titans. A great pass rusher against the likes of Manning, Leftwich and McNair/Young? Or a running back that might be able to help outscore Indianapolis?

They made the right decision. The only reason the talking heads on ESPN are so down on this is they've spent the past four months telling us Bush was the greatest player to ever come out of college and the Texans basically said, "Bulls---! All they can do is find fault with it. After all, everyone knew Houston was gonna pick Reggie Bush. right?

Euphoria 04-29-2006 01:17 AM

oh come on you got that right off of tv... doesn't matter who you are playing against if you don't fix your problems then what??? they have not got better with that pick, not yet. There line SUCKS... they should have traded down and snagged brick at worse. DE??? COME ON...

BreesFN9 04-29-2006 01:46 AM

David Carr right Now! :shock:

David Carr mid way through the season, :bang:

And by the end of the year. :angel:

I feel bad for the guy, they should have traded the pick and got him some protection!

blake6900 04-29-2006 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria
oh come on you got that right off of tv... doesn't matter who you are playing against if you don't fix your problems then what??? they have not got better with that pick, not yet. There line SUCKS... they should have traded down and snagged brick at worse. DE??? COME ON...

Oh, like you've never gotten information from the television or a newspaper. You think of everything all by yourself, huh, sunnyboy? Good, then you can invest a little more time in spelling and punctuation, ok?

I'm saying they fixed one of their problems. Their defense is awful. And maybe they didn't get any trade offers that were with enough value. Did you ever think of that? Probably not. Go do some homework. There's a reason why quality defensive ends get big bucks. Hell, the Falcons O-line isn't that great--Wayne Gandy,etc.--yet they basically gave up their first round pick this year to get John Abraham. Now why would they do that?

BTW, it does matter who you're playing against. You're smarter than that. so why make such an ignorant statement? Anyway you cares? They didn't draft Bush and hopefully we'll get a great offer for the second pick so we can get two quality players instead of just one. After all, the Saints need some help in a lot of places too.

Savant 04-29-2006 02:01 AM

Holy Crap. I've been gone all night. When did this happen. This is amazing. We're gonna get the hook-up like whoa.

Tobias-Reiper 04-29-2006 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blake6900
Quote:

Originally Posted by Euphoria
I can understand what they are thinking but not at one and not at the price tag....

The Texans are in the AFC South with the Colts, the Jaguars and the Titans. A great pass rusher against the likes of Manning, Leftwich and McNair/Young? Or a running back that might be able to help outscore Indianapolis?

They made the right decision. The only reason the talking heads on ESPN are so down on this is they've spent the past four months telling us Bush was the greatest player to ever come out of college and the Texans basically said, "Bulls---! All they can do is find fault with it. After all, everyone knew Houston was gonna pick Reggie Bush. right?

whoa there... a "great" pass rusher"? Who's great? Williams? The guy rarely showed up on games against good teams. He got the bulk of his stats playing against borderline 1-AA teams. And because of this, no one outside NC ever iheard of him before the combine. Heck, I'm in NC and never heard of the guy before the combine.

Outside of Bush, the right pick for the Texans would've been D'Brick. That's THE need in Houston, o-line.

Euphoria 04-29-2006 02:05 AM

Hey dude, what gives or bordeline insult... I merely call your so called quotes into question, after all I guess if I wanted an opinion to you I would have to give you one. You quoted me first there bub. In the offseason you aren't playing against anyone excpet yourself but you do that more than most I am sure. I am all for trading down my friend... Bush alone doesn't make us a playoff contender we still have to play the games. As bad as they played a DE isn't going to help them at all... its very obvious that when your line sucks, you aren't going to move the ball. If you don't move the ball, your D is going to be on the field a lot and you can only hold a good team down for so long... so the common sense here would lead you to believe that lets work on the OL if anywheres... hmmm.

blake6900 04-29-2006 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria
Hey dude, what gives or bordeline insult... I merely call your so called quotes into question, after all I guess if I wanted an opinion to you I would have to give you one. You quoted me first there bub. In the offseason you aren't playing against anyone excpet yourself but you do that more than most I am sure. I am all for trading down my friend... Bush alone doesn't make us a playoff contender we still have to play the games. As bad as they played a DE isn't going to help them at all... its very obvious that when your line sucks, you aren't going to move the ball. If you don't move the ball, your D is going to be on the field a lot and you can only hold a good team down for so long... so the common sense here would lead you to believe that lets work on the OL if anywheres... hmmm.

Look, your posts are extremely tiresome to read. So never mind. I'm sorry I even responded to you. I won't make that mistake again. BTW, there was no borderline insult. It was a definite insult. Jeeez...


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