Yes. How does a blind man know when he's done wipin' his arse.

Hey. You asked.



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He smells it tally. :puke:

It's still early... I haven't even started. Scary isn't it? :wink:

The magic 8 ball responded... no chance Tally. I don't know how that helps with the answer though.

We are still in May for goodness sakes. How do you know thse duds may not turn it around now that they REALLY have to prove themselves?!?

Um, yeah, okay. :? I thought your point was though, if a player was terrible, Payton would have gotten rid of them somehow. Those guys are terrible, and they are still here. Did you mean something else?

Again....your opinion is not law. What you say is terrible someone else might say that they are simply developing. Carney? C'mon....he used to be awesome....age has caught up to him and I'm sure Payton will stick with Hughes. Jacox and Craft....aren't those guys like in there second or third year? (Correct if I am wrong.) Colby is in the same boat. I personally feel that with the changes made.....anyone and everyone has the potential to succeed....especially if the coaching is effective. Colby is a case on his own. He has already shown the will and desire to succeed. Now all he needs is skill polishing. You make it sound like that will never happen. Its like you said earlier...he was coached by Venturi. Which...judging by your tone...you are suggesting that he had lousy teachers in the process. So why can't you stick with that and maybe realize that he is lousy cause his teachers were lousy? In fact...all those lousy players you mentioned had lousy teachers.....so why do they suck? Naturally or terrible teaching?

As you read this, whodi is madly typing.


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I doubt it... it takes more than that to ruffle his feathers. That's a tough mother to crack... well nevermind where's Billy at? :P

Ok. Hmmm.... typing madly. :wink:

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My opinion huh? Did you watch the Saints at all the last couple of years? Craft sucks, Jacox sucks, sullivan REALLY sucks, and Carney has been getting worse and worse. I am just asking you what point you are trying to make. Are you saying Payton would get rid of players if they are terrible, which is exactly what you DID say, and possibly you meant something else? And do you really believe one season can turn around a couple of years of poor teaching? And Craft is an 8 year vet, so NOW he's not gonna suck? Jacox is a 9 year vet, so NOW he is not gonna suck too? That's a lot of not sucking for players who have done nothing but suck. But hey, believe whatever you wish. You made a point, that you might not wanna continue through on, and I was just trying to determine that. Don't blow a gasket.

LOL....I think he's typing up an entire thesis on bad players and how coaching does/or does not affect their playing skills. Unfortunately...I have to step so I will catch up on his dissertation later. Peace everyone.

Your obsession with me is bordeline psychotic Carrie. I promise not to spill any pig blood on you. :twisted:

Lighten up, Francis. It was a joke.



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Sure, sure. But so we're clear, I prefer chics to follow me around with nothing to say, more than grown men on the internet. Thanks for the attention though. :?

You're my mother figure.


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So, not only do you have a problem with projection, you have an Oedipus complex. This is not convincing me you're any less psychotic. :wink:

LOL...Scratch that...I read it. All I am saying is obviously if Payton could get rid of Colby he would have but he hasn't. I think that he..like some of us see the potential in Colby. Unfortunately he has been playing with a bunch of so-so LB's which kinda worked to his favor. Now..if you say he is the best of the worst....then I say....cool...he is also the worst of the best. In short....with time.....he can (and I think will) become even better. Now...why has he kept Jacox and Craft....he probably sees something in them as well. Or....since he sees that these guys have heart as well....one can only assume that.....why get rid of someone when you may be able to help them do things differently and better? Are you telling me it is impossible for players late in their careers to eventually shine? Tell that to Chris Chandler. A journeyman forever until he gets to Atlanta...what happens......Super Bowl. And how many years was he playing before he achieved all that success? Like what 12? Anything can happen and these guys may still be able to shine. You've been given a team why get rid of people just because of film? Let them PROVE it to you. I am sure Payton would get rid of people if they were terrible....but he also seems to be the type of guy that will let you prove you really suck before he gives you the boot. Colby has exactly what Payton wants.....all the heart and mental toughness you can ask from a player. As for skill....it is now a development in progress. I'm sure he probably saw that in Craft and Jacox as well. It is cool that he will give them a chance to shine but (as I said before) if they are terrible and stay terrible regardless of what he teaches them....he'll cut them.

By the way....whodi..tally and everyone else whome I totally enjoying swapping points with....its been a blast...but I must go..I'll read responses later. peace to all and...GO SAINTS!!!

edwards edwards edwards edwards

He costs too much against the cap to cut. So, as you suggested, no option here.

The signing of Martin means he is gone come June 1st.

He was cut. Remember?

He will be cut during training camp. We have undrafted rookies better than him.

Also gone come August.

Ok, i'll just continue to disagree with your dissertation. Pretty much noone but those players can convince me that they will not continue to suck. And for the record, I never said Colby sucked, I said he would make a good special teamer, that's all. :P

But the way you speak, it's like you believe there can't be a terrible player on a team, just cause they are on the team. NFL rosters are littered with terrible players, but you gotta have 53 men suit up on sundays, so some people make it through. Just cause they are still here, does not mean someone isn't terrible, it just means there is noone less terrible out there to get. Like I told papz, we would have taken AJ Hawk if Bush would have been gone. What does that say about Colby? He damn sure would not have been starting.

So no option on Sullivan, like I said, and it's your OPINION Craft and Carney will be gone in August or training camp. Okay. the point was about players who are here NOW, but okay. Whatever. I wasn't sure about Jacox, but thank God he's gone.

In all seriousness, I actually have alot to say but have little time to say it. Unfortunately, my situation and computer time only allows me short thoughts. When my computer was up and running at home and I was able complete full thoughts and contribute to the conversations.

Until my computer woes are fixed on the homefront, I'll just have to continue to read and learn from all you and contribute only with short responses and questions. I've even written some thoughts and inquiries at home on paper only to find lack of proper time during the day persue them.

My apologies to those whose feathers I've ruffled. I'll try to be a good boy from here on out. Maybe.

Thanks a bunch to all of you for expanding my knowledge and love of the Saints - from a relatively new Saints fan.


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Craft won't be gone because the injury settlement wouldn't be worth it. If a player is out because of injury, the team has to make a deal with the player pay-wise to cut him.

We made this into a hot topic... 8) I'm pretty much said everything I needed to say and I'll end it with this.

I can see why many people doubt Colby. His inability to wrap up tackles, he over run plays, and doesn't play discipline enough to believe that he can contribute at MLB. But, I'm trying to focus on the fact he's always around the ball, he's determined and has a great work ethic, and he now has better players around him. He had 93 tackles last year while playing undisciplined. I think his tackling woes can be fixed and he's going to continue to get better... he's still very young. No one including myself knows if he'll be able to handle the load, but let's not write him off so quickly. He could surprise a lot of people. I'm pretty sure if the coaching staff didn't feel he could handle it, we would have brought in more competition for that spot.

And yes, if Hawk would have been drafted by us, he would have been handed our starting MLB position and Colby would have been our top backup. But, that's not necessarily a knock on Colby... Hawk is just that good.

I do see what you're saying though sw... but things do happen. And the fact I like to root for the underdogs, that's what I'm hoping for... Colby to succeed and excel.

NFL.com says he had 89, and only 60 were solo. :P :P :P

89 ... 93... tomato... tomaaaato. :annoy:

60 solo. They give you assists if you pass by a tackle before the refs blows the whistle. So, from 60 solo, to 138. And Mr. Glass contributing. You're on a lot of limbs right now papzy. :poke:

Look up Zach Thomas' career stats... I'll put Colby around 83 solo stops next year in the middle and around 130ish total. Doesn't look that hard to accomplish if I do say so myself. Hey I'm not the one that going to be surprised when it happens. Don't worry I'm not the type to rub it in either. :P

You mean the Zack Thomas, who came in as a rookie with 120 solo tackles, 2 fumble forces and two recoveries, and even last year, after missing two games, forced 4 fumbles and had over 100 tackles? THAT Zack Thomas? You can;t seriously be comparing Colby to him huh? Surely you jest. Zack Thomas? Colby still hasn't forced a fumble. In two years. Not one. Don't diss Zack like that please.

I'm refering to your comment on "solo" tackles (not all that other stuff) to look up his page... and it's Zach Thomas. Us two can probably make this a 100 page thread... probably would be fun but let's not. Don't be surprised... 8) But anyways... I have in the past compared Colby to Zach numerous times. Both were low round choices... hard workers... and starting NFL middle linebackers. I hardly see it as a diss to Zach.

Quit dissin Zach. :P

zach sucks

So does John Lynch!

*runs away*

HEY!! HEY!!!

What did John Lynch do to anybody??? :D

thats right... get em diva

Wow, as much as i hate to do it, i agree with whodi...or he agreed with me on the first page of this thread...either way, if there were another option other than Colby, the other option would win out. I would love to see what happened to him if we cut him...do you think any other team would even pick him up? I dont....certainly not to start for them...and the Zach Thomas comparison...CRAZY!!! Low round picks with heart who are white...thats where you draw the line.

So once you go back and read it carefully, you'd see that I wasn't comparing talent. It's very clearly stated. Nothing about it sounds crazy the least bit. You say that if there was another option other than Colby they would win out... count how many other linebackers are on this roster and then check out what free agent linebackers are still out there... cap room... yadda yadda yadda. :airguitar: Once again... all stated numerous times. Beating the dead horse...

OK...trying to patch up all the holes of a 3-13 team in one offseason is a bit much...and maybe they think Colby will be SERVICEABLE...but by no means are they expecting him to collect 130 tackles...Payton said Hawk would have been the choice had Bush gone number 1, so you see that finding a LB was top priority. I will stand firm on the fact that Colby wouldnt start for any other team in the league. I also find it hard to believe that he starts at MLB come opening day.