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saintswhodi 05-31-2006 03:08 PM

Not one Saint in Prisco's top 50 players
 
Top 50 players: Fleeting moments of glory
May 30, 2006
By Pete Prisco
CBS SportsLine.com Senior Writer
Tell Pete your opinion!





The NFL is a cruel business for its players. I've always believed that, which is why players should enjoy it while they can. It goes so fast -- their time in the spotlight is limited, the big-money years coming and going, replaced by the reality that it's over.

That becomes even more evident each summer when I sit down to do the CBS SportsLine.com list of the Top 50 players, something I've been doing the past six years.


Offseason knee surgery isn't expected to slow down Carson Palmer much. (Getty Images)
It's amazing to see the change from one year to the next. Players rise, players fall. Age impacts some, their spot taken by somebody with the vigor of youth. The injured get discarded like a worn-out pair of socks, their perch among the game's elite no longer in their grasp.

Two years ago, the No. 3 player on our list was Tennessee Titans quarterback Steve McNair. The No. 4 player was Kansas City Chiefs running back Priest Holmes.

Want to know where they are on this year's top 50? Scan it all you want. You won't find them.

Injuries and age have sent those two falling like Tom Cruise's popularity. McNair, who might play for the Baltimore Ravens, can still get it done, but he isn't as good as he was in 2004, when he was coming off a co-MVP season.

In 2003, Holmes ran for 1,420 yards and scored 27 touchdowns, earning him the high ranking in our 2004 Top 50. Since then, he has played in a total of 15 games because of injuries and has rushed for 1,343 yards the past two seasons. There's talk he might be forced to retire because of a neck injury.

That's so cruel. That's the NFL.

The flip side is the emergence of young stars, players who have found their way into the top 10, a guy like Cincinnati Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer.

In June 2004, Palmer was coming off a rookie season in which he didn't take one snap. There was no way he could be ranked anywhere close to the top 50.

Two years later, he's the fifth-ranked player in the league, despite suffering a serious knee injury last January.

One thing that hasn't changed is the top-rated player. For the third consecutive year, Colts quarterback Peyton Manning tops the list. Manning had another outstanding season in 2005, leading the Colts to the best record in the league before they choked away their chance to win a Super Bowl.

Manning remains the game's best player, on his way to becoming perhaps the game's greatest passer. He is certainly on his way to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. The reason he tops this list is simple. It's because he's the answer to this question:

If there was an open draft of all NFL players, who would be the first player taken?

Manning would top most lists.


Who is the best player in the NFL?
Tom Brady
Champ Bailey
Carson Palmer
Peyton Manning
LaDainian Tomlinson
None of these schmoes



So he stays at the top, followed closely for the second consecutive year by New England quarterback Tom Brady. They are a strong 1-2, where great quarterbacks should be. Palmer is right behind them, even with the major knee surgery. He's making progress in his rehab and might be there for the season opener.

When they say the NFL chews you up and spits you out, they aren't kidding. The rise can be slow -- McNair and Holmes are proof of that -- but the fall is usually swift.

Fame is fleeting. The NFL reminds of us of that every year, especially when it's time to rate the game's best.

1. Peyton Manning, QB, Colts: A lot of people will argue with this choice, but his remains the most important position. When he finally does win a Super Bowl, he will finally get his due.

2. Tom Brady, QB, Patriots: He had an amazing season in 2005, carrying an offense without a running attack. He is right up there with Manning, just a smidge under him in the ratings.

3. LaDainian Tomlinson, RB, Chargers: This is the game's best back and he's an MVP candidate every season. He will be forced to do more now that Drew Brees is gone. Here's hoping they don't beat him up.

4. Champ Bailey, CB, Broncos: There is no better cover corner in the league. He can take away the other team's best receiver. Don't believe the nonsense that he isn't the best at his position. And his position has a premium value to it.

5. Carson Palmer, QB, Bengals: He's coming off knee surgery, which is a concern, but he has made big strides in his recovery. He had an amazing season in 2005 and we can expect many more.

6. Walter Jones, T, Seahawks: He is the game's best offensive lineman. He dominates his opponents and plays light on his feet.

7. Randy Moss, WR, Raiders: He didn't have the type of season many expected in Oakland in 2005, but he is still the league's most explosive receiver. Just ask the opposing defensive backs.

8. Brian Urlacher, LB, Bears: After years of battling the overrated label, he finally played as well as advertised in 2005. He was the leader of that good Bears defense.

9. Chad Johnson, WR, Bengals: He talks a big game, but you have to love the fact he backs it up. This kid is good for the NFL, and he's a great player.

10. Ray Lewis, LB, Ravens: Has he slipped some? Maybe a little, but he's still among the best middle linebackers in the game. He only played six games last season. Watch how well he plays now that the Ravens are back playing the 4-3.

11. Marvin Harrison, WR, Colts: He's getting a bit up in years, but he's still a heck of a receiver. He remains Manning's go-to guy.

12. Richard Seymour, DE, Patriots: He missed time with injuries last season, and it showed up in a big way in the New England defense. He can dominate the line of scrimmage when he's on the field.

13. Julius Peppers, DE, Panthers: He started slow last season, but came on strong. He remains one of the premier pass rushers in the league.

14. Larry Johnson, RB, Chiefs: They used the word bust to describe him a year ago, and now he's a legitimate star. It's funny how things change in a year.

15. Terrell Owens, WR, Cowboys: Despite his off-field issues, he's still among the top offensive threats in the game. I'd take him on my offense any day of the week.

16. Dwight Freeney, DE, Colts: He has a unique ability to disrupt a game. The speed he has off the corner is what makes him so special. His special plays are what have him this high up.

17. Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Steelers: He made big strides in his second season, and we can expect more this season. He's just behind Carson Palmer on the quarterback pecking order for third place.

18. Clinton Portis, RB, Redskins: He looked much more comfortable in the Redskins offense last season than he did in 2004. Portis is one of the league's most explosive backs.

19. Ed Reed, S, Ravens: He missed six games in 2005 with an injury, but he's healthy again, which isn't good news for opposing QBs. Reed is the league's best safety when healthy.

20. Shaun Alexander, RB, Seahawks: He was the MVP in 2005, quieting some of his critics. Yet there is still a perception that he isn't exactly an elite back. We'll find out now that Steve Hutchinson is gone.

21. Antonio Gates, TE, Chargers: The top tight end in the league is a weapon few teams can handle. The scary thing is that he continues to get better.

22. Steve Smith, WR, Panthers: Smith moved to the elite class of receivers with an amazing 2005. He makes it look easy for a little man.

23. Troy Polamalu, S, Steelers: He became a force for the Steelers defense in 2005. He seemed to be all over the field. He does need to improve in coverage before he moves higher up this list.

24. Marcus Stroud, DT, Jaguars: He's part of the league's best tackle combination with John Henderson. Stroud battled injuries last year, yet still made it to the Pro Bowl. He is a force when healthy.

25. Tiki Barber, RB, Giants: He had an MVP-like season in 2005, but how much more does he have left? The Giants rely on him a lot.

26. Sean Taylor, S, Redskins: He is on the verge of being a superstar. He has range and he can tackle. Watch out for him in 2006.

27. Torry Holt, WR, Rams: When most lists of elite receivers are mentioned, his name isn't among the top guys. That's a mistake. He is a special player.

28. Steve Hutchinson, G, Vikings: Minnesota paid him a ton of money for a guard, but he is the best in the league at his position. He mauls the opposition.

29. Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Cardinals: He came into his own last year and expect him to get better as he matures. He has big-time skills.

30. Shaun Rogers, DT, Lions: Playing for a bad team, he doesn't get the attention some others do, but he is a power player in the middle of the Lions defense. He has to be doubled.

31. Jonathan Ogden, T, Ravens: He isn't as good as he was a few years back, but he's still one of the game's best left tackles. If only he played with a mean streak.

32. Donovan McNabb, QB, Eagles: Without a go-to receiver, he didn't play as well in 2005 as he did the year before. Injuries slowed him last season as well. This is a big season for him.

33. Orlando Pace, T, Rams: He remains one of the game's best left tackles. He can overpower an opponent, but he's getting up in years.

34. Tony Gonzalez, TE, Chiefs: This future Hall of Fame player is getting up in years, but he remains one of the league's best. He can still create problems in the middle of the field.

35. Michael Vick, QB, Falcons: Once he improves his passing, he will be higher up this list. That has to happen soon for his team to get to a Super Bowl.

36. Derrick Brooks, LB, Buccaneers: He's getting older, but he's still one of the best linebackers in the game. He's an even better person.

37. John Henderson, DT, Jaguars: Henderson played better than Stroud in 2005 and should have been in the Pro Bowl. He is a load at the point of attack.

38. Kevin Williams, DT, Vikings: He is a dominant force in the middle of the Minnesota line. He is good against the run and the pass. And he's only getting better.

39. Edgerrin James, RB, Cardinals: The Cardinals hope he has some good years left, but how many is the question. He's still a good back, but not nearly as good as some think.

40. Simeon Rice, DE, Buccaneers: He had 14 sacks last season, which shows he can still get after the passer. He remains a heck of a player in his 11th season.

41. Al Wilson, LB, Broncos: Wilson is a nasty tackler who brings a ferocious attitude to the defense. He plays the game the way it's supposed to be played.

42. Steven Jackson, RB, Rams: He wasn't used right by the previous regime, but under coach Scott Linehan look for him to put up huge numbers. This is the next star runner, which is why he is this high.

43. Shawne Merriman, LB, Chargers: He had 10 sacks as a rookie and that's just the start. This kid will be a disrupter for 10 years coming off the edge.

44. Brett Favre, QB, Packers: Is he as good as he has been in the past? No, but he didn't have a lot to work with last year. He can still be an effective quarterback.

45. Jonathan Vilma, LB, Jets: This tackling machine has quickly become a force in the middle of the Jets defense. It's too bad his team isn't that good.

46. Jason Taylor, DE, Dolphins: Taylor continues to play at a high level, getting 12 sacks in 2005. He has improved greatly as a run player, too.

47. Anquan Boldin, WR, Cardinals: Playing opposite Fitzgerald, Boldin gives the Cardinals the best one-two receiving duo in the league. He has two seasons over 100 catches in his first three. That's special.

48. Michael Strahan, DE, Giants: Now late in his career, he trimmed his body into shape and had one of his best seasons in 2005. He is still a force at his left end spot.

49. Adrian Wilson, S, Cardinals: If he were on any other team, he'd be considered among the top defensive players. If the Cardinals win this year, he'll get his due.

50. Osi Umenyiora, DE, Giants: He had 14½ sacks last season to finish second in the league. He is just now coming into his own as a player, which is scary.

Just missed: Mike Peterson, LB, Jaguars; Takeo Spikes, LB, Bills; Todd Heap, TE, Ravens; Willie Roaf, T, Chiefs; Brian Dawkins, S, Eagles; Trent Green, QB, Chiefs; Andre Johnson, WR, Texans; Hines Ward, WR, Steelers; Cadillac Williams, RB, Buccaneers; Ken Lucas, CB, Panthers.


http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9469847

wheelman 05-31-2006 03:48 PM

RE: Not one Saint in Prisco
 
Wasn't Brees in his top 30 last year?

saintswhodi 05-31-2006 03:53 PM

More than likely...................

ssmitty 05-31-2006 04:02 PM

i don't think vick should be there and i don't think manning will ever win a sb...........smitty

NOSaints 05-31-2006 04:02 PM

RE: Not one Saint in Prisco
 
I can't believe Michael Vick is in his top 50. Hines Ward definitely should of been in there

buzwa 05-31-2006 04:42 PM

Quote:

I can't believe Michael Vick is in his top 50.
I completely agree.

papz 05-31-2006 06:29 PM

None of our players are deserving... Brees is but he's coming off injury. Joe had a sub-par season last year so it's understandable he's off the list. Will Smith should be joining that list in the near future. A Charles Grant solid season would put him somewhere on that list too.

duece4pres 05-31-2006 06:41 PM

Prisco's a crackhead. Alexander isn't even in the top 20. Last years MVP. Stephen Jackson shouldn't even be in the top 100

saintswhodi 05-31-2006 07:14 PM

Brett Favre is on the list, and he threw 29 INTs last year and has been regressing for 2-3 years. Carson Palmer blew out his knee, and he made the list. Ray Lewis was hurt last year, as was Ed Reed. At least Brees shoulda been on the list.

papz 05-31-2006 08:04 PM

Yea... he should have but then again... who cares about that list. He's under-rating a lot of players on there... especially future Hall of Famer Strahan. It's just his opinion. Yea I agree with duece... Steven Jackson shouldn't even be on that list. Sean Taylor can be the best safety in this league, but as of last season and now, he isn't there yet and Wilson should be up there.

AllSaints 05-31-2006 08:48 PM

Wow thats a bad list.........................

mikesaintfan 06-01-2006 06:43 AM

no respect from the media

NOSaints 06-01-2006 11:20 AM

Well the media that speaketh with a foul tongue, especially Mr. Prisco, gets No respect from me.


:dunce: :biggun:

BlackandBlue 06-01-2006 11:40 AM

boldin > fitzgerald

GoldRush26 06-01-2006 01:35 PM

Who on our team is good enough to make that list....Donte Stallworth? lol

saintbuck 06-01-2006 01:59 PM

Is the list for this or last season, if it is for this season, as the best player to come out of the draft, Reggie should be somewhere in there.

saintswhodi 06-01-2006 02:01 PM

It's for this season.

GoldRush26 06-01-2006 02:06 PM

Everyone's list is a little messed up, and no matter what some team will be upset that their team didn't get respect. Fact is that our team doesn't deserve respect. I imagine sportwriters grew tired of picking teams like the Saints and Lions to be sleepers, only to be embarassed year in and year out by these predictions. We'll get respect when we earn it instead of waiting for sportswriters to throw us a bone.

And no rookies are on the list so Bush doesn't deserve to be on there either.

Tobias-Reiper 06-01-2006 02:43 PM

... what really surprises me, is that there's a thread devoted to a list made by Prisco.

"psst, TR, it's June, dude.."

..riiight...

...this is what happens when writers don't watch games, and make picks off ESPN highlights...

Michael Vick, Sean Taylor, not even close.
Favre? Please. Last 3-4 years, he's been making a living out of reputation and Madden's man-love for him.
.. still don't see the fascination with Owens.
.. if you are a DE, and you are among the top 50 players in the game today, you must be good against both the pass AND the run. So why is Dwight Freeney there?
STEVEN JACKSON????? WTF??!??!?

..and, to start some caca - hey, it's June - :

..you know which QB is not there, with a career 84.5 QB rating, who's been to 2 NFC championships, a SB, and has made the top-rated receiver leaguewise the past 2 seasons out of 2 different WRs, all within the last 3 years???

Yessir!!!... one Jake Delhomme.

NewMexSaint 06-01-2006 02:49 PM

I dont agree with #14 Larry Johnson, Yes hes a great player... but i could set records behind that line, even with my blazing 15 sec 40. Priest is the man over there untill he gets the boot. 1 year doesnt make the guy #14 IMHO

smyce 06-01-2006 03:06 PM

Walter Jones at #7 is a great pick. Vick shouldnt be there at all.

saintswhodi 06-01-2006 03:14 PM

He coulda threw us Brees, unless he fully expects him to regress to nothing now that he IS a Saint. Several players who don't deserve it are on there, and several coming off injury.

patdog 06-01-2006 07:29 PM

Was this list for what you did last year are what you did for your career, because if it's for last year noway Brett favre should be on the last.

GoldRush26 06-01-2006 09:47 PM

Well....I agree that there are some undeserving players on that list, but after last year I can't see how any one on our team would make it. Brett Farve gets a pass(and deservedly so). He has had many many great years....not fair to write him off because of one year. He had QB ratings of 90.4 and 92.4 in 2003 and 2004. Brees may have had a higher QB rating average over that same period, but Farve will get the nod because he's been doing it for years.

I think we will get respect if Brees is even close to how good he was in SD. He does have to prove it on the field first though. The critics will always say "But he's in New Orleans" until that happens.

Note Daunte Culpepper isn't on the list either. Brees isn't the only one they have doubts about.

saintswhodi 06-02-2006 08:26 AM

Culpepper also played like absolute crap before he got hurt last year. Brees on the other hand, didn't. It's an obvious snub cause he is a Saint.

spkb25 06-02-2006 08:47 AM

newmex i think you are way off on larry johnson. i will agree that the line is great but to say that preist is still the man until he gets the boot where have you been. larry has been given the starting job. it is his. doesn't matter if preist comes back or not. now as far as his stats from last year they are nothing short of great. first off he didn't even start the entire season. before preist got hurt they shared carries. in the first seven games he only once carried the ball for more then 20 times and only twice for more then ten times. which means that out of the first 7 games which is nearly half a season, 5 games he carried the ball less then 10 times. in the last 9 games of the season the guy had 1351 yards. thats a frigan season for most backs. he twice had over 200 yards in a game. the guy averaged over 5 yards a carry for the season. he ended the season with 1750 yards. that is without having started the entire season. he played in every game but did not have a full share of carries in 6 games last season.

Tobias-Reiper 06-02-2006 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldRush26
Well....Brett Farve gets a pass(and deservedly so). He has had many many great years....not fair to write him off because of one year. He had QB ratings of 90.4 and 92.4 in 2003 and 2004. Brees may have had a higher QB rating average over that same period, but Farve will get the nod because he's been doing it for years.
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Great stats!!! ..now, if we look at the NFC North since its inception between 2001 and 2004:
Code:

Chicago  13-3 4-12 7-9 5-11
Minnesota 5-11 6-7  9-7 8-8
Detroit  2-14 3-13 5-11 6-10

So, yeah, Favre has been doing it for years to very bad teams.
That's some tough competition!! Between 3 teams in 4 seasons they managed 2 winning seasons with combined records of 73 -116.
Yeah, the Packers went to the playoffs those years, but the only highlight is a mediocre win against the Seahawks, while the lowlights included 6 INTs in one game and the first playoff loss in GB. I know, I know, "Favre can't do it alone"... of course, when they win, it was "Favre putting the team on his shoulders" and "he can do it all".

Favre has not been doing it for years... he stopped doing it around 2000.. Madden, ESPN, et al have made a living legend out of Favre. But for the last 4-5 years, he's not been that great. Yes, he won a Super Bowl 10 years ago. Yes his staring streak is impressive. But no he's not been that good the last 3-4 years, and certainly he doesn't deserve to be in such a list.

NewMexSaint 06-02-2006 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spkb25
newmex i think you are way off on larry johnson. i will agree that the line is great but to say that preist is still the man until he gets the boot where have you been. larry has been given the starting job. it is his. doesn't matter if preist comes back or not. now as far as his stats from last year they are nothing short of great. first off he didn't even start the entire season. before preist got hurt they shared carries. in the first seven games he only once carried the ball for more then 20 times and only twice for more then ten times. which means that out of the first 7 games which is nearly half a season, 5 games he carried the ball less then 10 times. in the last 9 games of the season the guy had 1351 yards. thats a frigan season for most backs. he twice had over 200 yards in a game. the guy averaged over 5 yards a carry for the season. he ended the season with 1750 yards. that is without having started the entire season. he played in every game but did not have a full share of carries in 6 games last season.

Your allowed to have your opn. thats whats great about the USA. I just think the system was already in place, the line is great, and thats my final story and im sticking to it


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