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Where exactly did he say he would be happy? He said, and I quote, "he could live with it." In case reality didn't show up in your mailbox, we were a 3-13 team that just got blown up. Even with the additions, players need time together to gel and form cohesive units. We totally revamped the O-line, and O-line is one of the main ingredients to winning for any football team. AND we play in the toughest, or one of the toughest, divisions in football. So even getting 6-7 wins will be difficult. Maybe we can pull a Miami where we start off slow and then build late in the season, which would be great. But expecting us to come out and win 9 and 10 games is simply a lot of kool-aid sipping, and unrealistic.
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Awwwwwwwww Come on guys, have Faith. The Saints will do much better than 7-9. I agree with the 9-7 or 10-6 figures. Just because we have been underdogs our whole lives does not mean we can't dream. And right now, with the offensive personnel we have it is time to dream. I'll even go out on a limb and predict that we will flirt with a wild card spot this year.
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Okay, some people have sipped the kool-aid, and that's fine. They come every year. I am glad we have fans that are eternally optimistic, it actually does balance the jaded ones like myself. But I think I speak for any fan not predicting playoffs that we are ALL 100% excited about this team going into the season. But those who are expecting to count success in wins and losses only are in for a rude awakening IMO. Carolina went to the NFC champ gane, and got BETTER. Atlanta, on defense, got BETTER. We have to play the Steelers and the Ravens and the Benglas, and also a MUCH improved Cowboys team. These are some of the better teams in the NFL. If we are competitive against these teams, but come up short, I think we can count that as a victory for THIS team cause we have not looked competitive recently, at least not for any sustained stretches. I am just looking for improvement, and like Tally said, seeing us headed in the right direction. Anyone hanging their hat on 9-10 wins is gonna be in for a shock. I know, I know, we also got better. We most certainly 100% hell yeah did. But we were still behind these other teams who also got better, and we have a rookie head coach. Would I like to see 9-10 wins, hell yeah, it would shock my socks off. Do I expect it, no, but I do expect us to look much imroved over the team we had become the last few seasons, and that in itself is a victory. Before Carolina went to the Superbowl, they were 1-15, then 7-9, then Superbowl. Cowboys of the early 90s, pretty much the exact same thing, except they won the Superbowl. We aren't gonna trump in of those teams in one season.
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Let me clarify my original statement. From an object standpoint, looking at our schedule and tough division and accounting for possible holdouts and injuries, I am predicting 7-9. Of course, I am hoping and would be delighted with a record better than 7-9 and especially a playoff berth. The division title is not out of reach, and neither is a Super Bowl victory. It would just be a major feat for a brand new coaching staff and a lot of new personnel to come together so quickly and reach loftier goals.
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Yes I must say I am optimistic -- but sipping kool aid is a little overboard on the negativism. I believe we can be 9-7. Yes other teams have gotten better and we have a tough schedule - but I honestly believe we have as much talent as those other teams. I really think coaching had a huge effect on our performance. Our discipline was pathetic. Penalties -- stupid mistakes etc. I am willing to go out on a limb and say with this new coaching that our talent will be much more apparent. I could be wrong but I really see a breakout year for Stallworth -- Decue and the offense. Plus I see our defense being much better. Less turnovers, penalties and a new attitude will make a huge difference.
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I'm not disagreeing with you 4ss, I am basically saying if anyone is gonna hang their hat for a successful season solely on wins and losses, then they are more than likely headed for disappointment and drinking the kool-aid. If anyone can't accept 7-9 and headed in the right direction would be GOOD for this team, then I don't think they realize how far we are actually coming from. Would 9-7 or 10-6 and the playoffs be better, HELL YEAH. But the season is not a waste if we end up 7-9, but we give several black eyes along the way to our opponents. That sets you up for winning down the road. Remember what happened Haz first year, we paid for that for the next 5 years. I'd rather they take their time and build a team that will be a consistent winner than hope we flash in season one and then burn out. Not saying Payton will allow that to happen, but there is recent history to say it could.
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Haz lacked discipline huh? That's now what they said when he first got here. The words "fiery, disciplined former player" come directly to mind. I also DISTINCTLY recall saying:
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When did I say they wouldn't? I actually said this is exactly what I want, and exactly what we should be focusing on this year, improvement. |
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