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TheGambler 12-15-2006 08:48 AM

Should we actually root for Atlanta this weekend?
 
Seattle lost, so now they are 8-6 with 5 NFC losses.............once the Saints win their 10th game, they are guaranteed a tiebreaker over Seattle. If Dallas lost to Atlanta, they would have 6 losses and 5 NFC losses. This means even in a 3-way tie situation, the Saints still get the edge over both once they hit 10 wins.

So basically, if Dallas loses, and Saints beat Washington this Sunday, the Saints will finish NO WORSE than #2 in the NFC!!!!!

Time to root for Ron Mexico.

Teechauze 12-15-2006 09:06 AM

I find it very hard to root for Atlanta in any situation. I kinda like alot of cushion between us and the Falcons anyway.
But your right. A Dallas loss just makes us a better seed in the playoffs. We've beaten Atlanta and need just one more win to clinch the title.

"to clinch the title"......man doesn't that sound good!?!??
I never imagined we'd be here this soon. At the beginning of the season I thought 6, maybe 7 wins tops.

TheGambler 12-15-2006 09:13 AM

True, it won't break my heart or anything if Atlanta lost........but it'd be cool to wrap up a first round bye this weekend. That being said, if Atlanta loses, they are one step closer to not making the playoffs, so I could live with that as well.

xan 12-15-2006 09:17 AM

A Dallas loss combined with a Saints win moves the team much closer to a 1st round bye. So, unfortunately, we must extend our good sportsmanship to wishing the best for the Falcants. Maybe they'll lose the last two games to snuff out their season. Regardless, I'd rather face the dirty birds than Dallas in the 2nd round.

Fleured 12-15-2006 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Teechauze
I find it very hard to root for Atlanta in any situation.

Absolutely. Someone has to fill the playoff seeds and why not keep ATL at home and the Falcons are arbitrarily my vote to lose any game. I used to hate San Francisco more with the ol' divisional alignments but that's not the case now.

Tobias-Reiper 12-15-2006 09:35 AM

WHAT?!?!? Root for the Vicks?
Where's B&B when we need a banning? :broccoli:

Root for your team. Right now, they don't need any help. They take care of business at home, beating the Skins and Panthers, and they stay #2. That's that.

Wanna root for someone else? Root for the Packers and Lions.

yasoon 12-15-2006 09:35 AM

This is a tough one. I'm in Atlanta and I don't know that I can handle listening to these tools if they beat Dallas.

What is best for the Saints? A Falcons win.

But...if we go 2-1 and Dallas goes 3-0, we've still got them beat for the 2 seed. One more win guarantees that we're ahead of Seattle because of their NFC record. Dallas is the only team that can pass us, even if we go 1-2.

This is really amazing. Three weeks ago, I'm looking at the 3 8-4 teams thinking the winner of our Dallas game is in a good spot, but Seattle has AZ and SF coming up. My assumption was that Seattle (getting healthy and with only the Chargers on their schedule), was primed for a stretch run. I thought we would end up the 3 or 4 seed with Seattle in the 2 hole, running the table or losing the Chargers game.

Boy, was I wrong and boy am I glad.

Screw the Falcons. I don't wanna face them a third time. Let them lose Saturday. We'll take care of our own business down the stretch. I just can't root for them...sorry. They are on the verge of a complete blow up here if they don't make the postseason.

Teechauze 12-15-2006 09:37 AM

Isn't it cool?
No matter WHO loses, it's good for us!
Man, I never thought I'd have fun as a Saint Fan!

hagan714 12-15-2006 09:45 AM

I do not want a falcons win..... I want the best teams possible to go to Chicago for the playoffs. Atlanta is not one of them. Besides we hold all the cards in the tie breakers

SaintFanInATLHELL 12-15-2006 09:50 AM

Re: Should we actually root for Atlanta this weekend?
 
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Originally Posted by TheGambler
Seattle lost, so now they are 8-6 with 5 NFC losses.............

That is correct.

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once the Saints win their 10th game, they are guaranteed a tiebreaker over Seattle.
One again correct.

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If Dallas lost to Atlanta, they would have 6 losses and 5 NFC losses.
Dallas is now a speed bump in our rearview. Atlanta is too. We are 3-0 against the two of them. They each lose any tiebreaker to the Saints.


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This means even in a 3-way tie situation, the Saints still get the edge over both once they hit 10 wins.
True in a 3 way over those guys. However a division champion would have to be determined first. As soon as the Saints win their 10th game, they win the division.
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So basically, if Dallas loses, and Saints beat Washington this Sunday, the Saints will finish NO WORSE than #2 in the NFC!!!!!
Actually there's still one team left in the scenario that could win the #2 seed: The NY Giants. If they win out they'd finish 10-6. Also to win out they'd have to beat the Saints Christmas Eve (I don't think it will happen, but I'm just describing the scenario). If Dallas loses along the way and finished 10-6 or with the Giants (or worse 9-7), the Giants win that tiebreaker with division record since to win out they'd have to beat the Eagles this weekend to finish 4-2 in the division whereas Dallas can at best finish 3-3.

So if the Giants win the division, beat the Saints (won't happen! will not happen!), and finish tied, then they could win the #2 seed.

Note this isn't true for Philly, who actually has control of their destiny in the NFC East, because if they beat both the Giants and Dallas on the road to finish the season, they'd have the tiebreaker advantage over both of them plus giving Dallas a 6th loss and the Giants a 7th. But since we beat Philly already (great drive to end the game!) we win any ties with them.

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Time to root for Ron Mexico.
Actually doesn't matter in that game. We should root for the Falcons only because Dallas has less losses, so another loss puts us closer to the crown.

The real root is for Philly to beat the Giants and put them out of their misery.

SFIAH

SaintFanInATLHELL 12-15-2006 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by yasoon
This is a tough one. I'm in Atlanta and I don't know that I can handle listening to these tools if they beat Dallas.

What is best for the Saints? A Falcons win.

Not so sure. Since the division is still in question, a Falcons loss eliminates the Falcons from the division race.
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But...if we go 2-1 and Dallas goes 3-0, we've still got them beat for the 2 seed. One more win guarantees that we're ahead of Seattle because of their NFC record. Dallas is the only team that can pass us, even if we go 1-2.
Unfortunately not true. The Giants could finish 10-6 and have the tiebreak edge over the Saints. So going 1-2 could lead to heartbreak.

I think everyone believes that because Dallas is a game up in the East they are in control. They lose each and every tiebreaker to both Philly and the Giants because of head to head and division records. Dallas is 2-3 in the division and has a loss to each of the other teams in the division. Philly is actually the team the controls their own destiny in the East because they play Dallas, have the tiebreaker edge, and unlike the others actually have 2 division games (@Dallas, @NYG) left.

The winner of this weeks NYG/Philly game has the best chance of winning the East. The odds are even more in the favor of Philly because they can actually plunk that 6th loss on the Cowboys.

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This is really amazing. Three weeks ago, I'm looking at the 3 8-4 teams thinking the winner of our Dallas game is in a good spot, but Seattle has AZ and SF coming up. My assumption was that Seattle (getting healthy and with only the Chargers on their schedule), was primed for a stretch run. I thought we would end up the 3 or 4 seed with Seattle in the 2 hole, running the table or losing the Chargers game.
Times are a changing!

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Boy, was I wrong and boy am I glad.

Screw the Falcons. I don't wanna face them a third time. Let them lose Saturday. We'll take care of our own business down the stretch. I just can't root for them...sorry. They are on the verge of a complete blow up here if they don't make the postseason.
Agreed. This upcoming game is critical for them.

SFIAH

yasoon 12-15-2006 10:19 AM

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Unfortunately not true. The Giants could finish 10-6 and have the tiebreak edge over the Saints. So going 1-2 could lead to heartbreak.
Good point. Forgot about the Giants.


As far as the Falcons catching us, I believe they have to go 3-0 and we have to go 0-3. Not sure I see that happening, but stranger things certainly have.

SaintFanInATLHELL 12-15-2006 10:22 AM

Of course there's no reason for the Saints to let up on the pedal now. We've got Big Mo' in our corner and we should ride it all the way to the playoffs. This means dispatching Washington, NYG, and especially the Carolina Panthers, who would like nothing more than to drop us a loss at the end of the season.

SFIAH

SapperSaint 12-15-2006 10:50 AM

GO ATLANTA VICKS BEAT THE DALLAS OWENS'

WVSaint 12-15-2006 11:29 AM

i for one am pulling for the cowboys.....i dont wanna see atlanta again, something about the idea of having to beat atlanta 3 times in one seasons scares me. if their receivers wouldve caught the ball in the 2nd game there might have been a different outcome. Id prefer if they didnt get the chance to redeem themselves.

JeauxW 12-15-2006 12:30 PM

I will be rooting for the Buc's, Lions & Packers in the coming weeks. As long as the Saint's players keep doing what they are doing, we are in good shape. I also think Payton's past positions with NFC East teams give us an advantage over those teams.

mikesaintfan 12-15-2006 01:31 PM

ABSOLUTLEY
I dont want to play dallas a 2nd time

daviddrake2 12-15-2006 03:15 PM

This weekend is about the ONLY time I can imagine EVER pulling for the falcons. But, I'll gladly do whatever it takes for the Boys.


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