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xan 04-20-2007 01:32 PM

We need another high draft pick WR like we need another Sullivan.

And who said that Henderson was eratic at best? Football Outsiders ranked him the highest in DVOA for 2006 (defense adjusted value over the average WR) in the league and he was rated the 17th best receiver overall. In other words, he was better than Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Marcus Colston, et al., for every down he lined up when the difficulty of the opponent was factored in. He may not have caught every ball, but he wasn't even tops on the team as far as drops. The only complaint one might have is that he missed several games because of the sprain he got running for a TD vs. the Falcons. Otherwise he might have had more of a noticeable (to whomever made that igorant assessment) impact.

You have to wonder why Brees didn't throw more Henderson's way given his production.

AllSaints 04-20-2007 01:32 PM

We have enought people at WR position I would rather us focus on the Defense in the draft than the offense maybe some people on the offense line....

papz 04-20-2007 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by xan (Post 127627)
We need another high draft pick WR like we need another Sullivan.

And who said that Henderson was eratic at best? Football Outsiders ranked him the highest in DVOA for 2006 (defense adjusted value over the average WR) in the league and he was rated the 17th best receiver overall. In other words, he was better than Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Marcus Colston, et al., for every down he lined up when the difficulty of the opponent was factored in. He may not have caught every ball, but he wasn't even tops on the team as far as drops. The only complaint one might have is that he missed several games because of the sprain he got running for a TD vs. the Falcons. Otherwise he might have had more of a noticeable (to whomever made that igorant assessment) impact.

You have to wonder why Brees didn't throw more Henderson's way given his production.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/player...e?statsId=6809

Come on xan, those stats mean crap and you know it. You're digging too deep and I'm pretty sure we all know Henderson is very inconsistent. We are Saint fans.

saintsrule 04-20-2007 03:23 PM

I think they will get the BPA, who may start or just ass depth.

xan 04-20-2007 07:08 PM

Gee, it's like you guys think I don't watch the games or even recognize how players are being utilized. Let's see how much you guys don't know:

**He started 5 of the last 6 games of the regular season and the Philly playoff game (and was inserted in the second offensive play of the Bears game) so your observation is WRONG that Coach of the Year Payton knew enough not to start him.

**Beginning with the TB game (after recovering from his injury against the falcons) he started 6 of those 9 games. In the games he did not start, only against Cincy did he have a catch (9 of them). Againts Pittsburgh no balls were thrown his way, even though he played and against NYG he had two long balls knocked down by severe winds. Games Henderson did not start were bad weather games, where the offensive gameplan did not have as much of a vertical component.

**In the last 11 games of the season in which he played, he caught nearly all the catchable passes, dropping two of the total 43 passes his way, which he caught 26 passes. Of those 43 passes, only 32 were considered "catchable".

**Most of Henderson's routes were either deep releases or fake releases. In instances where he was on a fake release, he was 3rd or 4th in the progression; usually these balls were tossed out of bounds beyond his reach.

**In the Saints' scheme, where the high percentage route is usually under 10 yards, Henderson's roll was to draw the safety away from the primary target. This usually meant running fast down field. You can't do that to a receiver every down, so Copper and Jones also filled the roll. Copper was the beneficiary of single coverage many times because he is not as fast nor considered as much of a receiving threat compared to Bush, Colston or Henderson. Copper's opportunities were much greater, but he did not produce relative.

Copper had more drops, more fumbles and more penalties while catching fewer passes for fewer yards than Henderson.

Inconsistant? get it right.

Henderson was a lethal weapon last year and will be better this year.

Bobaganoosh 04-20-2007 07:57 PM

I think the point people are trying to make is that Henderson is really good at what he does...Run deep and either catch the ball or draw the safety away from the underneath routes. he is not an over the middle target. he is not very good at releasing for underneath routes. I like Henderson. I think he had a really good year...but to say the Saints couldnt use another WR is foolish. They really need another "bigger" WR to pair with Colston when Henderson is running the deep routes. But people can blast me too because i think the Saints should take either Jarrett or Sidney Rice over any of the other WR's in the draft (aside from Johnson of course).

hagan714 04-20-2007 11:06 PM

He has a world of talent yes. But why is he the 3rd or 4th WR in the progession? Why is he running mostly deep routes or fake routes? I go along with drawing the safeties off. One thing that has been said about him is those are really the only things he can do well. He does not work in the short area very well. His ability to grasp the playbook has always been questioned. I think it was simplifed for him by the coaches.

spkb25 04-21-2007 12:00 AM

the guy did catch a couple of nice deep balls last year. i can't complain about his progress. hope he has a better year this year.


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