Lets do something fun...
 

Name your favorite players (Saints or not) at all positions. They might not be the best, but its all subjective anyways....

QB-Brett Favre
RB-Natrone Means
FB-Mike Karney
WR-Quinn Early
TE-Shannon Sharpe
OT-Willie Roaf
G-Dan "the man" Dierdorf
C-Olen Kreutz

DE-Will "the manimal" Smith
DT-Johnathan Sullivan....kidding....Manny Fernandez
OLB- LT
MLB-Zach Thomas
CB-Fred Thomas...i kid i kid....Darrell Green
S-Brian Dawkins
K-cokehead aka Janikowski
P-i like Weatherford honestly, he did a good job for a punter

HC-gotta be my boy tuna aka parcells aka our coahes protege aka beautiful

yea this is dumb but whatever its slow and im bored/still up and couldnt think of anything to write, feel free to change the subject to anything thats actually relevant.

Jonesy

I'll give my starting line-ups for active players (based on the last few seasons):

QB - Manning
RB - LDT (I refuse to call him LT, There's only one of those)
FB - Karney
WR - Ocho Cinco, Steve Smith
T - Walter Jones, Jonathan Ogden
G - Steve Hutchinson, Alan Fanaca
C - Jeff Saturday
TE - Antonio Gates

D - (4-3)

DE - Peppers, Will Smith
DT - Tommie Harris, Hollis Thomas
OLB - Demarcus Ware, Adalius Thomas
MLB - Urlacher
S - Troy Polamalu, Ed Reed
CB - Champ Bailey, DeAngelo Hall

K - Vinatieri
P - Berger (With that team, I don't plan on punting)
KR - Hester (Sorry, Reggie)

HC - Gotta go with Belichik

I gotta say, that defense would be ridiculous. Teams would average negative yards per carry.

QB - Steve Young
RB - Barry Sanders
FB - Tony Richardson
WR - Ed McCaffery, Steve Smith, Ocho Cinco
TE - Todd Heap
T- Walter Jones, Willie Roaf
G - Steve Hutchinson, Zeus Brown
C - Olin Kruetz

DE - Julius Peppers, John Abraham
DT - Marcus Stroud, John Henderson
LB - Shawne Merriman, Sam Mills/Ray Lewis, Keith Brooking
CB - Deion Sanders, Champ Bailey
S - Ed Reed, Shaun Taylor

P - Todd Sauerbrun
K - Jason Elam

Good luck trying to score on that defense.

QB = Manning
RB = L.T
FB = Neal
WR = Harrison
WR = Steve Smith
TE = Heap
T = Walter Jones, Jonathan Ogden
G = Alan Fanaca, Steve Hutchinson
c = Jeff Saturday

DE = Peppers, Freeny
DT = Marcus Stroud, Hollis Thomas
OLB = Adalius Thomas, Shawne Merriman, Ray Lewis, Zach Thomas
CB = Bailey, Law
S = Ed Reed, Troy Polama

Could you imagine if they made a dream team of current NFL players to go over season to play other counties like they did for basketball.

Yes I could, but then you would have triple digit scores every game and probably a couple of dead people too.

I gotta give Deion credit. He talked a LOOOOOOT of smack, but come sunday, he backed that stuff up. Like you said, every punt could go for 6 and QB's knew better than to throw to his side. Maybe he didn't hit like Rod Woodson, but he was a phenomenal football player.

Dream Team
 

recently joined. other topics been a lil boring lately...but this is kool.

QB- Montana (of course)
RB- Reggie Bush (I just had to)...But really Ladanian Tomlinson
FB- Iron Head (I'll convert him)...But really Tom Rathman
WR- Joe Horn, Jerry Rice (of course)
TE- Jeremy Shockey (hard nosed)
T- Willie Roaf, Orlando Pace (stabilizers)
G- Larry Allan, Steve Hutchinson (road graters)
C- Jeff Saturday (captain)

D- 3-4

DE- Bruce Smith, Reggie White (quaterbacks beware!)
DT- John Randall (my boy)
LB- Pat Swilling, Ricky Jackson, Vaughn Johnson, Sam Mills (Really LT would have to sit somebody!)

CB- Deion Sanders, Champ Bailey (shut down)
S- Ronnie Lott, Steve Atwater (receivers beware!)


I might have to make this defense on MADDEN just to watch the simulation!

oh...by the way

KR- Deion Sanders
PR- Deion Sanders

I can coach THAT team! (maybe)

and if I ever need a kicker, i'll retire!!!!

Now these are best choices I have seen so far. I can not think of a much better OL, secondary and special team players. Conrad was my all time favorite.

QB - DAN FOUTS - Need the best gun ever for this group

RB - WALTER PAYTON - 1000 yds of Sweetness

FB - JIM TAYLOR - 1000 yd of thunder

WR - PAUL WARFIELD - the truth isn’t always in the numbers

WR - JAMES LOFTON - speed and “soft hands” the true deep-threat receiver

TE - KELLEN WINSLOW - 1981, in the Chargers 41-38 overtime playoff victory over Miami says it all.

LT - BOB (BOOMER) BROWN - Meanest Tuffest ever to play

LG - GENE UPSHAW - The second best pulling guard ever

C - JIM OTTO - The anchor of truely great Raiders OL

RG - JOE DELAMIELLEURE - Best pulling guard ever just ask the juice.

RT - DAN DIERDORF - one of the best overall blocker ever

LDE - DAVID (DEACON) JONES - Specialized in quarterback "sacks", a term he invente

LDT - JOE GREENE - could dominate a game almost single-handedly

RDT - ALAN PAGE - “A defensive player should think of himself more as an aggressor, not as a defender,”

RDE - REGGIE WHITE - retired as the NFL's all-time sack leader with 198

SLB - TED HENDRICKS - He was the kind of player that could totally disrupt an offense

MLB - JACK LAMBERT - vicious tackling, great range, superior pass defense

WLB - LAWRENCE TAYLOR - ability to dominate a game with his attack style changed the outside linebacker

CB - MEL BLOUNT - rugged but clean style of play, his specialty was the “bump-and-run” pass defense. without the rule changes

With the rule changes Dione Sanders

CB - DICK (NIGHT TRAIN) LANE - One of my dads favorites. I had to watch alot of him back in the day. Light years ahead of his time.

FS - RONNIE LOTT - The definition of DB.

SS - KEN HOUSTON - 49 Ints, 898 yards. 21 fumble recoveries, 12 TDs, (nine on interceptions and one each on a punt return, a fumble return, and a blocked field goal return.)

K-Adam Vinitieri - Mr. Clutch

P-Ray Guy - defined hang time on a 60 yard punt

HC - JOHN MADDEN - He could handle this group

Admin - JIM FINKS - He is the only one to handle it all.

Walter Thomas? I know this is sick but I can't believe this guy has come and gone. Will he return? Was he sent home to get into better shape or get a glass of water. Man, I've never been so duped and I did it to myself. Woulda, coulda shoulda.

Qb | VY, Brees, or Peyton
Hb | Jim Brown or Gale Sayer
Fb | Mike Alstott
Te | Todd Heap
Wr | Chris Carter
Wr | Jerry Rice
Wr | Ocho Cinco
O-Line=JWALL!

De | Jason Talyor
De | Reggie White
Dt | Armstrong (Raiders Player a while back)
Dt | The Fridge
Lb | Lawrence Taylor
Lb | Shade (Patriots) or Rickey Jackson
Lb | Ray Lewis
Cb | Primtime
Fs | Woodson or Reed
Ss | Steve Atwater
Cb | Quentin Jammer or Jason Sehorn

Pr | Primetime
Kr | Devin Hester or Dante Hall

where are the saints?
 

I thought this was a FAVORITE player thing. Not a greatest of all time thing.

I thought I would see a few more SAINTS boys on some of yall's teams!!!!!

:handguns:

JIM TAYLOR was a saint. Got to remeber some of us are old timers. I watch all these guys play. except one but like I said my dad always made me watch any tape on the guy. I would love to see some of todays greats play some of the old timers with the old rules. The new guys would crying foul on every play. Thet would get killed. the game has gotten softer. I will come up with a list of players that are lesser players. lol

I guess I'm a youngster, but today's players would murder the old timers...even without the sophisticated playbooks. Ray Lewis? Urlacher? Reggie? Deuce? There's no debate. A guy like Julius Peppers would do whatever he wanted to Art Shell. DeMarcus Ware would make Jack Lambert look like a JV-er. Ocho Cinco would make old school secondaries look like swiss cheese. They're just too big, too strong, too fast.

Oh ye of little faith. If only you knew of what you speak. Don't go to the bank on your statement. if you never saw guys like Lambert,Ed To Tall Jones,Merlin Olsen,Jack Tatum and a few others play you might want to check them out first.

P.S. I was glad to see someome put Jim Otto on their list.

QB---Warren Moon
RB---Barry Sanders
WR---Randy Moss
TE---Shannon Sharpe
FB---Lorenzo Neal
T--- Willie Rolf
G----Larry Allen
C----LeCharles Bentley

DE---Ed Jones
DT---Joe Green
LB---Lawrence Taylor
CB---Deion Sanders
S----Ronnie Lott

So true Joesam.
Otto was a beast.
I do not see the guys today adjusting to well to being ruffed up like in the old days. Today if there is blood it makes ESPN. Back then blood was part of the field. Thats why the rules were changed, way to many perment injuries and long term side effects. They really did try to take your head off. Clothes lines and crack back blocks just to name a few. God I do miss some of those hits.
I wonder how some of the great WR today could handle the old fashion bump and run coverage.

respect
 

I gotta give yall some respect for yall appreciation and knowledge about the history of the game. I finally joined this site because I liked the knowledge that most of yall have.

About the old school Katz... I love em too! Sammy Baugh, whites shoes, Deacon Jones, too tall, Lambert, Gale Sayer's (Reggie's Clone), Jack Tatum, the list goes on. I didn't name many ol' schoolers on my list simply because my favorites or the ones that I watch the most of. Its hard to compare the different era's.
The guys back then were meaner and nastier. The guys of today or faster, and bigger (i don't know if there stronger).

But there are guys that can cross the generations. Ray Lewis would love to play that kind of physical football that they played back then. So would joey porter, Jon Runyan, and plenty more guys. And i'm sure tha Lambert, Gale Sayers, Jim Brown, and Jonny Unitas would be able to dominate in todays game.

I just respect em all!!

All yall katz put together some MEAN teams!! I just wish we could watch them play!!!!!!

REAL TALK!

sorry
 

early in tha a.m.......little buzzed. take it or leave it. I swear, I'm not biased towards the mississippi boys

QB-Brett Favre
RB- Walter Payton
FB-Lorenzo Neal
WR- Jerry Rice
TE- Shannon Sharpe
OT- jackie Slater
G-Dierdorf
C- Jim Ringo (even at 210 + lbs)

DE-Reggie White
DT- Merlin Olsen
OLB- Butkus
MLB-Lambert
CB- Deion Sanders
S-John Lynch
K- who cares? really???
P-Ray Guy.... is there any doubt??


werd. hope you love it as much as I do.

Hagan... your thoughts???

There is a big factor today that was not around in the old days and that is the money. Alot of the rule changes were made for health reasons but some (IMO more than some) of the driving force is due to all the money involved. Protect your investment. Back then the alot of the college guys who played football were passing on the chance to make more money with their degrees. They loved the game. Mind set was different. The times were ruffer. There was no political correctness and such. A mind set. I know there are players today that would love nothing more than go back to the old style and would thrive.

Size was mentioned and I wonder if alot of these big boys would survive without all the TV time outs. Just like when you played high school ball the play did not stop. I can go on and on about the rule changes and the nagative effect TV has had on the game. Not only in football but in all major sports. Changing the game for ratings never sat right with me as a fan of the games. The record books would have thousands of (*) next to records to reflect the changes. If I had my way.

When the owners change a rule think about how the change effects the game. I am a traditionalist. Even with the unies. I would love to see our throw back jerseys at the superbowl. What a statement of arrival that would make for the saints organization. Even if it was to just the jersey running out of that tunnel. They could change before kick off. God knows there is plenty of time. It is just a dream. An old dream.

All in all I love the list of players here. I put mine together to give the old school there just due and stir the s*** a bit.

Saintfan there is some serious Mississippi man love going here. nice list. You can not help it if Mississippi farm boys make good ball players. But you may, just maybe, want to do some deep self reflection about it. :p

cadilacin welcome again if I did not greet you before. Always need fresh ideas and view points.

QB-Peyton Manning (obviously great, but also goofy as hell, gotta love it)
RB-Deuce (my favorite player in the league)
FB-Lorenzo Neal
WR-Randy Moss and Wayne Chrebet (even though he ain't still playing)
TE-Desmond Clark
OT-Roaf and I used to be a huge Tony Boselli fan
G-definitely Larry Allen (how many times did he win that bench press contest in the Pro Bowl?) and Fanaca
C- LeCharles (honestly feel bad for him, he was an up and coming star)

DE-Charles Grant and Peppers (the guy is a freak, plain and simple)
DT-Warren Sapp (nasty in his prime, didn't he win an MVP?) and Grady Jackson (loved his fatness)
OLB- Joey Porter (mean as hell)
MLB- I love Ray Lewis
CB-Al Harris (always wanted to see him with MM in New Orleans, I love the double Predator look)
S-Brian Dawkins
K-Bill Gramatica (kickers are usually a joke, and there are so many funny things about this guy: hurt himself celebrating, his name is bill when his last name is gramatica and his brother's is Mar-teen, has the biggest nose in the league, etc etc)
P-Ryan Plackemeier

my boy...
 

TheDeuce...You gotta be a kool kat, and know the game of football if you can appreciate the greatness of "my boy" AL Harris. I love em too. Not as gifted as some of the top athletes at the position, but you'll be hard pressed to find a more fierce competitor at any position.

Nice list!! I also like how you got Lorenzo Neal blocking for your boy Deuce.