anyone seen this....
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtElxMaIbwc


WOW!!!!!

Whats wow about it??? he got penalty and purpose hurt someone.

IMO, that was a legal hit. He didn't lead with the helmet

NO NO... that was helmet to helmet and you could argue the point of hitting a defensless player.

I for one don't want to see Horn get hurt right at the end of his career, I hope he finishes his career healthy and returns home to retire a Saint..

It was not a deliberate illegal hit. Caldwell had possesion and the job of a safety is to do whatever it takes to get that ball out of there. He was not a poor defensless reciever. He had the ball and made a "football move" oward the endzone. I would agree with you if the ball were overthrown and Kevin still jacks him up like that. Then it would be different.

How in God's name can you guys wish bad things on players that are no longer with us? That's just plain bad. These guys gave us a lot and now you want them hurt. That's just sick!

The NFL rules clearly states that a player cannot hit another player helmet to helmet, I agree though that Caldwell did make a "football move" but a player still can't make that type of hit according to the NFL and that's why a flag was thrown..

I don't want to see this kid injure any other player, but I do want to see some big hits from Him and Harper that will make recievers and TEs alike skerred to hit the middle of the field.

I'll go one step further and say that I don't like to see any player get seriously hurt, knock the snot from their nose yes but seeing a player lay on the field for more than a minute is not something any football fan wants to see, so I thought...

That's what I was thinking..
not cool at all....

BTW..I think it was a clean hit.

well it may not have been deliberate, but it was illegal, cause he got flagged for it.

I wasn't going to touch this one, but seriously.... let's stop the nit-picking about legal or illegal and wishing bad things on other players.... I think the point of this video was for people to "oooh" and "ahhh" over a very hard and borderline bad play. I would be ticked if KK was flagged for that play as a Saint, but I'm glad to see some aggressiveness (although not smart) from our newest safety.

:handguns:

Good post, completley right. What is he supposed to do, let him catch the ball? Try to push him over from the side, possibly miss the angle, and let the guy run for a TD. There's no better way to defend it than what he did. It sucked that he got a penalty, but you can't blame him for it. That's the way it goes sometimes.

It's good to see he's not scared to get infront of someone who's running full speed.

What do you mean he stopped a huge gain... did you not see the flag??? 15 yards, personal foul. 15 yards on any play much less against the Pats is a huge give up. When you say "anyone", its to general and open a whole can of debate. I like football and love football but you can't like accept the hit if it draws a penalty or why not take a gun onto the field and shoot the QBs as soon as they recieve the hike? I mean you're taking out the QB right who cares if its illegal?

Just because a flag was thrown does not mean the play was illegal. Both players were in the air and Kevin lead with his shoulders and not his helmet. this should end that argument ONCE AND FOR ALL!

"Caldwell remained on the ground for several minutes after the hit, before getting to his feet and walking off the field. The play drew a penalty for a personal foul even though the reply showed it appeared to be a legal, but brutal hit. "

http://www.fantasyplaymakers.com/pla...n/fname/Kevin/

The Penalty is "uneccisary roughness a blow to the head"... this doesn't not have to be helmet to helmet, nor do you have to lead with the helmet. -illegal.

The second slow motion shot also clearly shows helmet to helmet contact.

He was not fined, Ted Bruschi said he thought it was legal, every form of media believed it to be an innocent and legal, although brutal, hit. I didn't post this to have a discussion on if it was right or wrong the post is to show the facts on this kid.....He has a motor and is not afraid to hit someone which a few of our DBs are known for trying to arm tackle rather than smack down too many times.

Well its posted and leaves it up for debate.

The hit clearly shows helmet to helmet and even the announcers point it out. Just because a players isn't fined doesn't make it legal... also who cares what TED? whatever... the footage shows helmet to helmet/or blow to the head.

Its an illegal hit. 15 yards and an automatic first down. Call stands.

A helmet to helmet hit gets further review and if it is seen as a deliberate ILLEGAL hit, that person is fined. That did NOT happen. Ted Bruschi is the great NE LB (Yes a defensive player for the team who's player was knocked.) That is why it makes a difference. Refs get many calls wrong (We know this. We are Saints fans.), but when the NFL gets their hands on the tape they don't get it wrong.

It looked legal to me. He lead with his shoulder and there was incidental helmet to helmet contact. Not all helmet to helmet contact is illegal. If it were they'd never finish a game because there are multiple helmet to helmet contacts on EVERY play.

The fact is that this was another of those penalties that were thrown because of what the refs thought they saw rather than what actually happened. The replay clearly shows shoulder first contact. Otherwise, the WR had both feet on the ground so you can't say he was defenseless. If it had been the Saints rather than the Patriots that was on offense the flag would likely have been picked up and the ball ruled fumbled.

AGAIN... the penalty charged is "UNECCASARY ROUGHNESS, A BLOW TO THE HEAD" It doesn't have to be helmet to helmet. Its clearly a blow to the head. -15 yards penalty!!! Is anyone watching the same footage and listening to it???

You don't have to get fined by in order for the hit to be legal or not... you don't get fined for being offsides.

offsides is also not an ILLEGAL HIT! The argument is done. Watch the footage and enjoy

I will not give your the privlege of ending a discussion. The penalty was enforced and never retracted by Officials. Personal Foul for uneccesaray roughness by blow to the head, is not good football. Lack of class to celebrate hits that are illegal. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE HELMET TO HELMET.

And how many holding penalties leave you ripping your hair out because the refs got it wrong, or a 5 yard facemask grab that is called 15 when it was clearly an innocent slight of hand. REFS ARE WRONG

but they didn't make a statement nor the announcers said it was a bad call... the announcers were in support of the call, so now what?

I really can't see why you are getting so defensive about this. If all you want is for someone to say "You're right, everyone who disagrees with you is wrong." Then just say so, and I am sure someone will oblige. As for me I would agree more with the NFL officials who looked over the hit for a week and deemed it a nonmalicious hit, and I would also tend to lean towards a guy playing for the OTHER team who agrees that it was NOT an illegal hit, but that is just me. I am known for leaning towards the side of truth and reason.

Man please, if he did that last year in the BLACK & GOLD against Chicago we would have praised him. So the only thing I can say is thank you, after a few games last year you can't argue that we need a lil in your face, smash mouth, physical defense, I'm all for it. Way to go K.K.

well done
 

Well Done KK!! I don't like to see any player get hurt. But I LOVE to see big hits. He did go head to head but it wasn't his intent. Caldwell did end up ok...so all is good.

But I hope KK keep drilling boys like this...WELL DONE!!

Exactly.

End result------15 yards and a first down.

Please do no not respond to this post that it was not illegal , or not a blow to the head.

IT WAS.

and so what: KK is not known as a dirty player, it was a one time incident, and he wasn't playing for the Saints at the time.
Last year he also had 8 tackles and a pick against us- no argument about that.

30-yard bomb (possibly a TD) or a 15-yard penalty, take you pick.

The way I see it....he may have hit his helmet against the reciever but it clearly shows that KK was trying to blow the guy up with his shoulder. he had his body turned when the hit occured. Its not like Kk went straight for his head. The helmet contact was incidental....his shoulder clearly knocked the wind out of that guy and well....thats the NFL.

IT WAS? I guess just because you think you're right then there's no possibility otherwise. I admit he should have gone lower, but I think the replay shows that he initiated contact with his sholder in the WR's chest - any head contact was incidental to the tackle, which happens all the time legally.

The fact that a flag was thrown only serves as an indication that someone who didn't have the benefit of slow motion thought it was an illegal hit. The refs aren't infallible. There are plenty of times a flag is not thrown yet the DB gets a fine for an illegal hit. Someone said earlier that the NFL didn't fine KK for this hit. If that's true, then maybe the NFL didn't think it was illegal either.

It was a heck of a hit. This is always going to happen, unless the reciever is totally blind sided. The last move is by the one getting hit if he sees it coming. It is called a flinch. The only thing I would lecture KK on is keeping his head up. But then again thet leads to neck injuries. It happens and like some one said he is not known as a dirty player. Besides we all yell and scream kill'em at the games.

While on the subject of big hits. Look at this following video.

http://www.play-football.net/en/tv/c...ideo.php?id=22

ouch!!!!!!

Now that was illegal.