Did the Niners prevent the Saints from being better in the 80's and 90's

lumm0x · 06-12-2007, 11:23 AM

All the 49ers did was prevent us from winning some division titles by default. We still failed to capitalize on our own playoff chances, which had nothing to do with the 49ers, other than where we seeded.

I love those games during the season where we gave the Niners some tough runs. It is too bad we fell apart in that Eagles post season game.

mjf150 · 06-12-2007, 12:39 PM

I don't think being in a different division would have helped as far as winning a Super Bowl, but I do agree that it could have made a difference in the number of division championships that we won. But I'm not even sure of the likelihood of that, because as one of the posters put it, we could have been in the NFC East instead, where the Cowboys, Redskins, and Giants won a total of 8 Superbowls during the 80's & 90's, rather than the 5 that the 49er's won. So, actually if you go by the number of SB's, we would have been worse off. And like another member said eventually we would have had to cross paths with the 49er's or whomever was great enough to beat them. On top of that, as one person put it, none of the playoff losses during that period were at the hands of the Niners, including in 1991 when we won the division title and the 49er's did not even make the playoffs.

SapperSaint · 06-12-2007, 12:51 PM

Mora biggest problem was he relyed on Morton to kick a FG way too much. Was it without a doubt that Morton would put three points on the board, sure it was, the guy was money in the bank, but when you are down by two or more touchdowns.... three points per quarter don't win 100% of ball games.

As far as the Niners thing goes....who knows. I still hate the Niners. N.O. is a hellava lot closer to the east coast than the west coast.

I think it was a conspiracy to keep us out of the hunt.

BlueDevil1978 · 06-12-2007, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by lumm0x

All the 49ers did was prevent us from winning some division titles by default. We still failed to capitalize on our own playoff chances, which had nothing to do with the 49ers, other than where we seeded.

I love those games during the season where we gave the Niners some tough runs. It is too bad we fell apart in that Eagles post season game.

I'll take the blame for that Eagles snafu in the dome. I was concentrating so hard to make sure the boys would win. They were up at half-time, so I got up to go to the bathroom / concession stand. Bad mistake - I shouldn't have broken my concentration. By the time I got back to my seat in the lower plaza, Hebert had already thrown those interceptions! I'm sorry everyone.

But seriously, I agree -- there were some big-time battles back then with the Niners. But the Niners only prevented us from winning the West outright. It was our failure to put the game away or to capitalize when it counted that kept us from moving on in the playoffs.

BlueDevil1978 · 06-12-2007, 09:35 PM

After a few more after thoughts, I'll say this, too: No matter what NFC division the 80's - 90's Saints would have been in back in those days, it would have been difficult, especially with their propensity to not put the game away or to capitalize when it counted and with the strength of the NFC back then.

In actuallity, the only time that I've ever seen a true lack of competition in a division actually keep a bad team dominant is going on right now: the NFC North. The Bears are a joke and have my vote as the worst NFL/NFC champion ever.

hagan714 · 06-13-2007, 06:37 AM

We had a defense but the offense was so-so. That was our problem plus you had mora and his love affair with old cotton top, what was his name? the OC. Carl Smith? I still say it was a little too homo to make it to the promise land. Still have not forgiving Mora for gutting the defensive coaching staff for him. Our loose was the Panthers gain. Coaches and players.
cut it off here i have to go bang my head against wall one more time

06-12-2007, 12:39 PM	#2
mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 771	I don't think being in a different division would have helped as far as winning a Super Bowl, but I do agree that it could have made a difference in the number of division championships that we won. But I'm not even sure of the likelihood of that, because as one of the posters put it, we could have been in the NFC East instead, where the Cowboys, Redskins, and Giants won a total of 8 Superbowls during the 80's & 90's, rather than the 5 that the 49er's won. So, actually if you go by the number of SB's, we would have been worse off. And like another member said eventually we would have had to cross paths with the 49er's or whomever was great enough to beat them. On top of that, as one person put it, none of the playoff losses during that period were at the hands of the Niners, including in 1991 when we won the division title and the 49er's did not even make the playoffs.
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06-12-2007, 12:51 PM	#3
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Mora biggest problem was he relyed on Morton to kick a FG way too much. Was it without a doubt that Morton would put three points on the board, sure it was, the guy was money in the bank, but when you are down by two or more touchdowns.... three points per quarter don't win 100% of ball games. As far as the Niners thing goes....who knows. I still hate the Niners. N.O. is a hellava lot closer to the east coast than the west coast. I think it was a conspiracy to keep us out of the hunt.
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06-12-2007, 09:29 PM	#4
BlueDevil1978 Linebacker Forever Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Picayune, MS Posts: 130	Originally Posted by lumm0x All the 49ers did was prevent us from winning some division titles by default. We still failed to capitalize on our own playoff chances, which had nothing to do with the 49ers, other than where we seeded. I love those games during the season where we gave the Niners some tough runs. It is too bad we fell apart in that Eagles post season game. I'll take the blame for that Eagles snafu in the dome. I was concentrating so hard to make sure the boys would win. They were up at half-time, so I got up to go to the bathroom / concession stand. Bad mistake - I shouldn't have broken my concentration. By the time I got back to my seat in the lower plaza, Hebert had already thrown those interceptions! I'm sorry everyone. But seriously, I agree -- there were some big-time battles back then with the Niners. But the Niners only prevented us from winning the West outright. It was our failure to put the game away or to capitalize when it counted that kept us from moving on in the playoffs.
	/"What doesn't kill you makes you stronger" - Billy Ed Hatfield (Walton & Johnson) / Last edited by BlueDevil1978; 06-12-2007 at 09:35 PM..

06-12-2007, 09:35 PM	#5
BlueDevil1978 Linebacker Forever Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Picayune, MS Posts: 130	After a few more after thoughts, I'll say this, too: No matter what NFC division the 80's - 90's Saints would have been in back in those days, it would have been difficult, especially with their propensity to not put the game away or to capitalize when it counted and with the strength of the NFC back then. In actuallity, the only time that I've ever seen a true lack of competition in a division actually keep a bad team dominant is going on right now: the NFC North. The Bears are a joke and have my vote as the worst NFL/NFC champion ever.
	/"What doesn't kill you makes you stronger" - Billy Ed Hatfield (Walton & Johnson) /

06-12-2007, 11:23 AM	#1
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	All the 49ers did was prevent us from winning some division titles by default. We still failed to capitalize on our own playoff chances, which had nothing to do with the 49ers, other than where we seeded. I love those games during the season where we gave the Niners some tough runs. It is too bad we fell apart in that Eagles post season game.

06-13-2007, 06:37 AM	#6
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	We had a defense but the offense was so-so. That was our problem plus you had mora and his love affair with old cotton top, what was his name? the OC. Carl Smith? I still say it was a little too homo to make it to the promise land. Still have not forgiving Mora for gutting the defensive coaching staff for him. Our loose was the Panthers gain. Coaches and players. cut it off here i have to go bang my head against wall one more time