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blacksaint 09-26-2007 05:28 PM

It's time for Reggie Bush to grow up
 
METAIRIE

Posted on Wed, Sep. 26, 2007
By Larry Holder


You can't watch the NFL Network, ESPN or numerous other TV stations without bumping into New Orleans Saints running back Reggie Bush and one of his 33 commercials streaming the airwaves.

The highly marketable 22-year-old mogul apparently has no problem playing the part of product spokesman. Showing support for one of the most respected Saints players in team history must not be in his Subway contract.

Bush refused numerous interview requests from Saints officials and media members Monday for comments concerning the season-ending knee injury of teammate Deuce McAllister. Even Saints officials realized how poor Bush's refusal would appear.

Fullback Mike Karney cried near the end of his interview as losing his teammate and good buddy for the second time in three seasons was more than he could handle.

Bush's "I don't want to talk" routine resounded pretty loud and clear through Karney's sadness.

It's not the first time he's been elusive from the media the past two seasons as he routinely exits the locker room. And it likely won't be the last.

It's also not the only thing Bush has ducked his teammates.

Yahoo! Sports columnist Michael Silver referenced in a column last week where Bush hosted a dinner in June for a few dozen teammates at a New Orleans seafood hot spot after a week of offseason workouts.

Bush didn't bother to show up. He at least paid the bill. I wonder how the weekly offensive linemen dinner would go if All-Pro left tackle Jammal Brown picked up the tab but found it unimportant to attend?

I can tell you from talking to those guys about their weekly feast, the absence wouldn't go over well.

Bush also circled the globe doing commercials, hanging out at the Playboy mansion and working out in SoCal using some Fre-Flo-Do nonsense as opposed to training with the rest of his teammates at the Saints' practice facility.

Saints players young and old in successful times and brutal times this season have faced the music. Cornerback Jason David constantly takes the heat for his poor play thus far and has yet to turn anyone away. Fred Thomas faced a crush of scrutiny, yet he answered the critics as openly and honestly as he could.

And at a time where McAllister could have flown completely off the handle, the veteran Saints running back publicly welcomed Bush after he fell to the team with the No. 2 pick of the 2006 NFL draft. Deuce could have made Bush feel unwelcome if he had wanted to.

He didn't.

McAllister answered every question, whether it was how he felt when the Saints drafted Bush to if he thought his days with the Saints were numbered with the drafting of Bush last year and Antonio Pittman this year.

By no means am I underestimating Bush's community work. His donations to numerous charitable causes and work to help others in the Gulf South and around the country are plentiful and I respect him for that.

But Bush turned a relatively harmless interview opportunity and a chance to show his support for his dejected teammate into a public display of disrespect to McAllister.

"It's the first time I'm 0-3," Bush said following Monday night's loss to the Tennessee Titans. "At the same time, we have 13 weeks left. This is the point where we really have to come together and come closer more than ever.

"Right now, more than ever, we need to step up and come together."

A public snub on one of the roughest days in McAllister's professional life is a fantastic start to Bush's whole coming together concept.

It's time for Reggie to grow into McAllister's shoes as the Saints' feature running back. It's also time for him to grow up.

SunHerald.com : It's time for Reggie Bush to grow up

sac-a-lait 09-26-2007 06:02 PM

Re: It's time for Reggie Bush to grow up
 
At this point Reggie Bush can't carry Deuce's shoes, much less his contributions to the team.

Ashley 09-26-2007 06:22 PM

Re: It's time for Reggie Bush to grow up
 
Im going to say it. He will never fill deuce's shoes period.

iceshack149 09-26-2007 06:31 PM

Re: It's time for Reggie Bush to grow up
 
That was depressing.
I know that he has stated a few times that he wanted the role of lead back to be his. It's yours, Reg. Time to shine.

hagan714 09-26-2007 07:51 PM

Re: It's time for Reggie Bush to grow up
 
True enough Reggie is not Duce. Duce is a local boy and understands the people. He has southern class. Bush is a west coast Hollywood boy. He and Matt are the same types. The kind of actions Bush has pulled here is pretty much ok on the opposite coast. Different ways of doing things. Am I wrong west coaster? chime in please.
Do not let the media start a division here. Sensationalism is there life and how they make there money. Till a player comes out and says this bothered them enough to not block for him, I am not jumping all over this. I will stick this under my hat till later.
Bush could learn a lot from Duce. He might find this off season not nearly as busy as last year if the play does not improve. The ball is in his court now.

Euphoria 09-26-2007 08:03 PM

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Reggie isn't great, will never be great in N.O. unless you get a line to block for his ass.

Special maybe but what does special get ya? $2 off a plate special at lunch.

Tobias-Reiper 09-26-2007 08:14 PM

Re: It's time for Reggie Bush to grow up
 
... and Mr Holder should follow his on advice.
... of course, what else can we expect from someone who's never ever played a contact sport and gets paid to belittle men any other way but in front of them.

I can barely stand to listen to sports radio or read about sports anymore, because lil' asoles like this Larry Holder.

Have any of you, ever, went thorugh a rough period, being a divorce, a death, unemployment, whathaveyou, and just didn't want to talk about it? Why is it any different with athletes? So Reggie is going to a rough spot and doesn't want to talk about it. So what? Do we really need to hear how the Saints are going to miss Deuce? Don't we all know that already?

So Karney cried. Ok. Karney cried last year at the home opener and cried during the playoff win. So the kid is very emotional. Do all Saints players need to cry also?

And this business about the dinner party: 1st, is hearsay. A columinst in Yahoo sports - those Pulitzer prize winners - referenced a column where they wrote... did you verify it was true, Holder? Or just decided to "reference" the column and didn't even bothered to check if it was true or not? And if it was true, did you attempted to learn why was it that Bush didn't attend?

As for making all those commercials and flying around the globe, does Holder realize that a lot of the companies that use Bush in their commercials are the same companies that have shelled out hundreds of thousands of dollars to help New Orleans rebuilding effort - you know, GM, Adidas, etc - and they did so to secure Reggie as a spokesperson?

No. It is just easier to act all offended and criticize someone because he didn't feel like talking.

andersen 09-26-2007 09:14 PM

Re: It's time for Reggie Bush to grow up
 
Let's all pretend that Reggie was not a Saint this year. We saw all of the hype on TV, etc. Then, our star running back blows out another knee. We make a trade/deal whatever for Reggie, get him to New Orleans. (Stay with me, #25 has not done that much for us this year). The coach makes all of these great plays for him, and we are out of our mind excited at the possibilities!
That is where we are now. Coach has 10 days or so to design new plays for Reggie (with Carney up the middle) and use Stecker as blow relief. Pierre can learn Reggie's spot at the WR, Slot and motion man.

Tony180a 09-26-2007 11:07 PM

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What ?? So Bush does not respond the way someone who was either the statistician or waterboy (maybe both...multi-tasker) thinks he should and this is news ?? The news should be that we stink on both sides of the ball and special teams. Payton's play calling have been very suspect too but thats another story. So Bush wants to be the feature back.... and this is suprising ?? WTF did we draft him for if not to develop into the feature back. Get a line that can block and this kid gives us a hell of a lot more options than most of the feature backs (that have lines that can block) in the NFL. This post is just .... lame.

FatiusJeebs 09-26-2007 11:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by andersen (Post 140280)
Let's all pretend that Reggie was not a Saint this year. We saw all of the hype on TV, etc. Then, our star running back blows out another knee. We make a trade/deal whatever for Reggie, get him to New Orleans. (Stay with me, #25 has not done that much for us this year). The coach makes all of these great plays for him, and we are out of our mind excited at the possibilities!
That is where we are now. Coach has 10 days or so to design new plays for Reggie (with Carney up the middle) and use Stecker as blow relief. Pierre can learn Reggie's spot at the WR, Slot and motion man.

Great idea!! Except...I'd flip the Reggie and Pierre part.

lewpac 09-26-2007 11:32 PM

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Hey, I'm a Cowboy fan. You don't want him........? We'll take him!!

This guy is probably the best collegiate player to come along in a couple decades. I know, I know, Heisman's and a great college career doesn't necessarily translate into a great pro career. But c'mon boys!! Talk about "Premature throwing under the bus"?!?!?!

And that post comparing Reggie Bush to Duece McCallister? WTF? News ALERT: Duece ain't going to the Hall of Fame. EVER. PERIOD!! No disrespect, but Duece is a serviceable journeyman. Not even a consistent or perennial Pro Bowler! Nice guy. Local boy. Right up there with Clinton Portis and Micheal Westbrook. But no iconic back he.

This post is the product of what I said over on the other thread. Free agency and salary cap and parity measures have some of you into "instant gratification"......OR ELSE! One decent year that's been called "the greatest Saints year ever" (10-6????) has some of you calling for your best bet's head after 3 games.
He's a kid. And this baloney about Duece being "from here" and "understanding the local folks" and all that PC bullcrap..............hey, this ain't politics or Social Studies 101. It's Professional tackle football. It makes no difference where Bush is from.
He's definitely into the "Dale Earnhardt Jr." syndrome right now. Too many commercials and social engagements, not enough football. That may be a distraction temporarily, but he'll grow out of that and commit to tackle football soon enough.
Give the kid some time..........JEEZ!!!!!

I'm glad that folks didn't give up on Emmitt Smith after 19 whole games!!!!

iceshack149 09-27-2007 02:22 AM

Re: It's time for Reggie Bush to grow up
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lewpac (Post 140303)
Hey, I'm a Cowboy fan. You don't want him........? We'll take him!!

This guy is probably the best collegiate player to come along in a couple decades. I know, I know, Heisman's and a great college career doesn't necessarily translate into a great pro career. But c'mon boys!! Talk about "Premature throwing under the bus"?!?!?!

And that post comparing Reggie Bush to Duece McCallister? WTF? News ALERT: Duece ain't going to the Hall of Fame. EVER. PERIOD!! No disrespect, but Duece is a serviceable journeyman. Not even a consistent or perennial Pro Bowler! Nice guy. Local boy. Right up there with Clinton Portis and Micheal Westbrook. But no iconic back he.

This post is the product of what I said over on the other thread. Free agency and salary cap and parity measures have some of you into "instant gratification"......OR ELSE! One decent year that's been called "the greatest Saints year ever" (10-6????) has some of you calling for your best bet's head after 3 games.
He's a kid. And this baloney about Duece being "from here" and "understanding the local folks" and all that PC bullcrap..............hey, this ain't politics or Social Studies 101. It's Professional tackle football. It makes no difference where Bush is from.
He's definitely into the "Dale Earnhardt Jr." syndrome right now. Too many commercials and social engagements, not enough football. That may be a distraction temporarily, but he'll grow out of that and commit to tackle football soon enough.
Give the kid some time..........JEEZ!!!!!

I'm glad that folks didn't give up on Emmitt Smith after 19 whole games!!!!

Wow. This is the first post that I've seen from you and welcome you to the board. I love Deuce and worry that I'll never see him play for the Saints again but you've got a great point about Bush. The kid has a lot of talent. I have faith that he will be a great running back for the Saints.

saintfan 09-27-2007 07:14 AM

Re: It's time for Reggie Bush to grow up
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lewpac (Post 140303)
Free agency and salary cap and parity measures have some of you into "instant gratification"......OR ELSE! One decent year that's been called "the greatest Saints year ever" (10-6????) has some of you calling for your best bet's head after 3 games.
He's a kid. And this baloney about Duece being "from here" and "understanding the local folks" and all that PC bullcrap..............hey, this ain't politics or Social Studies 101. It's Professional tackle football. It makes no difference where Bush is from.
I'm glad that folks didn't give up on Emmitt Smith after 19 whole games!!!!

You're right lewpac. I'm just waiting on the "let's tank the rest of the season so we can get the #1 draft pick" crowd to show up...and they will.

SapperSaint 09-27-2007 08:31 AM

Re: It's time for Reggie Bush to grow up
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lewpac (Post 140303)
Hey, I'm a Cowboy fan. You don't want him........? We'll take him!!

This guy is probably the best collegiate player to come along in a couple decades. I know, I know, Heisman's and a great college career doesn't necessarily translate into a great pro career. But c'mon boys!! Talk about "Premature throwing under the bus"?!?!?!

And that post comparing Reggie Bush to Duece McCallister? WTF? News ALERT: Duece ain't going to the Hall of Fame. EVER. PERIOD!! No disrespect, but Duece is a serviceable journeyman. Not even a consistent or perennial Pro Bowler! Nice guy. Local boy. Right up there with Clinton Portis and Micheal Westbrook. But no iconic back he.

This post is the product of what I said over on the other thread. Free agency and salary cap and parity measures have some of you into "instant gratification"......OR ELSE! One decent year that's been called "the greatest Saints year ever" (10-6????) has some of you calling for your best bet's head after 3 games.
He's a kid. And this baloney about Duece being "from here" and "understanding the local folks" and all that PC bullcrap..............hey, this ain't politics or Social Studies 101. It's Professional tackle football. It makes no difference where Bush is from.
He's definitely into the "Dale Earnhardt Jr." syndrome right now. Too many commercials and social engagements, not enough football. That may be a distraction temporarily, but he'll grow out of that and commit to tackle football soon enough.
Give the kid some time..........JEEZ!!!!!

I'm glad that folks didn't give up on Emmitt Smith after 19 whole games!!!!

Nothing but mad love for you PAC. Good post!

saintsfan1976 09-27-2007 08:39 AM

Re: It's time for Reggie Bush to grow up
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 140271)
... and Mr Holder should follow his on advice.
... of course, what else can we expect from someone who's never ever played a contact sport and gets paid to belittle men any other way but in front of them.

I can barely stand to listen to sports radio or read about sports anymore, because lil' asoles like this Larry Holder.

Have any of you, ever, went thorugh a rough period, being a divorce, a death, unemployment, whathaveyou, and just didn't want to talk about it? Why is it any different with athletes? So Reggie is going to a rough spot and doesn't want to talk about it. So what? Do we really need to hear how the Saints are going to miss Deuce? Don't we all know that already?

So Karney cried. Ok. Karney cried last year at the home opener and cried during the playoff win. So the kid is very emotional. Do all Saints players need to cry also?

And this business about the dinner party: 1st, is hearsay. A columinst in Yahoo sports - those Pulitzer prize winners - referenced a column where they wrote... did you verify it was true, Holder? Or just decided to "reference" the column and didn't even bothered to check if it was true or not? And if it was true, did you attempted to learn why was it that Bush didn't attend?

As for making all those commercials and flying around the globe, does Holder realize that a lot of the companies that use Bush in their commercials are the same companies that have shelled out hundreds of thousands of dollars to help New Orleans rebuilding effort - you know, GM, Adidas, etc - and they did so to secure Reggie as a spokesperson?

No. It is just easier to act all offended and criticize someone because he didn't feel like talking.

RIGHT ON TOBIAS!!! This is nit-picky bulls****!! Karney and Reggie are two different people (and both west-coasters Hagan). How were Reg and Deuce so close last year and so eager to help each other according to the media and now this crap??

We win - all this sh** goes away. Bottom line. And we WILL win.

saintsfan1976 09-27-2007 08:56 AM

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......and how he's donated thousands of dollars to help rebuild the community
.....and how he's in his SECOND YEAR!!
.....and how all these people are gonna eat crow when he pulls off another 3 TD game.

I mean Mare, maybe yeah, but REGGIE?? Don't do to this kid what we did to Ricky Williams.

fhotard 09-27-2007 01:40 PM

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Ok, that article was idiotic. Just another instance of a hack 'reporter' trying to invent news instead of reporting news.

Let's have a look at the situation for a second. Your team is sucking wind. The guy who's been mentoring you for over a year just went out unexpectedly. You're now going to be The Guy.
You haven't had any time for all of this to really set in, but there's someone with a mic and camera in your face wanting to know how you feel?

And how is this "disrespect" to Duece? I just don't get it. I don't think I'd want to talk in that situation either.
The kid (that's right HE'S A KID) is probably a little scared, having suddenly become Duece's replacement rather than Duece's sidekick.

They just need to leave this garbage alone. Either he's going to perform, or he's not.
We'll soon find out.

hagan714 09-27-2007 02:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 140346)
RIGHT ON TOBIAS!!! This is nit-picky bulls****!! Karney and Reggie are two different people (and both west-coasters Hagan). How were Reg and Deuce so close last year and so eager to help each other according to the media and now this crap??

We win - all this sh** goes away. Bottom line. And we WILL win.

Thanks for chiming saints fan. heard you loud and clear. I hope everyone else did

Dan the Man 09-27-2007 02:59 PM

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I like Reggie Bush, I'm glad we have him, and I hope we never lose him. He has excellent speed, usually catches the ball when thrown to him, and makes for an excellent decoy on the plays that we use him as that. I think he still has a lot to learn, but I think he'll learn it. However, he is not the kind of back that can take the full load. He never has been. All throughout college he had Lyndale White to do the power running, while he used his speed to run to the outside. Same as he did with Deuce last year and this year up to this point. He's just not a power-back. And he knows it, he doesn't try to run over people...he tried to juke them. Like I said before, I like Reggie, I hope we never lose him...but we do need someone to give some power also.

DeadmaN 09-27-2007 03:02 PM

Re: It's time for Reggie Bush to grow up
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 140355)
......and how he's donated thousands of dollars to help rebuild the community
.....and how he's in his SECOND YEAR!!
.....and how all these people are gonna eat crow when he pulls off another 3 TD game.

I mean Mare, maybe yeah, but REGGIE?? Don't do to this kid what we did to Ricky Williams.


I agree
Although I personally don't think Reggie is ready to, Quote "BE THE MAN" nor do I think he is going to be the "end all be all" problem solver of this team I say that that article was uncalled-for and distasteful

and your right the same thing happened to Ricky Williams (not that I’m defending that pot head) but he came in and we had no “O” line to speak of and couldn’t get it done because of that fact and everyone wanted to hang the guy

Has anyone noticed a lot of players have come and that were supposed to be sooo gooood but yet we still didn't have good years?
So time passed and we traded them and once they were traded they were big players for other teams?
Then you sit back and scratch your head thinking “what the hell??? Why was he not that productive when he was here?”
It’s actually an easy answer
It’s because (for some messed up reason that is beyond my comprehension) we have always taken player simply because his stats are high and some good team has let him go.
Now on one hand he may be good on paper but that doesn’t mean that he isn't on the down side of his career, has a bad dissipation, or that he will do well with the particular style of play we are using that season.

The top teams around the league will tell you that their scouts are well versed with the teams playing and coaching styles and they don’t just go for a guy because he is "top dog" but rather because he will work well with their team because he plays in the same style of play that they run and he will truly benefit the team as a player; thus making the team stronger as a whole.

Then, on top of that we (the fans) have always expected that player to be the end all be all solution to the problem and if they didn’t fit you specific style of play in the first place then in most cases they can make matters worse.

As far as Reggie goes, things will get better if we start building an "O" that will block for him

LivnaLieTimay 09-27-2007 04:54 PM

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Seriously, I think The NY Post got sick of making up stories on A-Rod for the year so they sent down one of their clown writers to make up a story on Reggie. Living up here I’m used to seeing stories spun so that an athlete is made out to be the bad guy and you learn to ignore it. Larry Holder is trying to make a name for himself and what better way to do that than to write a story about one of the young, up and coming stars in the NFL. The Saints, with their struggles are an easy target right now and this chump is taking his kicks while the Saints are on the floor. Just because Reggie didn’t give him the answer he wanted doesn’t mean he’s not upset about it. I would be willing to bet Reggie talked to Deuce after the game and was a great teammate. Reggie is a competitor and hates to lose, that is one of the things I like so much about him. He was asked these questions immediately following a tough loss and I don’t see any problem with the way he handled the situation. He hates losing and didn’t find it necessary to share with this guy how he was feeling about his teammate. Obviously he’s not happy Deuce got hurt, this guy should learn to ask some questions with substance.

As for Deuce, he is and always will be one of my favorite Saints of all time. I loved his quote right after the game; "I just told myself to get up off the ground. One lesson I learned growing up was to never let your opponent see your hurt. Regardless of what it is, if you can walk, walk off that field." Shows the kind of person he is and I have so much respect for him.

However, having said all of that, I have wanted to see what Reggie could do as the featured back, just wish it could have happened differently. It is way too early to start calling Reggie a bust and jump all over him. I hope the team rallies around Deuce and starts playing like the team we all thought they would be. I’m not ready to give up on the season yet, still plenty of games left to play. GO SAINTS

Oh, and I’m officially changing the name of this article to: “It’s Time for Larry Holder to Grow Up.”

WillMacKenzie 09-27-2007 07:18 PM

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NFL football fields are nowhere near as wide as college football fields.

Reggie needs to learn how to hit the hole fast and vertically. You can't run from sideline to sideline because there simply isn't room to do it like in college. I have a belief that if he can sprint straight up into the open spaces, he can be extremely dangerous everytime he touches the ball. Until then, he'll remain largely unsuccessful.

Reggie you have to run through the line at FULL speed. Don't account for every defender, make the defenders account for you.

phatoosdey 09-27-2007 07:23 PM

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i agree the article is BS although i would like to see reggie training with the team next year not off doin his own thing


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