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What Should The Saints Do About The O-line Trouble. The Saints Need To Build One Of The Best O-lines In Some Way. There Is A Great Player In Reggie Bush But You Need The Line To Make Holes For This Guy. Emmitt Smith Had A Great Line And Look What He Did. Reggie Needs To Learn A Little Patients And Someone Needs To Show Him What To Look For. Speaking Of Emmitt Smith He Showed Marcel Shipp What To Look For When Defence Looks One Way Or Another. Maybe He Needs To Be Our Runningbacks Coach. Nothing Like Learning From The Best In The Game Plus Reggie Has More Talent Than Emmitt But That Means Nothing If Your Not Smart Enough To Use It. They Will Have To Get More Talented Player Than Stinchcomb Or Nesbit. So How Can We Fix Whats Wrong With The Team If You Dont Go And Get Someone That Can Block A True Mauler Of Somesorts. Whos Out There Whos Wanting Out I Said Levi Jones Would Be A Good Fit Or Maybe Damien Woody But Those Guys Would Need To Take A Pay Cut But Not Until Next Year. What Do The Rest Of You Thank We Need A Trade For And Who.

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Besides that Jamal Brown call, I thought our line played very well. They couldn't run or throw the ball on us. Dropped balls and lack of execution on their side of the field hurt us. Though we lost, I saw a lot of improvement out there.

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NO the O line has major flaws. They aren't blocking. You have to watch them play not go by the score of the game or stats. When you have Faine and other saints linemen in the flat with 2 pathers to block only 2 on 2 as your TE catches a screen pass behind them. All they have to do is engage in blocks at minimum. You would think they would go and level these guys instead Faine side steps toward the sidelines and doesn't block and the defender tackles our TE. This would have gone for big gain -huge. In the redzone I thought it was someone else and Faine yet again off to the side of the play instead of getting in there and blocking or pushing the pile as our RB get tackled at the line of scrimmage they were off to the side watching the damn game. Thats now how you play ball in the trences.

I am just not going to tolerate people getting on here and saying oh we did fine now they didn't. No they haven't. They have sucked all year and still not in the game. We lost! Good teams win the games they need to win. We needed to win and we didn't. The problem is the lines.

When we get a high draft pick this offseason you committ to building the lines and you draft the best OL or even DL because you would love to have a dominated D and an LSU native Dorsey.

You take the time and build... which will take 2-3 even 4 years of draft picks and FA (most draft). No quick fixes like a Reggie Bush. You get dominating big men up front. They will keep you in more games that not. You'll at least have oppitunities to win games and games you should and need to win.

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Go Stick A Hat On Someone Already!

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I don't disagree with you that we have problems there but they have and did play much better than they did the first three games.

I don't believe anything I say would dis sway you from our line sucks mentality and they're not capable of playing better without different players. If you failed to see that there was improvement out there on Sunday, we're going to just to have to agree to disagree.

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Thats fair... but we were playing against a inferior team not the Colts on Sunday. A game in which we should have won and needed to win. We are the defending Divisional Champions playing against a injured team who had their 3rd string QB in the game for awhile and they scored on us. We provided yet still very little pressure and no legit blocking.

I don't care if we played better... this is the problem that happened last year. We won 10 games and lost 6, in those 6 the glaring problem was the lines and all anyone focus on was we are a SB contender finally and we were not and are not now. SB teams have a D and an offensive line. REX GROSSMAN was a SB QB!!!! WTF.

Failing to see the real problem with the team is going to allow us to draft another Reggie Bush this coming off season who is going to give us NOTHING. What really matters is having 1. FOOTBALL TEAM 2. WINS.

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When did anyone say that Reggie Bush was a quick fix? If I remember correctly, most analysts picked the Saints to go 3-13 last year. No one with any knowlege of football would ever say that Reggie Bush will turn a crappy team into a good team by himself. If you're referring to the posters on this team's fan site, then I don't know what to tell you. Everyone here is a homer. These are the guys that told you Walter Thomas was going to revolutionize the DT position, so consider the source.

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I said it! Thats who said it. I said it last year I said it this year in this very thread. We managed to over achieve and win 2 more games over .500 ball last year, nothing to get to excited about. We were set up and not many people saw it coming. I will disagree that most analyst pick up 3-13 I think there was one.

A lot of people think/thought Reggie was the savior. Think we are going to be USC of the Pro's... well they are right about one thing we are USC they lost to Stanford. We are a college team playing against Pro teams. The best way to fix an O line is to draft big O line men with top picks in the draft not drafting a player like Reggie whats his name.

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I would not necessarily say they were inferior. They have Peppers and Jenkins. Those two are beasts and the o-line pretty much kept them quiet yestarday.

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Back up QB and other injuries, weak at other skilled areas. Oh and the back up QB was Carr. Oh yeah another thing the 3rd string QB comes into the game and does well. Yes they were inferior.

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They played better. Not great but better. I will take it

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What I'm saying, Euph, is who said that Reggie Bush was going to "fix" the team? Believe me, I know what your point is: We should go back in time, un-pick reggie bush and draft the 93 Cowboys O-line instead. <--Hyperbole

The Reggie Bush pick had to happen. The New Orleans Saints are a business and Bush was good for business. Much better than D'Brick, Davin Joseph, Nick Mangold, Winston Justice or Deuce Lutui would have been. From a long term perspective, would it have been a better move to trade the pick and maybe pick up more blue chip linemen? Maybe, but hindsight is 20/20. If you want to jump on the Meachem pick, I'm all about that. Any of the 15 linemen taken between him and Usama Young would have been preferred.

Google 2006 nfc south predictions. Everyone predicted a losing record and a last place finish.

King (3-13, last NFCS) SI.com - Writers - Monday Morning QB (cont.) - Monday September 4, 2006 10:20PM
Dr. Z (6-10, Last NFCS) SI.com - Writers - Dr. Z: Breaking down the road to SB XLI - Thursday August 31, 2006 11:44AM

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I don't know if they played better... I think on paper we matched up better thats why the score looked better for a change.

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ahhh yes... I agree with your perspective and use of words. I totally agree Bush was a business pick and not a football pick.

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Dallas has a great oline and a great dline they are undefeated. They look unstopable. Qb made some mistakes but because they have a great dline and a great oline they pulled out a victory after an onside kick and a 53 yd fieldgoal.
Saints have a terrible oline and a horrific dline and havent won a game in five starts goin back to nfc championship game. After our last game in which our qb made some bad mistakes our dysfunctional oline and lazy dline wasnt able to keep us in the game by us missing a 53 yd fieldgoal to win the game.
What about that line? How could they allow a defender to block a fieldgoal with his elbow and not even on our side of the ball. Where did we get these guys?

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Bush is a player - he's just not a Duece. Payton is running Bush as if he has tackle breaking capabilities and he doesn't - Peyton's fault. Our O-line looks so bad by design - I read it said all over this site - same line as last year with a different result. What changed? The design, Sean's design. What they are trying to do has changed. Payton genius should put what ever talent we have in the best position to succeed, but what I have seen so far has positioned most players for failure - straight down the list: QB, CB, RB, and on-and-on. None of our talent has been optimized. Quickness hasn't been positioned to places where quickness benefits. Strength hasn't been utilized in its most effective situations. Pass blocking gets easier after you establish some push. All a function of Sean's new design. I say let's scrap this design and get back to basics. Karney AND Bush in the backfield. Speed, strength, protection, options, and balance. Simple success will go a long way. Baby steps, until we learn how to walk again.

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The design was set in stone years ago. We have failed to address our Oline and Dline with top feature personel. We have had problems since Brooks was QB and everybody jumped on Brooks instead of the real core problem. We got lucky and over acheived last year but you could still see the problem if you go back and look at last season against teams with exceptional lines... they blew us out. This year we have been exposed and no reggie bush can fix that, no qb. You have to have a legitimate O line and D line to be successfull in this league today. The Mannings of this world still need a D and O line, yeah they are great alone but they need others to help them be successful.

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You are on the nose with your assessment. Doesn't matter how bad of a game your role players have but if you have a great core in the trenches you are still going to be in games!!!

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When Reggie fell to us I prayed we would leverage the pick into two offensive linemen. I wanted Mangold badly.

I am not sure who else to have picked, but he and a DT would have been great or another O lineman.

When we sent our card to the stage and picked Reggie, I said to my wife, "Well we may not be any better as a football team, but we will sell more tickets and the Saints will be in New Orleans for quite a few more years."

I am not sure who would have traded with us, but the Jets had two first round picks and I sure wanted those multiple picks instead of our one pick.

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They did play better. So who is the week link on the line. jon jarhi jeff jamar or the ALL-PRO jamal ???

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Several of them... the one I have been noticing and watching if Jeff Faine. This guy needs to be benched and/or sent packing.

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and didn't Drew bring him to the PRO BOWL last year. As if to say if you work your butt for you can get here

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Jeff Faine was selected to last year's Pro Bowl as an alternate to Olin Kruetz. That goes to show you just how incompetent he really is. I say we might as well just cut him.

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According to some around here we should just take the offensive and defensive lines out behind the barn and shoot them. :handguns:

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People need to seriously take a looking at the play of the offensive line. They are not hitting people not engageing in there assinments. Its Horrible. I saw on 3 different plays where 2 of our O Linemen were standing around watching the play in stead of moving to the ball carrier and help push the pile or SOMETHING.
I particularly am calling out Faine for missing a blocking assigment he just flat out avoided, stepping aside instead of going and knocking the crap out of a DB as our TE caught a screen pass and was tackled. Even if Faine would have engaged in the block that play could have been some big yards (1st Quarter - check it out). Faine was also caught on 2 occasion watching the game instead of being in the game.

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That would be a crule way to go...:D

Instead, how about we let them continue to work on their problems and see if they can turn it around..

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Sorry Euph I know in no way do you agree with my post when I said Dallas won a game with a 53 yd fieldgoal and we should give the line men the credit. When we could win a game with a 53 yd fieldgoal that was missed and somehow the fault should go to our linemen. We lost that game because Payton didnt bring in a replacement for Mare who had a pulled groin and couldnt even kick a 20 yd fg. To point out Faine who missed a block on what would have been our greatest play ever watchin the te run down the field on a screen pass (sarcasm) was not the turnin point in the game. We have no success with the screen pass NONE no matter who we throw to or who is blocking it just doesnt work. The greatest solution to that problem would be just dont friggin run it anymore.

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As long as I can remember, i've never seen the Saints run a good screen pass. They've just never been able to do it.

P.S. I thought our offensive and defensive lines played better this past week. If they continue to improve and get their timing down, I can see a few wins.

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I agree joesam

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hopefully they all start overachieving again really soon

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First of all if we would have kicked a 53 yarder it would have been blocked because of poor blocking (didn't that happend). Faine one play didn't affect the game I used that as an example of how they are blocking and playing. You get someone in there who is going to freakin' block and play football don't let the trash out on the field. Just because they aren't doing there assignments like they are suppose to doesn't mean you don't run a play WTF are you talking about. With that reasoning we wouldn't even let Bush run the ball because he go tackled before getting to the line of scrimmage??? WHAT??? What the hell "hey Brees, don't even throw anymore passes because you threw an interception", is what this joker is staying.

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You cannot blame the linemen when a 20 yd fg gets blocked. Especially when the ball is blocked not by a defenders fingertips or hand but by his elbow. He didnt get any penetration he just jumped up and since it hit his elbow he didnt even have to jump. Having a kicker with a pulled groin is as effective as posting the same thing in every thread.
Hell yeah you can stop callin screens they dont work. Everytime they run a screen the dline reads it and is waitn for it. I dont care why it doesnt work it doesnt work and I think our offense would be more productive if they dont use it

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The defenders were standing between the O linemen, no one was touching him. Your line is to try and prevent the damn D line men from getting up in the air. There was no one in front of they guy much less his elbow. But you do have a good point niether right nor wrong.

That screen had 2 blockers and 2 defenders in the area it was a clear one on one/two on two blocking and a TE with the ball headed there way. NUMBERS favored the Saints and Faine F'ed it up. That is how he has played all season. GO LOOK AT THE GAMES.

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Just wanted to go back and look and what we were talking about during the losing streak. Guess what it is the same thing we are talking about during the winning streak. Man that is some funny stuff.

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I don't know if you call it funny but at least somethings seem to be true no matter what the situation is... its interesting to see where the problems of the team still are or not. Every week in football its a matter of match ups. If a players isn't making plays when we play good or not making plays when we play good... hmmm you got to fix that if you want to get better and compete against high-power teams.

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The way I see it Reggie is alot faster than the O-Line. But they will put it together.