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scedotal 10-21-2007 09:12 PM

Pierre Thomas
 
In 241 career carries, Reggie Bush has a career long of 22 yards. In 3 career carries, Pierre Thomas has a 24 yard career long. Let give Pierre a chance. I don’t think Reggie scores on that play if he gets the ball.

QBREES9 10-21-2007 09:37 PM

Re: Pierre Thomas
 
Did you see Reggie score that TD. Did you you see it.

WillMacKenzie 10-21-2007 10:44 PM

Re: Pierre Thomas
 
I agree. Thomas has a Maurice Jones-Drew feel to him

Saintsfan4ever 10-21-2007 10:55 PM

Re: Pierre Thomas
 
I don't believe it's a matter of Pierre is better than Reggie or Reggie better than Pierre. I'm glad we have them both and I hope we can utilize their talents for the betterment of the team. Pierre may be better coming off the bench in certain situations, kinda like Devery had huge success coming off the bench last year, and just like he did today.

You say " Reggie doesn't score on that play", well probably not because the defense respects Reggie where ever he lines up, but in this case the draw play worked for Pierre mostly because he's not Reggie.

gummbo 10-21-2007 10:58 PM

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:p:DWhynot try both of them in the back field? PTs run was a thing to be hold.Lets do it again in s.f.next week.GEAUX SAINTS.

WillMacKenzie 10-21-2007 11:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Saintsfan4ever (Post 143177)
I don't believe it's a matter of Pierre is better than Reggie or Reggie better than Pierre. I'm glad we have them both and I hope we can utilize their talents for the betterment of the team. Pierre may be better coming off the bench in certain situations, kinda like Devery had huge success coming off the bench last year, and just like he did today.

You say " Reggie doesn't score on that play", well probably not because the defense respects Reggie where ever he lines up, but in this case the draw play worked for Pierre mostly because he's not Reggie.

We're talking about a professional NFL franchise. You respect the players on the field or you lose. This isn't preseason anymore, we're all playing to win - whether that means stuffing no-name #23 or Reggie Bush. "oh it's Thomas, let's try not to tackle him and let him score"

Thomas seems to have "it" when it comes to being productive. If they're not going to respect #23, so be it, we'll just let him run wild ALL OVER THE PLACE.

He's a nice change-up with respect to Bush. Makes them both more effective, so I say all the better.

Saintsfan4ever 10-22-2007 12:05 AM

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Do you recall fullback Karney scoring 3 TD's in one game last season? ... I'll give you a hint, Dallas. Now how was it Karney walked into the endzone 3 times untouched? Because all eyes were on Reggie, Deuce, and Colston. Yes, an NFL franchise, a playoff calibur team, got fooled.... not 1, not 2, but 3 times.

WillMacKenzie 10-22-2007 12:31 AM

Re: Pierre Thomas
 
you're absolutely right, about what i don't know, but you're right

the fact that our offense has been running like a surgical scoring and 3rd down converting machine this year .is. probably the thing that sprung pierre, forget the fact that it was his first handoff of the game for over 20 yards, broken tackles, jukes and all, for a touchdown.

all i'm saying is pierre is hungry, feed the beast!

reggie's good and everything for a big play or two, but pierre is so effective he demands touches

saintsrule 10-22-2007 01:54 AM

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There is only one person on the other teams defense watching Thomas, closely. There are three or more people watching Bush closely. The entire defense is trying to stop Reggie not Pierre.

scedotal 10-22-2007 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by QBREES9 (Post 143162)
Did you see Reggie score that TD. Did you you see it.

I did see it. That was a great run. Did you see Pierre's run? He made a couple of nice cuts and broke a tackle at the end to score. All I am saying is I would like to see Thomas carry the ball more.

Reggie does seem to be petty good at getting in the end zone when you get close.

BooBirdSaint 10-22-2007 07:22 AM

Re: Pierre Thomas
 
I don't think Thomas gets the playing time due to the fact that you don't want a rookie back there trying to protect your franchse from getting his head knocked off b/c the OL is so poor. Secondly, being this is a pass happy offense I've read that he is not as good a reciever as Strecker or Bush for that matter.

SaintFanInATLHELL 10-22-2007 07:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BooBirdSaint (Post 143193)
I don't think Thomas gets the playing time due to the fact that you don't want a rookie back there trying to protect your franchse from getting his head knocked off b/c the OL is so poor. Secondly, being this is a pass happy offense I've read that he is not as good a reciever as Strecker or Bush for that matter.

The guy can run the ball. We need someone else other than Bush that can run the ball. Simply put in a package for him that features him running the ball and all the passes being quick stuff. With Bush dragging away a double team, PT will run wild.

SFIAH

Cruize 10-22-2007 08:04 AM

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Thomas runs forward and takes what the defense gives him. Reggie is still trying to do too much.

BooBirdSaint 10-22-2007 08:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 143196)
The guy can run the ball. We need someone else other than Bush that can run the ball. Simply put in a package for him that features him running the ball and all the passes being quick stuff. With Bush dragging away a double team, PT will run wild.

SFIAH

I hear ya but lets face it our OL has yet to preform up to the the level necessary to sustain a running game. This has been very apparent when you look at how we almost let Seattle back into the game b/c we couldn't run in the 2nd half and control the clock. And the coaching staff has to want to run the ball. Payton seems like he is only calling the run when the other team expects it which means there are 8 defenders in the box. Running Pierre Thomas is not going to effect either of these two realities. The OL needs a big upgrade to truly become a 1st tier NFL team rushing.

ScottyRo 10-22-2007 09:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BooBirdSaint (Post 143207)
I hear ya but lets face it our OL has yet to preform up to the the level necessary to sustain a running game. This has been very apparent when you look at how we almost let Seattle back into the game b/c we couldn't run in the 2nd half and control the clock. And the coaching staff has to want to run the ball. Payton seems like he is only calling the run when the other team expects it which means there are 8 defenders in the box. Running Pierre Thomas is not going to effect either of these two realities. The OL needs a big upgrade to truly become a 1st tier NFL team rushing.

I agree about the O-Line being a problem. They've stepped up a little since the first few games, but they still aren't as good as they need to be.

A good example of Payton calling a run when it is expected is when they had 1st and goal from the 4. He bunched up the line and had a WR come in motion and stop at the line. The ball was given to Reggie for a loss after the falcons blew up the play. I might not have been able to tell anyone it was going to be a run, but as the ball was snapped that is what I expected.

papz 10-22-2007 10:01 AM

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3 straight games... 0 sacks.

darstep 10-22-2007 10:17 AM

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It was mentioned earlier- our coach is pass happy. Passing has its place, but we need to be able to run the ball, effectively. That depends on both HOW and WHEN you run. Bush, Stecker, Thomas, and Karney can be used more effectively. Each brings their own unique contribution to the running game. Our offensive line also has its strengths and its weaknesses. It is Sean Payton's job to get the most out of what we have, and design and call the plays that work best for us - in the moment. Blocks don't have to be perfect, just effective. Our success each week will be a toss up until we can develop some consistency in the running game - Karney is the key.

WillMacKenzie 10-22-2007 10:23 AM

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You're right. He is pass-happy, or more accurately "big-play" happy. He tries to get the big play EVERY single time. Which is good if it's working and don't have a close game to win, but when things get tight, and time starts winding down - you NEED the running backs to be able to help pump life into your offense and keep the game moving.

You can't pass pass pass punt every possession, it's not good for the whole team.

That was the Eagles' problem, they were complaining that Andy Reid was passing too much, and scoring too quickly - therefore they couldn't keep a lead and they were losing games. They gave the playcalling over to Marty Morhinwig (whateva it is) and they became more balanced.

iceshack149 10-22-2007 05:53 PM

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Here's some good Thomas quotes followed by an encouraging Payton quote:

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"It feels great, I just really want to help this team win," Thomas said. "That's what I'm here for, to give the fans something to be excited about."
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"Going into the play, they called the formation out and I was thinking to myself 'This could be the chance,'" Thomas said. "I have to do whatever I can to show this team, show these fans, show the coaches that I can perform. I hope I'm showing that I can be the guy that has his number called."
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"He made the big run for us on the draw," Payton said. "He's a guy that I trust a lot with the football. He's smart. I thought it was a real good play he had with his touchdown. We'll continue to get him some more touches."
-- Coach Payton

The Daily Advertiser - www.theadvertiser.com - Lafayette, LA

Looks like you were right JOESAM. You've said that this kid had great potential since training camp.

FireVenturi 10-22-2007 06:04 PM

Re: Pierre Thomas
 
I think both Reggie and Pierre should get more carries. Can we get some balance in da house??

LongTimeFan 10-22-2007 06:32 PM

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I think Thomas should see up to ten plays during a game but Bush is the man for us, 4th down and 3 and we go for it, Falcons played Bush all the way only to see Brees run outside for the first down, Bush is the main threat on our offense.

JOESAM2002 10-22-2007 07:14 PM

Re: Pierre Thomas
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 143299)
Here's some good Thomas quotes followed by an encouraging Payton quote:





-- Coach Payton

The Daily Advertiser - www.theadvertiser.com - Lafayette, LA

Looks like you were right JOESAM. You've said that this kid had great potential since training camp.


I saw something in this kid early on. He sure seems to be proving me right. But don't ask Euph, he'll swear it's a conspiracy.

Euphoria 10-22-2007 07:18 PM

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Pierre Thomas I like !!!

There it has been said and so it shall be.

JOESAM2002 10-22-2007 07:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 143330)
Pierre Thomas I like !!!

There it has been said and so it shall be.


Man, you know I had to say it! lol:D

WillMacKenzie 10-22-2007 07:40 PM

Re: Pierre Thomas
 
PT IS THE MAN

PT...Pardon the Thomas

hagan714 10-22-2007 08:12 PM

Re: Pierre Thomas
 
I want to see more him too. One run is all we are talking about. Lets see him pick up the blitz too. I think he is a good diamond in the ruff. Give him time. He may replace Stecker by next year as the #2. But please let him and the other young guys play.

trynaBaFan 10-22-2007 08:20 PM

Re: Pierre Thomas
 
Guys, it seems to me that Reggie and Pierre both play for the same team. Let's not fight over which is better. Let's thank god they were both productive Sunday and hope they do more of the same from here on out!!


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