Still giving Sean Payton a pass?
 

Cause once again, he lost us a football game as a DIRECT result of his coaching.

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Fire his behind

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It was bad no doubt but c'mon, players own up!

We did NOTHING on D To deserve to win this game, and the off was not much better. Let's face it we're a middle of the pack team in a poor div and we still can't win!
Under 4 min remaining,our ball and we stay in bounds twice!! TWice! I feel that that gave the Bucs all the extra time they needed to steal a win from a X mas happy holiday,free pass and rush yards Defence!!

Happy Holidays Bucs and to the Saints D a Big bag of coals in your stockings!

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It was a stupid CALL STUPID PLAY CALL. Its cost the season

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I wouldn't say "nothing" from the D. They scored 8 points.

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Mike McKenzie scored points. The rest of the D, with the exception of Fujita, and discounting the safety, did nothing to impress me.

C'mon. McCown was 15 for 15 at one point. Is he second string or third string? He's not a starter. Giving up 15 for 15 is NOT acceptable, as we all know - even for 1st string. To give that up to backups is past acceptable, and on to embarrassing.

We can win in this league, we have the talent, we have the fireworks. But we don't have is the consistent pass defense. Or rather, our pass defense IS consistent. Consistently bad.

Kudos to the Bucs, winning one on the road, with a backup quarterback. Wish I could say we deserve kudos - but we simply don't. Now my sights are on LSU, and the draft in April.

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SP has been to blame for the majority of the season.

I've officially lost my faith in him. In my mind, he's now on the hot seat.

He was doing well against Tampa Bay, aside from the first drive. Yet, he still couldn't get away from his 'cutesy' video game tendencies.

A run up the middle for negative yards to burn some clock would have been better. 3 an d out would have been better. Less clock, better field position.


I'm officially tired of Sean Payton.

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Well, Payton is not on the hot seat for this year. I just hope that the Saints ownership group pulls the trigger a little quicker than they did with Haz, if the results remain as they are. They stuck with Haz a little too long, probably did not stick with Ditka long enough, so we will see how Payton is treated.

How about Mike Singletary?

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One play doesn't cost you a game. We were beaten all day it wasn't just one play. We need to let Payton take his lumps and learn. Its going to pay off one day... learn from the Steelers.

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They had twice the yardage we had, didn't they? They beat us all day long really. Honestly, I thought it was much worse than the score showed.

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Stop rationalizing for Sean Payton...He's not that good...He proved himself today. I can't come up with any logic regarding that call... and you know the one I'm talking about.

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First thing first, take care of the ball. A reverse at the end of a tight game are ya NUTS.

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One call doesn't make the game. We were beat anyways. Tampa beat us and deserved to win. The better football team won.

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When you are in a close game, as most of the boring NFL games are nowadays with all the "parity", the idea is not to beat yourself. Payton clearly hasn't figured that out, evident all season long. Carolina first game, today. He should be all about playing smart, he did have a good teacher in Parcells. SP needs to learn playing conservative and the clock is not a bad thing. Just don't defeat yourself. He tries the home run play too many times, last year many worked, this year just the opposite. Something about this team has been off all year. Too high expectations, who knows? We'll have the offseason to figure it out.

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face it. we are not even a good team.the only suprise is that we beat jacksonville.other than that we have not beat a decent team.duece was the main force that set up the rest of the off.we have no defense.time to play the youngsters and hope our next off season free agents and draft doesn't come out like this one.still beleive payton can become a good coach.worried more about the money people that want to only take bargain free agents.a top corner and we would at least have been contenders.keeping carney and we would have still been in contention.a couple of small mistakes and we are nothing

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Its amazing to me how we could have won the game with terrible defense and mediocre offense. We were a decent punt and some defense away from beating this team. WOW! When will SP learn from his mistakes? When will these highly paid professionals begin to execute? When will we start to consistently bring pressure on these newbie QBs?

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i agree with the nut...we played like junk. couldn't sustain drives and MADE big plays...they deserved the win and got it. enough w/ this "sean is garbage" nonsense...NO ONE was saying that last year. let him develope at least a little...sheeeesh.

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In this case it did. If the Saints hand the ball off three times and make a first down, Tampa loses. You had the ball. You had the clock. All you had to do was not screw it up.

That may be true. We didn't stop them from scoring a TD. But they should have never gotten the ball back to begin with.

SFIAH

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I just had a future vision where we're on this board long after Sean Payton has been fired. We're still having the argument where one side can't seem to see his flaws and regards him as a great coach, while the other side keeps bringing up his consistent off-season dramatics, his lack of game preparation, his failure to make adjustments, AND HIS TERRIBLE PLAY CALLING. The third camp keeps saying, "he's gone! Our new coach is the greatest thing since sliced bread! Forget Payton!"

The stats show a lopsided game, no doubt, but the team did enough to win. The defense scored 8 points, stiffened in the red zone and held them to FGs on many drives, and got us the ball back when it counted. The offense had enough successful drives and scored enough to make up the difference. Then "wonderboy" calls the double-triple, over-under, special, secret, mega-trick play (guaranteed fresh!) which results in our guys watching the playoffs from home this year.

Coaching lost THIS GAME. Period.

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Yes I agree that was not the time to call that play but still as professional athletes getting all of that money you have to execute the play better. There was terrible blocking and a pitiful pitch by Reggie. Reggie should have just kept the ball and taken the loss of yards.

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I think it was a crap call by Payton and it was the most obvious play that cost us the game. I was stunned. Infuriated. In disbelief. SICK.

But what about Reggie? If we're going to be calling out folks who are getting "a pass" he's number one on my list.

He's in his second year and still can't get his act together! I found it interesting during the third quarter when he came out after he'd been shaken up (and we still hadn't gotten a first down) and was replaced by Stecker we managed TWO first downs.

When is this kid going to figure it out? I'd like to think sooner rather than later...but sooner's been here and later ain't sounding too good right now.

I don't know, maybe if someone held all of his endorsement checks in the endzone maybe he'd have a better chance of scoring. Worth a try...and we know how Payton loves the trick plays...

Har.

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that was the worst play call i have seen from S.P. He should know better. would parcells have ever done that? Bad timing for a trick play and Brees should have spoke up

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last year it was play calling like this that got us to the division championship game. This year teams have learned to look for the unexpected from us. The defense has to play with discipline. Unfortunately for us Duce is not in there. This is where more than any other time in the game he is needed. We need another "06 Philli Killer Drive" to win. Not only this game but a few others. The play call was well defensed and would have gone no where. I like the play but pitching to Henderson alone puts a lot of ifs into it. But not at this point in the game. So Reggie can do what ever that funky off season workout whatever it was and pitch the ball. Henderson I really do not think he will be back. Unless he takes a major pay cut. Even then I have to wonder. I do not think Sean will call that play at that time of the game ever again

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But last year it was a different time and place (3rd and goal against the Falcons IIRC). Also we pulled off this same play with Lance Moore this year in a game.

But this wasn't the place for it.
If that's the case then it may actually worth losing the season over this year. We didn't need to score. We actually didn't even need yards. We needed to protect the ball and exposing the ball like this was criminal! Hand the ball off to Karney, Bush, or Stecker 3 times then punt.

I hope Payton learns. I really do. It seems like he's understanding that you need to run the ball more consistently. But don't run gadget plays when the chips are down. Man up and punch the opposition in the mouth.

SFIAH

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D*mn I wish we had Deuce out there. The only person that played D was Mike. We didnt pressure the Qb that much. We let Joey G. get over 100 yds in the 1st half. This idiot Payton called te dumbest play in sports history. Reggie is not used to getting a of running plays like that and is wearing down his body. We need Deuce because thats when everyone is at there best. We need to draft D-line players no more Offensive players. Matter of fact Saints should just change their names to something else.

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Well Buddy, the problem is that none of that is going to happen. We don't have Deuce and won't till next year if then. You're right that Mike Mckenzie played one hell of a game. Him and Fujita played their hearts out. But two out of 11 ain't real good. You're also right about the play, it was the stupidest play i've ever seen in 40 some odd years of playing and watching football.
I also agree that Reggie is NOT an efery down back. He's great at what he SHOULD be doing, but Payton chooses not to use him that way. Why? I can't answer that. He should bring up Jamal Branch, who csn be an every down back. He has the size, speed and I think the durability to do the job. Why hasn't Payton brought him up? Who knows. Payton almost got bit yesterday when Reggie had to come out hurt. It left him with 1 back, Stecker. But he put Reggie back in hurt and all. Not smart if you ask me, but it was the only choice he left himself.

As far as the draft. I think it's to early to start worrying about it but if you ask me we need to draft cornerbacks linebackers and defensive linemen, in that order. Defense for sure needs to be addressed in the off season. We can work with the offensive players that we have now, if we risign the players who's contracts run out this year.

Without defense, we will never ge even a good team, much less a great team.

There you go Hagan, how's that for blgging? :D

P.S. One more thing, changing the name of the team won't change anything. We are the New Orleans Saints now, and hopefully always will be.

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"Man up and punch the opposition in the mouth." by SFIAH

BUt you and I both know, we've never done that. At least not without Deuce in the game.

Please bring up Jamal Branch!!!!!!!:confused:

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They did activate Branch yesterday but he didn't play.

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Come on guys we may have had a chance to win the game, but we didn't deserve to. The flea-flicker should have been either broken up or intercepted. That was a horrible choice to throw and a bad throw, that we got lucky on.

Our Defense is horrible, MM continues to play well and SF is playing well, our D line was concerned about getting up field that we never contained McCown all day long. We made a backup look like he had Vick's legs, Elways arm, and Montana's smarts. Our defense sucks, and if I see us draft a damn offensive player other than a lineman in the draft I think I will pull all my damn hair out.