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sure it probably shouldn't have been run but
sure it probably should've been stecker on the reverse since reggie this year cant catch or pitch this year
we've seen this play work before
it was all execution
i've seen the replay a million times and tampa totally bought that reggie was going to run to the outside and if reggie would've gotten the ball to Henderson
Henderson would've had nothing but daylight ahead of him
if reggie would've gotten the ball to henderson everyone would be calling Payton a genius today instead of calling for his job
i know we want to win and we want to when now but the coach cant execute the play himself, and aren't we in a rebuilding phase now
i mean really why were our expectations so high, because they did so well last year? but they shouldn't have done that well last year we were lucky in a lot of games last year
reallistically year two of a rebuild shouldn't we expect 7-9 and that would be with a healthy deuce without we should have expected 5-11 not 12-4 like most people were expecting.i mean our team has a coach that is still learning, and a lot of players that are learning.reallistically we shouldn't have a expected a to win a division title or playoff game until at least year 3 of the regime
all i am saying is be REALISTIC we are starting to sound like ALABAMBA fans calling for jobs so soon in a new regime
just like when Bama lost to Mississippi State,LA-Monroe,then god forbid they lose to Auburn; Bama fans were calling for firing Saban saying he was no better than Shula. now who does that sound like. Sounds like some posts i've read on a lotta boards. people saying FIRE Payton, he's HAZ part two
he's not Mike Martz he's not Haz, he shouldn't be Fired, we shouldn't have expected so much so soon. now if by end of year four we haven't won more playoff games or the division, then i'd be on the that bandwagon of getting rid of payton. But we do have to give the man time to learn, get his players in,build his team,rebuild our team

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Coaching lost us that game.... dont blame reggie....

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I agree that calling for Payton to be fired is going way too far, but it was his fault. Yeah, it was a poorly executed play...but it shouldn't have been executed at all.

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The play should have never been call. NO you don't fire coach Payton. Hey Carolina did it right in there game.

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well Bush shouldn't have been just Reggie being blamed
if Jamal Brown would've held his position instead of being pushed back Reggie and Devery's being out of sync because Reggie almost ran into the back of Brown, and so he tried to toss it (albeit poorly) instead of handing it off to Henderson
If reggie was "great" like a lot of a lot of us think then cut it up or head out of bounds as he saw the play blowing up instead of improving by tossing the ball half heartedly

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Wrong time in the game to be calling that type of play. I believe afterwards Payton even said it was bad call. Had that play been executed, we still would have lost over 5 yards on the play. They had it covered well on both sides.

With the big holes the line were making throughout the game right up the middle, we should have ran it up the gut. Oh well.

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It is how we find a way to loose that is so discouraging. Sometimes it's the players, sometimes, like today, it's the coach. If I see another false start penalty I am going to kill my television.

How can you play a third string quarterback and have him go 15 for 15 passing??

What if we had started our second string quarterback, what would it have been like??

Lots of questions and no answers.

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DON"T BLAME REGGIE??? You can blame him. He choked and wasn't the first time he choked this year.

I don't blame people for wanting to stick up for your players based with your heart but when they choke and bite. Then its time to man up and say 'yeah my guy blew it'. He wasn't the only one we were just out played by a better team across the board though. MM was really the only stand out.

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Euphoria,

It wasn't Bush's fault. The head coach took blame for the call and I'm sorry but a pitch back double reverse with a defense who is stacking the line to stop a run is not what I would call smart. That play requires too many people to pitch the ball around at a critical time. You can blame reggie all you want, but you're wrong, the play should never have been called and it practically setup the team for failure because 1) the play too way too long to develop and 2) required too much pitching with a stacked line.

What's sad is there was supposed to be another pitch afterward.

And as for your point about Reggie "choking", please name 3 other times Reggie choked on critical plays that cost the Saints the game.

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You blame Reggie for the execution of the play. You can call any play you want but if the players don't execute its there fault as well. I am saying everyone is to blame. One bad call doesn't lose you the game 60 minutes will win or lose a game for you.

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supes no offense, but alabama blows plain and simple

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i know they do
i'm a Miss State Fan
i just know some Alabama Fans and that is why i used the reference

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Alright alight... that's all college stuff. Back to Pro football. You guys can get a room in the college football forum :D

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DING DING DING...We have ourselves a winner.

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.. not only was it the wrong play at the wrong time, but Bush was clearly hobbling. He should not have been on the field.

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reggie sucks he cant catch and he dont like to get hit.....ps that play should have been up the middle.

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Everyone here is wrong.

The play that cost us the game was the Defense not stopping Tampa on that 4th down. Gruden called his FG unit back and went for it challenging our D. That was the Game right there. Yeah Payton made a screwball call too that was poorly executed at the wrong time but that didn't cost us the game.

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But it definately was a factor... we gave up field position and brought down the morale of the team.

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Wanting Sean fired right now is very premature, yes he called a play that didn't work but more important was the timing.
Payton will be OK, I wouldn't trade hire anyone over him right now, let's give him a couple of more years to show us what kind of coach he is.

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You're right about the fact that it takes 60 minutes to lose a game but this game was in hand. A stupid play call is what killed this game. Sure we were outplayed, but that's happened many times to many teams throughout the years. It's not always the best team that wins. Sometime you get lucky and steal one. This one SHOULD have been stolen from Tampa.

If not for a stupid play call, we had a very good chance of winning that game. Execution of a play or not. One or two first downs and the game is over,Saints win. Even though we were outplayed.

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The only thing I would like to add to this is just one word.

Disgusted!

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In a season like ours things like this happen. A couple of bounces of the ball in our direction this year and we would all be talking differently. Carma is not on our side this year. Drops, fumbles and Int are killing us. TO always are. No I did not forget the secondary. Thats a whole different topic.

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I don't think we even need to talk about the secondary. The MOD's would give me a 6 month ban for cussing.

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LOL you need company? there would be more than you out there.

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Yes, and the pass to the running back that went for 25. That changed it between a FG and the win. Shanlee was faked out of his jock on that play. The real reason we lost (AGAIN) is the pathethic defense we are putting on the field.

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Am I the only one who saw this team break down from the beginning of the 4th quarter?? Everyone seems to focus on one play, the back breaker Yes. But, if we make just one of the 3rd and shorts in the 4th instead of twice getting flagged for false starts making it 3rd and 6 or longer and effectively killing two drives.

I had mentioned that I thought this game was a gut check for this team, and the results are in, they currently are not disciplined enough to be a contender. Between drive ending penalties, poor play execution, or bad decision making on behalf of the coaching staff, there is plenty of blame for everyone to wallow in. Until this team from top to bottom decides that they are going to be a winner, in their heads and hearts, they will continue this Jeckyl and Hyde play.

Until that day comes I will watch, listen, read, and cheer, who dat!!!

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Shanle and Simoneaux both seem to get faked out of their jock on a regular basis. I personally am tired of it. I have not seen Simmons in his limited playing time get abused like these two do. Neither are even remotely fast, and do not play fast either, with poor angles and such.

In the draft if we draft an offensive player I will pull my hair out with the exception of O linemen.

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hopefully you go bald before next years draft or it could get painful