i just don't think payton is the answer....

Cassady37 · 12-24-2007, 09:31 AM

Ok, I don't know how to quite take this year but I do know this. All we needed was 2 things to make the play-offs and if we would've done them a while back we would not be having this conversation. 1, quit making Reggie the focus of our offensive play-calling, put him in space, create match-ups, use deception but pound the runs with someone a little more suited to the running game in the NFL. (This was Payton's choice.) And 2. if we replaced Jason David and left someone else in there for the remainder of the season we would've not given up quite so many easy pass-plays for scores. (This was Gibb's choice.) Given the change to both of these situations and we would be in the play-offs right now with no need to worry or argue. So who does the overall blame rest with for not making the calls on either one of these? And why do the majority of people watching the Saints games see this and the coaching staff can't? People from analysts, former players,former coaches, announcers and the everyday fan???

WhoDatQB · 12-24-2007, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by Cassady37

Ok, I don't know how to quite take this year but I do know this. All we needed was 2 things to make the play-offs and if we would've done them a while back we would not be having this conversation. 1, quit making Reggie the focus of our offensive play-calling, put him in space, create match-ups, use deception but pound the runs with someone a little more suited to the running game in the NFL. (This was Payton's choice.) And 2. if we replaced Jason David and left someone else in there for the remainder of the season we would've not given up quite so many easy pass-plays for scores. (This was Gibb's choice.) Given the change to both of these situations and we would be in the play-offs right now with no need to worry or argue. So who does the overall blame rest with for not making the calls on either one of these? And why do the majority of people watching the Saints games see this and the coaching staff can't? People from analysts, former players,former coaches, announcers and the everyday fan???

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Our offensive line cannot run block, in general. Not singling anyone one particular player out, however without a BIG, MEAN, DEUCE on the field we just have not been able to move anyone off the ball. With Deuce in the lineup this was less of a problem because he was/is? such a good running back.

Without some roadgraders at one Center position and another at guard it just isn't going to happen for our running game without a healthy Deuce, or Deuce like player. Brown needs to be a RT, there he can be one of if not the best in the league. Let some of our backups try for LT and if nothing then we need a new player there.

We have a lot more holes on offense to fill than folks see sometimes, if Deuce is out we need at least two new offensive players, maybe three. Let's not even talk about our defensive needs.

I am sorry maybe I am in the minority, but for the most part Payton is doing a good job considering all the issues. Not great but good. I mean any idiot could see Simmons and KK should be on the field over Simmoneau and Bullocks. Bullocks should beef up and move to Shanle's place and then I think we have most of the LB problem solved and just need to draft/FA a couple of corners and some D line help.

With a more complete team I think Payton can do wonders, his talent eval is sometimes questionable, of course it may be that Payton lets Gibbs handle all of that so that Oayton will have a scapegoat to fire at the end of this season.

BoudinSandwich · 12-24-2007, 08:34 PM

1-10: Empty Backfield, 4-Wide... Incomplete
2-10: 3-Bunch Right w/ 1-Back... 2yrd Gain
3-8: Empty Backfield, 4-Wide... Incomplete
Punt

1-10: 3-Bunch Left w/ 1-Back... 13yrd Gain
1-10: 3WR w/1-Back... 6yrd Run
2-4: 3-Bunch left w/ 1-back... Pass for -1yrd Loss
3-5: Empty Backfield, 4-Wide... Incomplete
Punt

1-10: 3WR w/1-Back... PLAYACTION... 15yrd Gain
1-10: Full Backfield... 4yrd Run
2-6: Empty Backfield, 4-Wide... 3yrd Gain
3-3: 3WR-Bunch Left w/ 1-Back... Pass for -1yrd Loss
Punt

Any of this sound familiar?

I see this every single Sunday. I think SP has 7 plays in his playbook - max.

Plenty of good points have been made. My faith is still with SP... though, I'd take Marty right about now. We just need a new playbook.

12-24-2007, 09:31 AM	#1
Cassady37 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Kilgore, Texas Posts: 337	Re: i just don't think payton is the answer.... Ok, I don't know how to quite take this year but I do know this. All we needed was 2 things to make the play-offs and if we would've done them a while back we would not be having this conversation. 1, quit making Reggie the focus of our offensive play-calling, put him in space, create match-ups, use deception but pound the runs with someone a little more suited to the running game in the NFL. (This was Payton's choice.) And 2. if we replaced Jason David and left someone else in there for the remainder of the season we would've not given up quite so many easy pass-plays for scores. (This was Gibb's choice.) Given the change to both of these situations and we would be in the play-offs right now with no need to worry or argue. So who does the overall blame rest with for not making the calls on either one of these? And why do the majority of people watching the Saints games see this and the coaching staff can't? People from analysts, former players,former coaches, announcers and the everyday fan???

12-24-2007, 08:19 PM	#2
WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: i just don't think payton is the answer.... Originally Posted by Cassady37 Ok, I don't know how to quite take this year but I do know this. All we needed was 2 things to make the play-offs and if we would've done them a while back we would not be having this conversation. 1, quit making Reggie the focus of our offensive play-calling, put him in space, create match-ups, use deception but pound the runs with someone a little more suited to the running game in the NFL. (This was Payton's choice.) And 2. if we replaced Jason David and left someone else in there for the remainder of the season we would've not given up quite so many easy pass-plays for scores. (This was Gibb's choice.) Given the change to both of these situations and we would be in the play-offs right now with no need to worry or argue. So who does the overall blame rest with for not making the calls on either one of these? And why do the majority of people watching the Saints games see this and the coaching staff can't? People from analysts, former players,former coaches, announcers and the everyday fan??? =========== Our offensive line cannot run block, in general. Not singling anyone one particular player out, however without a BIG, MEAN, DEUCE on the field we just have not been able to move anyone off the ball. With Deuce in the lineup this was less of a problem because he was/is? such a good running back. Without some roadgraders at one Center position and another at guard it just isn't going to happen for our running game without a healthy Deuce, or Deuce like player. Brown needs to be a RT, there he can be one of if not the best in the league. Let some of our backups try for LT and if nothing then we need a new player there. We have a lot more holes on offense to fill than folks see sometimes, if Deuce is out we need at least two new offensive players, maybe three. Let's not even talk about our defensive needs. I am sorry maybe I am in the minority, but for the most part Payton is doing a good job considering all the issues. Not great but good. I mean any idiot could see Simmons and KK should be on the field over Simmoneau and Bullocks. Bullocks should beef up and move to Shanle's place and then I think we have most of the LB problem solved and just need to draft/FA a couple of corners and some D line help. With a more complete team I think Payton can do wonders, his talent eval is sometimes questionable, of course it may be that Payton lets Gibbs handle all of that so that Oayton will have a scapegoat to fire at the end of this season.

12-24-2007, 08:34 PM	#3
BoudinSandwich OldiesDJ Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Scott, LA Posts: 951 Blog Entries: 12	Re: i just don't think payton is the answer.... 1-10: Empty Backfield, 4-Wide... Incomplete 2-10: 3-Bunch Right w/ 1-Back... 2yrd Gain 3-8: Empty Backfield, 4-Wide... Incomplete Punt 1-10: 3-Bunch Left w/ 1-Back... 13yrd Gain 1-10: 3WR w/1-Back... 6yrd Run 2-4: 3-Bunch left w/ 1-back... Pass for -1yrd Loss 3-5: Empty Backfield, 4-Wide... Incomplete Punt 1-10: 3WR w/1-Back... PLAYACTION... 15yrd Gain 1-10: Full Backfield... 4yrd Run 2-6: Empty Backfield, 4-Wide... 3yrd Gain 3-3: 3WR-Bunch Left w/ 1-Back... Pass for -1yrd Loss Punt Any of this sound familiar? I see this every single Sunday. I think SP has 7 plays in his playbook - max. Plenty of good points have been made. My faith is still with SP... though, I'd take Marty right about now. We just need a new playbook.
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