Re: Looking for a new head coach?
 

Hagan,

I can't see the defensive side of your equation. Every time I see the Saints defense all I see is poor scheme, poor technique, and poor personnel choices. It's obvious to everyone except the Saints coaching staff that:

1) David, Simineaux,. Shanlee, and Bullucks are awful.

2) The Saints secondary cannot cover a rock, much less NFL WRs.

3) The lack of pressure makes NFL jouneymen (and insurance salesmen) elevate to the likes of Montana, Elway, Farve, and Manning.

4) The defense cannot get off the field, get a turnover, stop a 3rd down ever, or stop the big play.

Everytime the defense trotted out on the field this season, I cringed. They never got better, never adjusted, never pressured, nothing.

So explain it to me.

I don't see it on the defensive side. The defense needs to be blown up and rebuilt from scratch. The Saints need to spend every dime, every pick, every free agent meeting, every coaching change, EVERYTHING on defense this offseason. Fire Gibbs and get someone in here that understands pressure. Get staff in here that can evaluate defensive talent. Spend the money on big time talent.

Do it differently because the defensive product on the field now isn't working.

SFIAH

Re: Looking for a new head coach?
 

SFIAH thanks for your comments. You were right on about the defense. I have a big problem with your belief that the weather did not have an affect on the NFC Championship. I was there to. Drew's passes in warm ups were all trailing right and high. That's because the ball loses its tackiness in freezing weather. Colton dropped a couple passes wide open over the middle, that's because the ball hits like a ton of bricks when its freezing. We had several fumbles in the first half. Why? WE WEREN'T READY. Whose responsibility is it to have the team ready?
When it rains there is an impact on the game. When it snows and is sub-freezing I would think that it would be necessary and common sense to acclimate before game time. Players need to re-learn how the ball flies in cold weather, how it hits, how it feels, how good the footing is, how to run routes as crisply as possible without falling, how to pursue a running back without giving away the jook. There is a lot to know. I grew up in the deep south as a quarterback and played some ball in Wisconsin. I lived up there for 5 years. Throwing, catching, and running is completely different. We are a dome team! How genius does Sean Payton have to be to figure that out. Football doesn't need to be genius. It needs to be common sense. Sean's brain has him so confused that he's forgotten the importance of fundamental football strategy, point scoring, clock management, and preparation. Do you think a coach in the earlier years of the NFL would have showed up on Saturday night for a Sunday Championship? Not if it meant something to him. Only a rookie would be satisfied getting there. If we want to be champions, we need a champion as a coach. It's only my observation.
I'm sorry if I offend some people. I love football and the Saints.

Re: Looking for a new head coach?
 

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Let's not hold 50 other well-compensated individuals responsible for oft-times lackluster performance. We gave even Haslett and Ditka more time.

Re: Looking for a new head coach?
 

No offense taken. 3 days or 3 weeks wouldn't have mattered. The Saints were not committed to running the ball in the game. Also the defense couldn't stop the run. It was a doomed mission from the start.

The only question about Payton and the Saints organization is whether or not they are willing to step up and blow up the defense this offeseason and remake it. If not, then you'll know what their level of committment to winning is going to be.

Offense is flashy and cool, I agree. But at the end of the day of you cannot consistently stop the other guy, then it's all moot.

SFIAH

Re: Looking for a new head coach?
 

Just out of curiosity, who are all the talent the Saints have that played the entire season? Brees, Colston who else? Inconsistent Henderson? Lost Deuce after 3rd game. We have a few talented players and a whole lot of average players. The offensive line can pass block and that is it. When you can't blow people off of the line for a 1 yard gain, (Eagles game Bears game)you are an average lineman. If we have that much talent where is our pro bowl representative? The Saints are in rebuilding mode and we never should have been in the championship game last year. 2008 is the year that I would expect nothing less than a 10 win season. Now if we fall short in 2008, then you may call for a change.

Re: Looking for a new head coach?
 

3 days or 3 weeks would have mattered to me. Because I wouldn't have these doubts about the committment or common sense of our head coach. Atleast he would look like he gave it his best. That's all I can ask for from anyone and everyone. You learn from trying your best. If you have to learn how to try your best then we are in big trouble. I believe that is what I'm seeing. Those doubts were solidified over this year. Everyone keeps telling me, give him a chance, he's learning. He should've learned clock management in pee-wee ball. He's running a multi-million dollar business. How does he not know better?

Re: Looking for a new head coach?
 

This is ridiculous. Barring a complete meltdown Sean Payton has earned 4 or 5 years in my book. Hell, we were in the playoff race till the final week of the regular season. How many teams never had a shot? I've sat through so many awful saints seasons, i don't mind giving a coach some time to do his thing. 7-9? do you remember what 3-13 felt like? Thank god no rational fans feel this way and that management would never do anything so STUPID.

Re: Looking for a new head coach?
 

Good for you Mr. Moronic. I'm glad that since you are so used to us being sub par in football that you have acquired a God like sense of patience for the organization. I want us to win. We can. We should. Coming up short of the playoffs when we had so many losses we could have avioded lights me afire. Especially when we have one of the best quarterbacks in the league for the first time ever! I was there at most of our games in Baton Rouge when we went 3-13. I lost everything in the storm just like our football team. I was off my game that year to. I'm grateful we still played. Don't think that a 3-13 season justifies a mediocre season now. That's settling for crap. The Saint players are disgusted with this year. Why are you content?

Re: Looking for a new head coach?
 

Well you can always go cheer for the Patriots. I think everyone is a bit disappointed with this years performance after the great year before.

I think some people seem to forget its not your team at all. Its Tom Benson - You are just allowed to live in his world.

I think also the general consensus is that Sean Payton is going to be here another year plus... so deal with it wether you like it or not.

Re: Looking for a new head coach?
 

Fickle....thats the word that continues to come to mind as I read this topic. Dikta, Haslett, Mora.....no one was saying lets fire these guys after the 2nd year on the job. I wouldnt say anyone is content, but I really think the Saints over achived last year. I dont see anyone in New York calling for Mangini's *Sp?* head with the Jets. Mike Nolan still has a job in San Fran, no one is calling for his head. It took how many years for the Ravens to finally fire Billeck, who by the way is an offenseive minded coach....he was brought in to put points on the board......as many of us know the ravens still havent found an offense.

Re: Looking for a new head coach?
 

He's done wonders to the 3-13 team he inherited. Let's not jump the gun on him so fast. And like Euphoria said, whether you like it or not, he's going to be here next season... and probably the year after that barring a disastrous season. I hope your views of him will change with a strong group of free agent signings and a solid draft. I truly feel Payton is the right man for the job.

Re: Looking for a new head coach?
 

Brees, Bush, Colston, Evans, Harper, Fuji, etc...

Re: Looking for a new head coach?
 

I'm sorry, but this is a terrible thread. You guys sound like a bunch of Alabama fans clamouring for the Bear. Fire a coach that has a losing record? That's almost half the coaches in the league. I want the Saints to win as much as the next guy, but some of you are acting like we piss superbowls in New Orleans.

Do you think Lombardies, Ladrys and Parcellses grow on trees? Sure coach has made some bone-head moves. He's terrible with TOs and the red flag, but it's not like he can't improve. He's 18-16 as the head coach of the Saints and joins Mora as the only other coach in Saints history with a winning record.

Re: Looking for a new head coach?
 

That's so sad that it made me laugh.

Re: Looking for a new head coach?
 

I'm not sure what planet this is b/c I thought I saw where papz sided with Eup... Twice in the same thread!!!

Strange bedfellows fo sure.

Re: Looking for a new head coach?
 

LOL... I was shocked myself.

Re: Looking for a new head coach?
 

Belichick, Dungy these coaches do not grow on trees. Remember that the Steelers didn't can Cowher, and he didn't set the world on fire, but built a consistent winner that won a Superbowl.

Would I want a Belichick or Dungy? Your damn right I would, who wouldn't? However Dungy was largely considered a failure before he went to Indy. The Bucs went to the playoffs numerous times, but it took time. Do I want Sean Peyton to morph into Lombardi right this instant? Yes, but that isn't realistic, Belichick wasn't even that great to start off with it took time.

In a way we are a victim of our own success in that we want a SB now, even though right this minute we are a team with average talent. Yes we are average talent wise. When healthy we have maybe 4 or 5 players on Defense that would start for more than half of the teams in the league. When healthy on offense we have maybe 6 players that would start for more than half the other teams in the league, and one that would start for almost all the teams but two.

Our team talent has improved since Peyton showed up, and hopefully it will continue to do so as we need a team built through the draft to stay competitive for years to come.

Offensive Coordinator to rebuild Saint's defense
 

Is everybody in the NFC laughing at our predicament? An offensive coordinator is poised to rebuild the Saint defense! Here we go for the 2nd time! Didn't our defense go backwards from last year. Wasn't that the part of the team we were building so we could make it to the Superbowl? Do we need more proof that defense, which is what we desperately need, is not in the area of Sean Payton's expertise? Our only realistic aspiration under Sean Payton is to get into the playoffs. Our team, our fans, our city, deserves to aspire for more.
We tasted a real opportunity not too long ago. It should have made us all even more hungry!
We need a more seasoned HC. Especially now!

Re: Offensive Coordinator to rebuild Saint's defense
 

OK, I am now curious. For argument sakes, lets say that Payton is fired, demoted, or whatever. If you were given the position of authority with the New Orleans Saints, who do you name as your head coach? And no, you cannot hire a head coach that is currently employed by an NFL team.

Re: Offensive Coordinator to rebuild Saint's defense
 

Easy there, tiger. Patience grasshopper. Whoooooa trigger. (all apply here)

Re: Offensive Coordinator to rebuild Saint's defense
 

Are you still going on this whole fire sean payton thing? Did Payton beat you out for a job or something? Just curious who do you bring in to replace Payton?

Re: Looking for a new head coach?
 

He called a reverse with 4 minutes to go...
With the lead....

And I'm over reacting?