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hagan714 01-06-2008 07:57 AM

Lets talk LB in the NFL draft
 
Boy the guy at this Chicago paper has been busy.

Scout talk: Top linebackers to draft

If the Bears lose Lance Briggs in free agency, they at least can take solace in knowing the draft will offer many viable alternatives. It's a strong class for linebackers, and it wouldn't be surprising to see nine of the players listed here drafted in the first two rounds.

1. James Laurinaitis, Ohio State. The junior is expected to declare because he is regarded as a bona fide top 10 pick. He's big, tough, strong and instinctive. Some regard him as a better athlete than A.J. Hawk. He can play in the middle or outside.

2. Keith Rivers, Southern California. There isn't anything he doesn't do well. Rivers can play any linebacker spot. He's extremely athletic and fast. Covers very well. Makes plays in pursuit. Finds the ball.

3. Rey Maualuga, Southern California. Big, explosive inside linebacker who plays hard. Is very physical and has good speed. Plays downhill. Is a little stiff athletically and limited in coverage.

And I quote:
"There is no amount of money the NFL can pay me to make me skip my senior year at USC"

4. Ali Highsmith, Louisiana State. Undersized linebacker who plays big. Is very explosive and athletic. Can run and cover. Solid tackler. Needs the right scheme. Probably is best suited to play on the weak side.

5. Beau Bell, UNLV. Explosive backer who can run and hit. Good pass rusher. Knows how to get the ball out. Could fit best in a 3-4 as an outside pass rusher.

6. Dan Connor, Penn State. Tough, instinctive middle linebacker who makes plays. Most scouts rate him below Paul Posluszny, his former teammate who was chosen by the Bills high in the second round last year

7. Jordan Dizon, Colorado. Little backer who finds a way to get it done. Excellent tackler. Explosive hitter. Fast and very athletic. Would be a perfect fit in a scheme like that of the Bears as a weak-side linebacker.

8. Tavares Gooden, Miami. Smallish player with top athleticism and speed. Plays hard and hits hard. Isn't great in coverage. Would be best on the weak side.

9. Ezra Butler, Nevada-Reno. Big, fast linebacker who has been used in a variety of roles. Probably is best suited to be a 3-4 outside linebacker. Goes all out. Needs to improve his ability to escape blockers.

10. Phillip Wheeler, Georgia Tech. Solid player who is not an elite athlete. Can run and gives good effort. Has average size and gets engulfed at times.

11. Xavier Adibi, Virginia Tech. Very fast linebacker who could boost his stock with a spectacular workout. Is stiff in space and misses tackles. Instincts are questionable.

12. Shawn Crable, Michigan. Has the body and ability but hasn't produced enough. Probably should be an outside linebacker in a 3-4. Can rush the passer. Gets blocked.

13. Vince Hall, Virginia Tech. Is an instinctive overachiever who lacks size and speed. Plays hard and always is around the ball.

14. J Leman, Illinois. Smart middle linebacker who makes a ton of plays. Lacks top athleticism. Has great intangibles. Probably won't be as good in the NFL as he was in college.

Scout talk: Top linebackers to draft on ChicagoSports.com

While I may have a few hair to split over the reviews and rankings. I think overall he did a niece job.

tapout 01-06-2008 06:09 PM

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3. Rey Maualuga, Southern California. Big, explosive inside linebacker who plays hard. Is very physical and has good speed. Plays downhill. Is a little stiff athletically and limited in coverage.

And I quote:
"There is no amount of money the NFL can pay me to make me skip my senior year at USC"

like top ten money? or more specifically 10th overall money. hit him on his cell Reggie.

Supes 01-06-2008 06:59 PM

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James Laurinaitis will not make to us
i don't know why everyone thinks we should take him
he won't be there the patriots will take him to replace one of there elderly linebackers
i think the best available will be Keith Rivers,Sed Ellis,Kenny Phillips
i think if Sed Ellis is there take him, if not Phillips because both r big needs,big upgrades,big playmakers and the drop after James Laurinaitis isn't that big and could easily pick up a good replacement Linebacker in the second such as Dan Connor, Penn State
remember we do pick early this year in draft in all rounds not just the first

glock 01-06-2008 07:20 PM

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how about the db brandon sumrall out of southern miss. he was the confrence usa defensive player of the year, and i think he would be a good one late in the draft

Supersaint19 01-06-2008 10:57 PM

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if ellis or laruinaitis are gone i would trade back and try and get the cowgirls 2 first round picks, they like phillips, then we could take mike jenkins, dan conner, and frank odam in the 2nd

TheDeuce 01-06-2008 11:23 PM

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I've got two words for you: Keith Rivers. Laurinaitis is overrated, give me Rivers' athleticism any day over Laurinaitis.

mjf150 01-07-2008 09:01 AM

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My gut says that the Saints are going to draft Keith Rivers. The only concern I have is when there are two highly rated LB's on the same team, you have to wonder if they are benefiting significantly from playing with one another. Who is feeding off of whom? You have to wonder if there will be a drop-off when the two are seperated.

saintsfan1976 01-07-2008 09:36 AM

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I like Highsmith.

TheDeuce 01-08-2008 09:20 AM

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Last night was a perfect example of why I don't want Laurinaitis. He disappears in big games, just like he did in last year's championship. He can't play with ultra athletic teams.

DeadmaN 01-08-2008 09:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Supes (Post 151535)
James Laurinaitis will not make to us
i don't know why everyone thinks we should take him
he won't be there the patriots will take him to replace one of there elderly linebackers
i think the best available will be Keith Rivers,Sed Ellis,Kenny Phillips
i think if Sed Ellis is there take him, if not Phillips because both r big needs,big upgrades,big playmakers and the drop after James Laurinaitis isn't that big and could easily pick up a good replacement Linebacker in the second such as Dan Connor, Penn State
remember we do pick early this year in draft in all rounds not just the first

I don't know...
I think he would be a fantastic fit here the problem is that he should be an early round pick and he is going to pull a big payday with what ever team he signs with

DeadmaN 01-08-2008 09:51 AM

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after thought....


I mean lets get real the guy had over 100 stops on the books for the season and managed to pull down the Butkus award he's going to pull a big payday with what ever team he signs with in the NFL

and I don't see the Saints putting out that kind of money for this position

WhoDat205 01-08-2008 11:26 AM

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I'm going to throw a late round guy out there: Wesley Woodyard from UK. He's a 'tweener that will probably be a SS conversion because he's small, but the kid can flat-out play football. He's projected in the 4th.

Wesley*Woodyard, SS, Kentucky - 2008 NFL Draft Scout Profile, Powered by The SportsXchange

Quote:

Name: Wesley Woodyard
College: Kentucky Number: 16
Height: 6-1 Weight: 215
Position: SS Pos2: OLB
Class/Draft Year: Sr/2008
40 Time: 4.49 40 Low: 4.43 40 High: 4.56
Projected Round: 4 Stock:
Rated number 4 out of 123 SS's 110 / 2531 TOTAL

Draft Scout Snapshot: 13 GP; 13 GS; 122 TT, 9.5 TFL, 2 SK, 1 INT, 3 PBU, 1 QBH, 4 FF; First-team All-SEC in '06. 11 GP; 11 GS; 100 TT, 7 TFL, 2 SK, 1 INT, 4 PBU, 1 QBH in '05. 10 GP; 5 GS; 34 TT, 1 TFL, 2 QBH in '04.

12/31/07 - PLAYERS TO WATCH: Stopping the run has been a liability of the Wildcats all season. But the Seminoles have struggled to mount much of rushing attack this season, averaging only 121 yards per game. LB Wesley Woodyard led the SEC in tackles, averaging more than 10 a game. Woodyard was second in SEC last year in tackles.

12/31/07 - All-SEC (first team) by SEC coaches (2006, 2007)...Leads the SEC in tackles ... Team’s leading tackler from his weakside linebacker position, reaching the 100 mark for three years ... Has a streak of 36 consecutive games with at least four tackles, covering every game since 2005 ... Became the first Wildcat in 15 years to reach 300 stops in his career (now has 380) ... Ranks eighth in school history for tackles ... Has 17 double-figure tackle games in his career ... Has started 36 consecutive games ... Elected team captain by the Wildcats. 2007 (Senior): Consensus first-team All-SEC selection ... Leads the SEC in tackles with 124 stops ... Won team awards for UK Co-Most Outstanding Defensive Player and UK Most Inspirational Defensive Player ... Named the SEC Defensive Player of the week after the Arkansas game ... Tied his career high of 18 tackles against the Razorbacks and forced a fumble that Trevard Lindley returned 66 yards for a score. - Kentucky Football

12/05/07 - 2007 All-SEC First Team (Coaches): LB Wesley Woodyard leads the SEC in tackles with 124 stops, his third consecutive season reaching the century mark in tackles. He was named SEC Defensive Player of the Week in the win at Arkansas. He has an active streak of 36 games with at least four tackles. - UK Athletics

Tobias-Reiper 01-08-2008 03:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDeuce (Post 151547)
I've got two words for you: Keith Rivers. Laurinaitis is overrated, give me Rivers' athleticism any day over Laurinaitis.

Here! Here!

... especially after watching Laurinaitis last night, getting caught out of position and missing tackles.

... although, if the Saints draft him and he stinks, then announcers would proclaim "The Saints D caught a bad case of Laurinaitis"...
...which would be hillarious...
...if you are not a Saints fan, of course...

dwiley21 01-08-2008 03:57 PM

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rest assured, we won't address the linebacker situation. we haven't in the past 2 drafts, why would they start now.

LordOfEntropy 01-08-2008 03:59 PM

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I don't know if you guys are aware, but Laurinaitis set the record with the most tackles of any BCS championship game. I thought he played pretty well, against a very respectable offense.

SapperSaint 01-08-2008 04:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by glock (Post 151536)
how about the db brandon sumrall out of southern miss. he was the confrence usa defensive player of the year, and i think he would be a good one late in the draft

^^^^
He would be a good pick up. I don't think he will get drafted, he will more than likely be a FA pickup.

Now back to LB's. I think Ali will be there when it's our turn. But...I hope we pick up a lines man.

By the way, Welcome aboard GLOCK!

Cancer Beater 01-08-2008 04:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dwiley21 (Post 151667)
rest assured, we won't address the linebacker situation. we haven't in the past 2 drafts, why would they start now.

Sad but true

Tobias-Reiper 01-08-2008 08:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LordOfEntropy (Post 151668)
I don't know if you guys are aware, but Laurinaitis set the record with the most tackles of any BCS championship game. I thought he played pretty well, against a very respectable offense.


... that's just a stat. So he made more tackles than anyone else. Where were these tackles made? How many were run stuffers? Sacks? The Saints already have a couple LBs who can tackle after 12 yd gains. They don't need another.
And he can't pass cover worth crap. Maybe against the cream puffs OSU plays year in and year out he looked great, but against LSU, he looked lost in pass coverage, average at best in run support, and with no sideline to sideline range. Maybe is because LSU has speed, but if he can't handle that speed in college, how can you expect him to handle speed in the NFL?

hagan714 01-09-2008 05:07 AM

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I was not overly impressed by him either. But all in all he played solid. He and the Buckeyes never really had that many chances to be overly aggressive in that game. He was playing deep almost all night. Kinda like a safety valve. If he got caught up in the line back wash the game would have been a complete blow out. He is still top 15 talent and he is just a Jr.

LordOfEntropy 01-09-2008 05:53 AM

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Well, I thought he played pretty well, though I'll admit I was drunk by halftime. I'll watch the game again tonight, and focus more on his play before I comment again.

hagan714 01-09-2008 06:34 AM

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I am not knocking the kid at all. He did what he was assigned to do. But that was not the usual ohio defense style. that all

zachsaints52 01-10-2008 01:56 PM

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I think we should trade down and get Adibi and Hall, from VT. I have watched them for quite awhile and if we could get both of them it will be really good for us.

TheDeuce 01-10-2008 01:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 151689)
... that's just a stat. So he made more tackles than anyone else. Where were these tackles made? How many were run stuffers? Sacks? The Saints already have a couple LBs who can tackle after 12 yd gains. They don't need another.
And he can't pass cover worth crap. Maybe against the cream puffs OSU plays year in and year out he looked great, but against LSU, he looked lost in pass coverage, average at best in run support, and with no sideline to sideline range. Maybe is because LSU has speed, but if he can't handle that speed in college, how can you expect him to handle speed in the NFL?

Agreed T-R. The guy is a solid player, but I was actually watching him every chance I could, and he didn't make any big plays. He made a lot of tackles, but a lot of them were downfield. Not saying he's not good, but I'd rather see us go after a guy with more athleticism.

mjf150 01-10-2008 02:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dwiley21 (Post 151667)
rest assured, we won't address the linebacker situation. we haven't in the past 2 drafts, why would they start now.

Watch, this is what's going to happen: McFadden will have a poor showing at the combine and will somehow fall all the way to the 10th spot in the draft. At which point, the Saint's will draft him as the best player available, rather than going after a CB or a LB that we need.


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