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Cancer Beater 01-16-2008 09:26 PM

Your the Saints GM, what would you do this off-season???
 
I'd sign
Asante Samuel
Alan Faneca
Dallas Clark

I'd draft
1st: Kenny Phillips
2nd: Chevis Jackson or Erin Henderson
3rd: Best available LB
4th: Best available CB
5th: Best available DT
6th: Matt Flynn

Tobias-Reiper 01-16-2008 10:22 PM

Re: Your the Saints GM, what would you do this off-season???
 
First thing, bring charges against Jason "3rd Down" David for impersonating an NFL CB... then cut his lil' behind

... then re-work Colston's contract

No to Samuel: yes to Asomugha if he isn't tagged

Yes to Faneca

Clark is not leaving Indy.

Draft.... I like Phillips, but would have a hard time picking between him and Talib...

Cancer Beater 01-16-2008 10:27 PM

Re: Your the Saints GM, what would you do this off-season???
 
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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 152187)
Clark is not leaving Indy.

.

I don't know how Indy can afford him.

They gave Reggie Wayne, Dwight Freeny, and Bob Sanders HUGE deals.
How can they pay Dallas Clark too????x(

MatthewT 01-16-2008 11:40 PM

Re: Your the Saints GM, what would you do this off-season???
 
Very good question... There are lots of areas to address. The thing I would put at the priority list is getting Gary Gibbs the players he needs to get him back into coaching his 3-4 defensive scheme. I would put my main focus on that first. To make this happen, it's going to be a handful of so called second tier guys in free agency. There is really no such thing as prime free agents anymore, thanks to teams finally learning how to manage the salary cap.

The second move is getting more help through the draft. Kenny Phillips should be a very nice start. More than that, the focus should be on what players can make a difference on defense. This upcoming draft should absolutely have no offensive players involved. Should be seven picks, all defense. More specifically, players who could excel in the 3-4 scheme.

On offense, basically the core is still together and that should be fine. A backup QB is needed, I would go the veteran route. Maybe a guy like McCown from Oakland could be it. Resigning Martin would not be the worse idea in the world, although I think an upgrade is needed. As for WR it's time to get Colston signed to an extended contract, and let Meachum hit the field. As a GM I will probably let Henderson and Copper walk, unless they are talking moderate contract terms.

As for a kicker, no need to worry. As a GM I would be OK with Gramatica and Mare battling it out, and maybe bring in a free agent who wasn't drafted. Let the best man win.

One last spot to think about is the RB position. As a GM I am totally happy right now with Bush, Thomas, and Karney. What I would do a little different is bring in another fullback. I would like to see 2 FB and 3 RB. Karney could be lethal as a spot duty RB with another FB leading the way. There should be a lot of interest in bringing in Michael Turner and as a GM I am going to try my best to get him in a Saints uniform. As far as Deuce goes, I am pulling for him and hope he makes the team, but as a GM I am not counting on it.

SoulStar 01-17-2008 12:25 AM

Re: Your the Saints GM, what would you do this off-season???
 
Ask Payton what he needs to bring a superbowl championship to Nawlins

Then pretty much what Matthew T said, its like you read my mind there man.

hagan714 01-17-2008 05:31 AM

Re: Your the Saints GM, what would you do this off-season???
 
FA:
1) A Captain for the Defense. LB,S whatever. Just a drew type of leader.
2) YOUTH for CB and DT, You can live with the growing pains here. It can not get any worse than the past two years. But at least you have a start for once. Mid level FA are fine. it is a start
3) WR for the #2/#3 position. long term goal of playing #3 because meachem will produce by the third year and be the #2 we drafted him to be.
4) Sign Colston and Smith to long term deals and get it out of the way for next year.
Draft:
Wheel and deal like 2 years ago moving up and down the draft board in each round aquiring picks and/or players. well more down than up, please. We are not young enough or deep enough to make too many moves up the board. The OL is the only postion we are deep enough to do that with, but there are too many questions yet unanswered about the least two years of draft picks to do anything. If there is a starter in the wings, at Tackle, our best trade bait is Stinch. He is in his last year of his contract. Other than that we do not have much. any other position would hurt the team. But do not be affraid to make a move because of it. Be smart though.
So go with the BPA for each and every round. Get as many picks as possible. Please try at least to get yourself into position so the defense has a chance to be that BPA. We can afford to reach once in a while. Just do not go nuts.

SaintFanInATLHELL 01-17-2008 05:57 AM

Re: Your the Saints GM, what would you do this off-season???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SoulStar (Post 152191)
Ask Payton what he needs to bring a superbowl championship to Nawlins

I'm still not so sure about that. Payton at times still exhibits symptoms of "Offenseitis": the mistaken belief that offense wins championships.

So if I were GM I'd build a solid defense, make sure that we had the personnel to run the football, then go ask Coach what else he needs.

So then I agree that...

Quote:

Then pretty much what Matthew T said, its like you read my mind there man.
MatthewT has the priorities right. The Saints are going nowhere fast until the defense becomes dependable.

SFIAH

SapperSaint 01-17-2008 08:00 AM

Re: Your the Saints GM, what would you do this off-season???
 
Good Points SHIAH. You too Hagan.

I really think Payton also depends too much on small schools. Yes, you can find "A diamond in the ruff", but jeez, at least in the late rounds pick an SEC guy.

Cancer Beater 01-17-2008 08:27 AM

Re: Your the Saints GM, what would you do this off-season???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SapperSaint (Post 152201)
Good Points SHIAH. You too Hagan.

I really think Payton also depends too much on small schools. Yes, you can find "A diamond in the ruff", but jeez, at least in the late rounds pick an SEC guy.

It was a curse for us to have found Colston and Evans in their schools.
Now, we will over-look SEC schools for more "Diamonds" in these small schools.x(

papz 01-17-2008 08:30 AM

Re: Your the Saints GM, what would you do this off-season???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cancer Beater (Post 152188)
I don't know how Indy can afford him.

They gave Reggie Wayne, Dwight Freeny, and Bob Sanders HUGE deals.
How can they pay Dallas Clark too????x(

Indy has already stated that if they can't come to an agreement on a contract for Dallas Clark, they're going to franchise him. He's not going anywhere.

I posted this on earlier this offseason... but this is what I'd like for us to do.

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I'm just going to put a list of guys who I think we actually have a chance at. Albert Haynesworth and Nnamadi Asomugha are more than likely to be franchised. It would be nice if we could have either but that's just not going to happen.

For the backup quarterback position, I would like us to sign Josh McCown to backup Brees. He has a big arm and capable of being a starter in this league. Should Brees ever go down, heaven forbid, I'd feel more comfortable with McCown than Martin.

At running back, should we decide to not retain Deuce, these are guys would I would look at... Chris Brown, TJ Duckett, LaBrandon Toefield, Ron Dayne, and Aaron Stecker. If we aren't going to commit to letting Bush run full time back there, we need a grinder and these guys fit the bill. I was going to mention Julius Jones, but he wants to be a full time starter and that's not happening here.

At receiver my main target was Crayton... but it looks like he's about to sign an extension with Dallas. Moving forward my next target would be Bryant Johnson... good size, speed, route running, and his hands aren't bad. He surely won't break bank either. I think he could surprise here in New Orleans. Other names are Andre Davis, DJ Hackett, Jabar Gaffney, and David Patten. There are some quality guys on the market that are all affordable.

At tight end re-sign Billy Miller and also consider Ben Utecht of the Colts. He's also been solid there when his number was called. I'd like to see what he could do in an expanded role.

At OL, the only two options that I want and realistically can get are two Steelers... Faneca and Max Starks. Bring Starks in to push Stinchcomb and Faneca could instantly be put in Nesbit's position. We would have to maulers at guard which should help Bush not becoming so hesitant to hit those holes. At center re-sign both Faine and Goodwin and let them battle it out. I'm confident Faine is just having a off year and he'll rebound next season. We have yielded the least amount of sacks this year. People here tend to think highly of Goodwin, though only two games, so re-sign him also. May the best player win.

I'm not impressed with the free agent linebackers. I think Briggs is a bit overrated and being in Chicago's system definitely plays a big part in his success. I wouldn't break bank for the guy... I'm interested in finding players that can get to the quarterback and ones that have a nose for the ball. Though a restricted free agent, Michael Boley is my number one choice. Actually Dansby would be but Arizona will not let him leave... no way no how.

At corner, Marcus Trufant... the guy we most Saints fans thought we were going to draft years ago. Here's our chance... we have the cap room to steal him away from the Seahawks. He would make a great option opposite Mike. As much as I do like Asante, I really do, he's going to command too much money. I've said this before that I think being in New England's scheme and playing outdoors in that environment helps him also. If we make a run for him great, I'd love to have him... but I probably would target Trufant first. This year my Rod Hood is Drayton Florence.

At safety, if the organization feels we need to make a move here, my pick is Gibril Wilson. He would make a great starting safety for any team in this league. I still have faith in both Bullock and Harper, but I can understand if the team's patience in them is wearing down.

At DT/DE, if we don't extend Will Smith, the obvious choice to replace him is Jared Allen. As much as I'm a Charles Grant fan, I kind of wish now we didn't re-sign him. Having Allen opposite Smith would give us that much needed pass rush. Oh well... hopefully Charles loses some weight and become a force again. Some DT's to consider are Damione Lewis and Randy Starks. Former first round bust Lewis has resurrected his career in Carolina and I think he would be a solid signing. Starks is having a down year but he's a solid tackle... and still very young. We need to get younger, stronger, and faster... these two guys fit the bill.

As far as the draft is concerned, BPA is all I have to say. Whether it's a corner, WR, LB, DT, OL, whatever... take whoever is rated highest on our board. As far as specific players I would like to have, Quentin Groves is a favorite of mines. Dan Connor is as solid as they come and some already know how much I like this guy... been on him since the beginning of last year. Cason/Jenkins are two guys at corner I'm sure we all would love to have. Not really enamored with any DT's as of yet, Glen Dorsey is out of our reach, but I'll have a better feel for them as workouts come.
That was 2 or 3 weeks ago and there are some players I'd like to add. Talib CB from Kansas, Corey Williams DT from Green Bay, Sedrick Ellis if he's there at 10, Pat Sim and Dre Moore if we pass on Ellis in the first with our second pick.

We really need to address getting a pass rushing specialist this offseason. We cannot continue to rush 4 guys with Smith only being the effective one. Get an edge speed rusher and move Grant inside on third downs. As I said up there, I think Groves can be that guy.

One more thing if we take a kicker in the draft, that guys needs to be Brandon Coutu. This kid has one hell of a leg. 60 yarders for this kid would be a cake walk.

WillMacKenzie 01-17-2008 11:10 AM

Re: Your the Saints GM, what would you do this off-season???
 
Your the Saints GM, what would you do this off-season?

Well, I wouldn't be sitting around with a bowl of popcorn watching playoff games and twiddling my thumbs!

Geez, DO something Saints

bulldog1865 01-17-2008 12:38 PM

Re: Your the Saints GM, what would you do this off-season???
 
I think what we do in the draft will depend on free agency.

a - If we sign a playmaking linebacker (Briggs) we should look at DBs or maybe sedrick ellis if he falls at #10.
b- If we sign a playmaking DB (Samuel, Trufant) we should look at possibly trading out of the 10 pick.

I feel that the value we have with the number 41 pick will be huge. #10 is an awkward position this year considering our needs. There will be more LBs, DTs, or DBs worth more at 41 than at 10. I would not feel bad about trading out of the 10 to later in the 1st round if the offer is right.

Extend Colston, Smith.

Faneca would be nice but expensive if we want to extend colston and smith.

bac 01-17-2008 12:38 PM

Re: Your the Saints GM, what would you do this off-season???
 
Lets See A Would Sign
Wr: B.johnson (cardinals)
Dt: C.williams (packers)
Lg: A.faneca (steelers)

Lets See On The Draft
1st K.phillips (maimi)
2nd C.brennen
3rd J.brinkley

SapperSaint 01-17-2008 12:46 PM

Re: Your the Saints GM, what would you do this off-season???
 
Great picks and moves Papz. Boba needs to see about getting you into the front office brother.

Cancer Beater 01-17-2008 03:20 PM

Re: Your the Saints GM, what would you do this off-season???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bac (Post 152214)
Lets See A Would Sign
Wr: B.johnson (cardinals)
Dt: C.williams (packers)
Lg: A.faneca (steelers)

Lets See On The Draft
1st K.phillips (maimi)
2nd C.brennen
3rd J.brinkley

I hope Brennan falls into the 3rd or 4th round.

CheramieIII 01-17-2008 03:48 PM

Re: Your the Saints GM, what would you do this off-season???
 
1. Sign Samuel and Gay at all cost and yes that means even giving up some draft picks for next year, not this draft. Thomas becomes a coach. We also need to sign a mid-level FA to replace Bellamy.

2. Sign a quality DT FA like Simon or Haynesworth if possible and yes that means even giving up a draft pick next year, not this year. Re-sign Wynn and Young and Give Smith his long term deal.

3. Sign Daunte Culpepper to back up Drew. Rocket arm and can play well in spurts and knows he's a backup. Cut Martin.

4. Re-sign Patten and Henderson. Moore and Meachem will be big next year. We may want to extend Colston now to show some good faith.

5. Pound Deuce until the wheels fall off. Keep PT as his backup along with Stecker, Karneyand Branch. Bush will be punt returner, kickoff returner, wide receiver, running back, etc., The Matrix so to speak.

6. Re-sign Johnson and Miller, we also have Ghent.

7. Maybe a replacement for Nesbit or we could keep him, either way it's OK.

8. Re-sign Simoneau. If all of the other defensive pieces fall into place the linebackers will be much improved.

9. Cut Mare and Gramatica.

The Draft:

1st Round
Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas

2nd Round
Dre Moore, DT, Maryland

3rd Round
Beau Bell, ILB, UNLV

4th Round
David Vobaro, OLB, Idaho

5th Round
Andy Studebaker, OLB, Wheaton

6th Round
Alexis Serna, Kicker, Oregon State

7th Round
Terrell Vinson, CB Purdue

saintsfan1976 01-17-2008 06:38 PM

Re: Your the Saints GM, what would you do this off-season???
 
I would build the best pass rush in the NFL!!!

Cancer Beater 01-17-2008 10:18 PM

Re: Your the Saints GM, what would you do this off-season???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 152230)
I would build the best pass rush in the NFL!!!

What players would you bring in to make that happen???

saintsfan1976 01-18-2008 08:52 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cancer Beater (Post 152239)
What players would you bring in to make that happen???

Wish-list?

Sign:
Haynesworth (not gonna happen)
Suggs (versatility/speed)

Draft:
1st round Pat Sims - DT Auburn
2nd round Calais Campbell - DE Miami (the kid is 6'8")
2nd (trade) Jack Ikegwuonu - CB Wisconsin (keep him away from the XBOX)
3rd round Johnathan Goff - Vanderbilt (top LB in the SEC)
4th round Jeremy Lehman - Illinois (sleeper)

Cancer Beater 01-19-2008 10:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 152253)
Wish-list?

Sign:
Haynesworth (not gonna happen)
Suggs (versatility/speed)

Draft:
1st round Pat Sims - DT Auburn
2nd round Calais Campbell - DE Miami (the kid is 6'8")
2nd (trade) Jack Ikegwuonu - CB Wisconsin (keep him away from the XBOX)
3rd round Johnathan Goff - Vanderbilt (top LB in the SEC)
4th round Jeremy Lehman - Illinois (sleeper)

The top LB will last untill the 3rd round???:confused:

saintsfan1976 01-20-2008 08:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cancer Beater (Post 152284)
The top LB will last untill the 3rd round???:confused:

He's MY top LB, not everyone else's... ;)

Cancer Beater 01-20-2008 12:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 152292)
He's MY top LB, not everyone else's... ;)

I hope we get him.


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