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the death penalty...........
which will never happen due to money......
but, there always is a chance that someone will
have the balls to do something............

Source: Pats employee filmed Rams - BostonHerald.com

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what's new.

After the tapes were burned and the Pats fined basically nothing (what's $750,00 in the NFL, plus Goddell knew the Pats had 2 picks in the 1st) a lot of folks just swept the whole thing under the rug, saying they got punished, now look at what they done without the taping, blah blah...

But if you think about it, this is an organization that was told not once, but twice, not to do what they were doing, and they kept on doing it anyway. Don't you think they could be doing other things?

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They were caught not once, but not even twice. They were caught THREE times. They did the same thing to the Packers at Lambeau last year. The Packers filed a complaint - yet nothing happened.

So, that's multiple seasons, multiple complaints, multiple warnings - that we KNOW OF.

I say they forfeit each and every one of those games. I'ts simple. You cheat - you lose. And worse - if you continue to cheat - then you don't get to play at all. Revoke their NFL charter? You're damn right.

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Here's a link the mentions the espisode at Lambeau, in addition to the episode at the Jets.

PATRIOTS HEAD COACH BELICHICK COPS TO FILMING NEW YORK JETS « ::BROADCATCHING::

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So what does that make him a cheater. YES !!!! The rest of the teams should standup to the NFL. Somebody get a back bone.

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The reason why no one in the nfl is saying anything about this is two reasons:

One: If you look at the Pats your going to have a take a close look at all the other teams in the NFL. Here in Dallas ESPN has its own network, and a few of the local host get big names to come by from time to time. Here are a few tidbits I remember from some guest.

Jimmy Johnson: The Pats arent the only team to do this in the NFL, the Jets have also been brought up when it comes to taping coaches. Hell the 1st person Eric Mangini hired after he got his head coaching jobs was a memeber of the Pats film staff.

Norv Turner: When we coached in Dallas Jimmy always made sure the trash from the visiting teams coaching box was searched. Often they *other football coaches* would toss the gameplan away as they left for home. It wasnt much of an edge, but when you playing a team twice in a year it sure helped.

Pat Summerall *SP?*: Over the years alot of teams have done a few under handed things to gain an edge. When I covered the NFC North I always heard certain teams complain about mic's beeing hidin in the visitor locker room, or players getting poor medical care at away games....this is one of the reason why teams started to employ their own doctors.

Micheal Irving: Im not going to come out and say that I played with cheaters or that Ive been cheated in a game. But lets just say that it wouldnt shock me to learn the truth both ways!


Two: The NFL gave the pats the most strict punishment it could....500k and the loss of a 1st rounder. When the rules were made it wasnt a given that a team would have two 1st rounders.

This is football people.....the top bread winner in the sporting world, it consumes men, children, and makes women cry for a decent part of the year.....so I promise you....the video tap is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the things these teams do and get away with.

Some of you insiders out there now more than your own fair share of stories that have been put to bed quitely during the Saints history in New Orleans.

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There's a difference between bending and flagrantly unacceptable. I'm not trying to be naive. There's no doubt every team does whatever it can to get an edge. But you've got to draw a line somewhere. And I think the Pats went past it, consistently.

We can't just say, oh well, we know everyone's cheating anyway, so it's ok for you to hire your own officiating crew for this game. What would be the point of even watching these games anymore? There's got to be a line drawn somewhere.

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you see,
this puts them filming at their first s.b.
and i would not doubt that they had film
throughout the yrs on teams they played
over and over and over....
an edge? well if i know what the other
team is gonna do on a given play hell yes
i'd say its an edge......
sure you gotta stop em, but at least you
know what you're stopping.....
this is organized cheating and whatever
respect i had for the patriots starting with
the coach is gone..
has'nt anyone had enough with american sports
and cheating?
it's become an acceptable way of life only because
we accept it.
again, maybe someday someone will have the balls.

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and here is more...............

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3227592

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and more.......
but let me ask you this....
if it was the saints in a superbowl lost to the patriots,
would you feel differently?

ESPN Page 2 - Easterbrook: NFL can blame itself for scandal's timing

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I will not tolerate it, even if it is the Falcons that are getting screwed. And that says a LOT, because everyone knows I sincerely detest those dirty buzzards. No Smitty, to make it worse, if I saw it happening to the Saints, I'd completely lose what little is left of my unstable mind.

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I say look at all the teams and everyone caught cheating has to forfeit every win period! A cheater is a cheater and I hope this report helps others to surface within the Patriots organization, as well as the entire nfl.

This report further taints anything that Bellicheat has done and everyone on the team. 19-0? YEAH, when you cheat.

The reason they are so much better than everyone else is because they have cheated for years and this season is the culmination of years of cheating.

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Word Cher. I don't think they can get away with it now, though. So if the Giants beat them tonight, then I think we've pretty much got proof they've had help to achieve all their laurels the last few seasons.

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and I was just reading a report on ESPN that said they video taped the entire walk through for the Rams before the 2002 Superbowl.

If half of the stuff is true their not 19-0 in my book that's for sure.

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Well... we now have the results.... and I think I stand by my post above.

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the only thing that will come from all of this is RADIO communication for the defense, just like the offense. Which by the way Bill has been pushing for three years now.
other than that who cares. As the other coaches say "they all do it"
Why do you think they have closed practices? They would do the same thing. It has always been apart of sports. Looking for the edge. No matter if it is a lean from an OLman to tip you of which direction the play was going or to taping. Why do you think teams sign players from other teams. Besides play, it is to pick their minds about the teams they just left. Thats a form of cheating too.
Just like digging through a garbage can. That I thought was funny. The Tuna,s butt in the air dumpster diving.

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The only question Hagan is - where do you draw the line? You can't allow everything. Shall fans just shoot opposing players when they come out onto the field? I mean, that would give a competitive advantage...

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LOL ethics.
Look I am not for it one bit. I am old fashion and hate cheaters. But I also know that is a fact and always will go on. As long as money is involved there is no reason to talk ethics. Today society rewards those who back stab and advance on un ethical partices. It is usually referred to as doing anything to get the job done.
Till the day when a mans hands handshake and his word is a measurement of his worth in this world, whats the point. Those days are long gone. So why get bent out of shape when the world has excepted the fact that most people can not be trusted to honest. Whats the point?
That is why I am not really emtional about this. I have :*****: for too many years already about this topic.

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I see your point, and it's a valid one. Regardless, I feel the Patriots uncanny performances over the last few years (to some extent) were due to their "slightly illegal" help from the video department. I think the game last night stands as evidence of that.

The most prolific offense in history... could only score 14 points... when there were no video tapes to help out.

I love it. The Dolphins record is secure. It would've been a travesty had the Cheatriots pulled it off.