Asante to Saints a "done deal"

SaintPauly · 02-27-2008, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

Ah come on, comparing Samuel to T.Jones is like comparing LSU to Tulane. (for those who are are little slow, Jones would be Tulane). Cancer Beater, "teaspoon in my boxers"? Never heard that one before. And for all you "a good cb doesn't matter unless you have good pass rushing DLineman and LB's, have you even considered that good corners give the pass rush that extra second or two to ACTUALLY get to the qb? If a qb sees his first read is covered, he than has to go through his check down process ie, he has to spend MORE time in the pocket enabling the pass rush that much more time to get to him. All this "if we don't get better DT's then it doesn't matter about what kind of corners you have" is hogwash. It is my contention that good corners make avg DT/DE and LB's look even better. DT are space eaters anyway.Now, if Charles Grant would give us ANY kind of consistant pass rush, it might just enable W.Smith's numbers to go up. Want to blame someone, Grant is a viable candidate.

I'm curious missile, have you ever seen a "running QB"? Do you remember how Vick used to run all over us? I seem to remember Vince Young doing the same thing. Would that have happened with a better LB corps? I think not.

Also curious, how many cb's cover rb's, fb's, or te's? Dump passes, and screens KILLED us in how many games this season? Opportunities opened up down the field, because our safeties were having to come up to help our linebackers, which also caused many big plays.

The year we went to the championship game, all of these same things rang true.

It seems to me, all you are worried about is long passing plays. Last time I checked, there are running plays, screens, dumps. Alot of things that happen, where the CB has no play on the ball at all. It takes more than one player to fix a team, thus the term team. And I will stand by my belief, that WITHOUT great players up front, even the best CBs are going to get burned. Hmmmm, does anyone know where Denver was ranked, in pass defense last season? Champ Bailey plays for them right?

BRSaintsFan · 02-27-2008, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

Yep, now I agree Grant is a better than avg run stoppping DE, however, if we had any LB's outside of Fujita who could make a play, we wouldn't have to rely on our DE's so much to play the run. Yeah, Grant is WAY overweight for me. Hell, I'd almost think of switching him to a guy like Tuck in NY. Move him inside as a pass rushing DT. Grant has the size to hold up on the inside and is quick enough to put moves on interior lineman. Might not be a bad idea.

I was thinking along the same lines. If we can get the deal done with Samuel and trade for Vilma or Ian Gold of Denver, then that gives us a little leeway to possibly draft a Vhernon Golston and move Grant inside on passing downs or even permanently. We could then address corner in the second round as this looks to be a deep corner draft.

Samuel and Vilma/Gold would add instant impact to our defense. There are certainly still upgrades to be made, but with those two, Grant, Smith, and few role players here and there, our defense could once again be at the least credible, if not better.

dwiley21 · 02-27-2008, 09:41 AM

That would be a dream signing! Now Get Vilma!!!

scott406 · 02-27-2008, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by dwiley21

That would be a dream signing! Now Get Vilma!!!

Unfortunately, The same website that is reporting Asante to the Saints is reporting Vilma to the Lions.

Which rumor would you rather be right?

"VILMA TO LIONS?

The New York Jets are shopping linebacker Jonathan Vilma, a 4-3 defender who has struggled in coach Eric Mangini's 3-4 system.

A league source tells us that the current favorites to land Vilma are the Lions.

Another question mark regarding Vilma is a knee injury that significantly limited him in 2007. If healthy, he's capable of creating real havoc."

02-27-2008, 07:22 PM	#1
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Asante to Saints a "done deal" Originally Posted by saintsmissile Ah come on, comparing Samuel to T.Jones is like comparing LSU to Tulane. (for those who are are little slow, Jones would be Tulane). Cancer Beater, "teaspoon in my boxers"? Never heard that one before. And for all you "a good cb doesn't matter unless you have good pass rushing DLineman and LB's, have you even considered that good corners give the pass rush that extra second or two to ACTUALLY get to the qb? If a qb sees his first read is covered, he than has to go through his check down process ie, he has to spend MORE time in the pocket enabling the pass rush that much more time to get to him. All this "if we don't get better DT's then it doesn't matter about what kind of corners you have" is hogwash. It is my contention that good corners make avg DT/DE and LB's look even better. DT are space eaters anyway.Now, if Charles Grant would give us ANY kind of consistant pass rush, it might just enable W.Smith's numbers to go up. Want to blame someone, Grant is a viable candidate. I'm curious missile, have you ever seen a "running QB"? Do you remember how Vick used to run all over us? I seem to remember Vince Young doing the same thing. Would that have happened with a better LB corps? I think not. Also curious, how many cb's cover rb's, fb's, or te's? Dump passes, and screens KILLED us in how many games this season? Opportunities opened up down the field, because our safeties were having to come up to help our linebackers, which also caused many big plays. The year we went to the championship game, all of these same things rang true. It seems to me, all you are worried about is long passing plays. Last time I checked, there are running plays, screens, dumps. Alot of things that happen, where the CB has no play on the ball at all. It takes more than one player to fix a team, thus the term team. And I will stand by my belief, that WITHOUT great players up front, even the best CBs are going to get burned. Hmmmm, does anyone know where Denver was ranked, in pass defense last season? Champ Bailey plays for them right?
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02-27-2008, 09:34 AM	#2
BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	Re: Asante to Saints a "done deal" Originally Posted by saintsmissile Yep, now I agree Grant is a better than avg run stoppping DE, however, if we had any LB's outside of Fujita who could make a play, we wouldn't have to rely on our DE's so much to play the run. Yeah, Grant is WAY overweight for me. Hell, I'd almost think of switching him to a guy like Tuck in NY. Move him inside as a pass rushing DT. Grant has the size to hold up on the inside and is quick enough to put moves on interior lineman. Might not be a bad idea. I was thinking along the same lines. If we can get the deal done with Samuel and trade for Vilma or Ian Gold of Denver, then that gives us a little leeway to possibly draft a Vhernon Golston and move Grant inside on passing downs or even permanently. We could then address corner in the second round as this looks to be a deep corner draft. Samuel and Vilma/Gold would add instant impact to our defense. There are certainly still upgrades to be made, but with those two, Grant, Smith, and few role players here and there, our defense could once again be at the least credible, if not better.

02-27-2008, 09:41 AM	#3
dwiley21 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 216	Re: Asante to Saints a "done deal" That would be a dream signing! Now Get Vilma!!!
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02-27-2008, 11:00 AM	#4
scott406 Registered Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Westbank Posts: 72	Re: Asante to Saints a "done deal" Originally Posted by dwiley21 That would be a dream signing! Now Get Vilma!!! Unfortunately, The same website that is reporting Asante to the Saints is reporting Vilma to the Lions. Which rumor would you rather be right? "VILMA TO LIONS? The New York Jets are shopping linebacker Jonathan Vilma, a 4-3 defender who has struggled in coach Eric Mangini's 3-4 system. A league source tells us that the current favorites to land Vilma are the Lions. Another question mark regarding Vilma is a knee injury that significantly limited him in 2007. If healthy, he's capable of creating real havoc."