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Hall, Asomugha and the Saints = ?
HALL DENIES THAT TRADE IS CLOSE
Posted by Mike Florio on March 15, 2008, 11:09 p.m. Amid reports that the Atlanta Falcons are close to trading cornerback DeAngelo Hall to the Oakland Raiders, Hall respectfully disagrees — and identifies the other teams at are or were in the hunt for services. “As of right now, we’re still at the same stages that I was at with every other team,” Hall said, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. “New York, Washington, Dallas, and Jacksonville. Nothing has been OK’d on my end. Unless they agreed to something that I don’t know about, but I don’t think no team is going to sign me without talking to me and getting everything right on my end.” Hall declined to confirm or deny that he was in Oakland on Friday to meet with Raiders officials. Per the AJC and others, the deal is indeed close. And the AJC says that the Falcons will get a second-round pick and a sixth-round pick in the 2008 draft. Since Hall is signed only through 2008, it’s likely that any team that acquires his services via trade will want to simultaneously extend his contract. Previously, there were rumors that Hall wanted a deal worth at least $10 million per year; the contract given by the Eagles to cornerback Asante Samuel on the first day of free agency averages $9.5 million annually. Ok we get rid of hall from the NFC south, thats a good thing. If this trade goes through it could make the draft on day one a terrible experience for the saints. The Falcons could move up in round 1 already and trade with Miami having two 2nd round picks already. I think DE Long would be the wise move here because they can then dump John Abraham who has been nothing short of a bust and a drain on the cap. The other problem is by adding a third pick in the second round and adding a CB to the Falcons draft day needs, they could take away from our choices in the secondary at our pick. This deal would give the Falcons two picks in the second round ahead of us. Now the fact that this is happening might bring a ray of hope to the saints at the CB postion. FREE ADVICE TO ASOMUGHA: SIGN YOUR TENDER Posted by Mike Florio on March 15, 2008, 11:16 p.m. With the Oakland Raiders closing in on a trade for cornerback DeAngelo Hall, which likely would also entail a big-money contract for the disgruntled Falcons, our guess is that the Raiders would then strip the exclusive franchise tag from cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha. But if Asomugha signs the one-year tender offer in an amount equal to the average of the five highest 2008 cap numbers for NFL cornerbacks, the tag is irrevocable — and the salary is fully guaranteed. So our free, unsolicited, and likely unwanted advice to Asomugha is to sign the tender. Right now. Three years ago, cornerback Charles Woodson http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2000108 from the Raiders by signing his franchise tender, presumably at a time when the team was thinking about removing it. If the franchise tag is rescinded, the player immediately becomes an unrestricted free agent. But since most of the big money already has flowed in free agency, Asomugha might be better off taking the one-year guarantee in 2008, and then hitting the open market in 2009. Permalink | Comments Back to Top If Asomugha does not act out the option of signing and goes the FA route that could be great news for the Saints. We are one of the few teams with cap room left to sign him. Who knows maybe he signs and Al puts him on the trading block. This is a move worth watching for all saints fans. Draft day is a month away and this could effect us greatly. All of this comes from ProFootballTalk.com - Rumor Mill Which as you know is not the greatest source but it does bring up thoughts on how this move will damage the saints in the draft. |
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If that is true, and the Franchise tag is removed I would be shocked if the Saints didn't jump all over signing this guy. He would be the best free agent to have hit the market this offseason (better than Asante Samuel and Briggs) and he is proven in man to man. Now that would be signing that would immediately vault us into being one of the elite teams, and allow us to definitely draft BPA. Lets cross our fingers.
By the way I hate all this theoretical stuff because it just gets my hopes up and then it never works out. But thanks for the post. Good find. Its definitely got me excited about the possibility |
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I really think we sign the guy. Then hope Dorsey or Ellis falls to us or draft Mendenhall.
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we would certianly have the money to spend but so would a few other teams as well
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Asomugha has had one good year (2006) and throwing a big deal might not be the best decision. I'm all for bringing in a dominant CB, but I hope the FO is smart about this. Don't let let CB situation cloud our judgment.
He has 9 int in the 54 games started. That's not exactly dominating numbers. |
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First, it means the opposition is not throwing your way. Second, every one of your teammates flat out suck, so the opposition isn't throwing much, period. We were very aggressive with Samuel, so I would not be at all surprised to see us pursue Asomugha. As Hagan said, with this scenario our draft picks are worth a little less if we are picking after Atlanta. If Oakland plays sign and trade, what will he cost us, a second ? |
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If we aggressively go after Asomugha & not DeAngelo Hall, I would have to lose faith in our scouting. Hall has put up Pro Bowl numbers year in & year out & has put himself in the top 5 CB's in the league playing man to man......Asomugha has not put up those numbers consistently. Granted....Oakland's defense is porous, but Atlanta's is no Super Bowl defense either.
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1. Champ Bailey 2. Nnamdi Asomugha 3. Antonio Cromartie (he's still young, and not in his prime) 4. Al Harris 5. Terrence Newman Behind Champ Bailey, Nnamdi Asomugha is the best corner in the NFL. And not only is he younger, but I think Asomugha is just an overall more complete corner. He is 6-2, 210, good against the run, and a lock down man cover corner. |
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That's a great question Waazup but the list you gave me to pick from isn't even the top 5 corners in the league. First off T. Newman shouldn't be on a list of the top corners in the league. He was great in college and I really thought he'd be a great pro but for some reason he never lived up to the hype. He is so much slower than he used to be. Al Harris isn't a top five guy and I wouldn't pick him because of his age. I think Champ is the best but as far as bringing a top corner to the Saints I'd rather have a younger guy. So as far as your list goes that leaves Cromartie and Asomugha. Cromartie is a freak and he'll probably have a great career but I'd be worried about injuries with him. Florida State fans will remember how frustrating he could be. When he's on the field he changes the game but he's been hurt alot. That leaves Asomugha and I'd do cartwheels if he came to the Saints!
Like I said Waazup, Asomugha is great. I'm a big fan of tall corners who can shut down one side of the field. I see where you're coming from on this one. |
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interceptions do not define a good/great corner.. it's more about passing yards givin up. asomugha is a very good cover corner, regardless how many INTS he has.
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FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Football analysis and NFL stats for the Moneyball era - Authors of Pro Football Prospectus 2008 The simple fact is that McKenzie is one of the best corners in the NFL and Jason David is the absolute worst. He's worse than throwing to a hold in the zone. Now that's bad. Maybe the numbers there can help the discussion. One interesting point there is that Ty Law was in real good shape. Isn't he still available? Maybe the Saints can sign him for a year as a stopgap. SFIAH |
Hall, Asomugha and the Saints = ?
Nnamdi Asomugha, CB Raiders has yet to sign his tender offer after he was slapped with the franchise tag by the Raiders; one suggestion is that if the DeAngelo Hall, ATL to OAK trade goes though that the Raiders could potential remove the franchise tag making him a UFA; in that scenario with most teams having spent their cap room already, you could see a team making some serious moves (release/cuts/restructuring) to grab this guy...
He's a Lafayette boy, sold out to geaux out da state though in college; but it would be an interesting homecoming if the Saints could make it happen... Among others, Florio has posted on his site, ProFootballTalk.com - Rumor Mill comments on the situation... Can't see a team tying up that much money on Both CB's, so who knows... |
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Asomugha is a great CB. Even if the Raiders land Hall, I don't really think they would let Asomugha go. Al Davis is getting very old and wants to right the ship a.s.a.p.
As far as the Saints going after Hall, that would be a complete waste of time. There is no way the Falcons would deal a pro bowl CB to a division rival, especially since part of the deal would pretty much have to include a contract extension. |
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No, my friend....what's funny is you hyping Asomugha as "arguably the best cornerback in the league" & "easily the best pure man cover in the league". Are you serious? How many Pro Bowls has he been to? How many years has he been in the league? You are entitled to your opinions, but I prefer the facts: Fact #1: D. Hall has been to more Pro Bowls. Fact #2: D. Hall has better stats over 5 years than Asomugha has in 6 years. Fact #3: While the Raiders have their problems, they have a solid pass rush. This makes it easier for a CB to cover in man to man. Fact #4: This is an important one....If Asomugha is so much better than D. Hall, why are the Raiders actively trying to get D. Hall & holding discussions on trading Asomugha. Are they trying to downgrade to win ball games? Look...I don't like D. Hall's personality. Hell....I didn't like "Prime Time's" personality. But....if the guy is good CONSISTENTLY (every year)....you've got to respect his play on the field. Sorry Waazup....D. Hall may be a big mouth, but he is a top 5 CB in the league. Asomugha barely breaks in the top 10. |
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Nnamdi is a solid CB worth mentioning in the top 10 in the NFL. So is Hall. Hall has the flair for the dramatics though. Hall is by no means what I would call a shut down CB. We never shied away from throwing to his side of the field.
The big difference between the two is this, Hall was known in college and Nmamdi was not. Hall had alot more hype around him and still does. He uses the media to keep his name alive in the press. he has the mouth and well simple put it puts him into the pro bowl more times than not. Fans vote because of name recognition not so much on how well a player is playing. We all sit and laugh about the pro bowl selections each year and now we are going to use it as a guide to rate these two? Please do not go there. I am more worried about the picks involved. If the falcons get 2 picks in the second ahead of us it will alter our choices greatly. They need DT and now they would add CB to the list. Atlanta picks in round 2 Tracy Porter Dre Moore The saints are now on the clock. Get the picture. To counter this possibility the best thing the saints could do is hope Nnamdi does not sign and we pick him up as a FA. That would remove the overall need at CB from the draft in the early rounds. As for DT well we would end up with ???? |
Deangelo Hall to the Raiders
Steve Wyche of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports that the much-anticipated Falcons-Raiders trade for cornerback DeAngelo Hall is essentially done.
The teams had already agreed that Atlanta would receive Oakland’s second- and sixth-round picks in the NFL draft, but the holdup had been whether the Raiders and Hall could reach an agreement on a long-term contract extension. Hall tells Wyche that the deal will get done. Thanks to the trade with the Raiders and a previous trade with the Houston Texans for quarterback Matt Schaub, the Falcons will have four of the first 48 picks in this year’s draft — their own first- and second-round picks and the Texans’ and Raiders’ second-round picks. ProFootballTalk.com - Rumor Mill |
Fabian Washington?
Davis believes in man-to-man cornerback play. Putting Hall at cornerback with Asomugha gives the Raiders their best man-to-man cornerback tandem since Charles Woodson and Eric Allen. In many ways, Davis is flashing back to the Mike Haynes-Lester Hayes days in making this trade. It probably means former first-round choice Fabian Washington will be traded.
John Clayton was speculating that on an ESPN article this morning but I dont know much of Fabian. I wouldnt think hed be that high of trade value and I believe that Oakland traded away all their picks but the first rounder. Does anyone know if he'd be worth looking into or an upgrade period? |
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His physical talents are worth drooling for. He's a bit raw, very young, but has plenty of upside. He's worth throwing a late round draft pick at.
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Fabian Washington
5-11, 185 Nebraska NFL Draft: 2005 / Round: 1 / Pick: 23 He recorded the fastest 40 yard dash at the 2005 NFL Combine with a time of 4.29 seconds.[1] In his first season Fabian Washington played all 16 games and recorded 40 tackles. In his second season with the Raiders, Washington played 14 games, had 43 tackles, 4 interceptions and helped Oakland to 3rd overall defense and 1st in pass defense. While having Randy Moss as a teammate for two years, Fabian Washington picked on him in First Team offense versus First team defense scrimmages. He recorded 11 picks while covering Randy Moss in practice on September 17th, 2006. Very few players can have an immediate impact as a true freshman, but that’s exactly what Washington did for the Huskers. He moved into the starting lineup three games into his freshman season, and did not give the job up. He set Nebraska freshman records for pass break ups with 13 and INT’s with 4. He was named to many freshmen All American lists for his play that season. As a sophomore, he had a career high 55 tackles to go with 4 interceptions. During his final season with the Huskers as a junior, he added 3 more interceptions to go with 41 tackles. In his three years, he had 38 passes broken up. Washington is a playmaker. He has a nose for the ball and makes a lot of plays. In three years, he totaled 10 interceptions to go with 38 pass break ups. He has awesome speed, is a great athlete, and can keep up with any receiver down the field. Despite being a true junior, he has started over 30 games in the Big 12, and should be able to make an impact immediately in the NFL, to go with a lot of untapped potential. Even with his experience on the field, Washington does need some work. His body could use a few extra pounds, and that will come with simple maturation over the next couple years. Fabian Washington has big time upside at the next level. He has great cover skills and is a playmaker with awesome speed. With a little time, he may be one of the better cover corners in the league. He’ll probably start out right away as a nickel because the kid can play now, but he’s going to need a little time to be a full time starter. After his combine showing, Washington should hear his name called at the end of the first. If he lasts into the second, he won’t be around long. Fabian Washington - 2005 NFL Draft Prospects Raiders' Fabian Washington charged with domestic battery ESPN - Raiders' Fabian Washington charged with domestic battery - NFL Fabian Washington: Career Stats BIO: Three-year starter awarded varying degrees of All-Conference honors since his freshman campaign. Finished with 41/3/15 as a junior. Sophomore totals included 55/10/4. POSITIVES: Non-aggressive cover corner best backed off the line of scrimmage. Smooth backpedaling in reverse, loses nothing transitioning to run with opponents and fast in any direction of the field. Patient, quickly diagnoses plays and stays with the action. Fluid in all aspects and, at the same time, explosive. Displays a quick break on the pass, has a burst of closing speed, and can adjust or contort to make the interception. Fundamentally sound and shows excellent hands for the pick. NEGATIVES: Not the first volunteer in run support and would rather knock down than wrap up the ballcarrier. Bites on receivers' moves and gets beat. ANALYSIS: A fast corner who flashes on the scene, Washington's skills and playing style are best suited for a zone system or in man-off coverage. Needs to physically mature and add strength, yet could eventually develop into a starting cornerback or productive nickel player at the next level. PROJECTION: Late First Round SI.com - 2005 NFL Draft - Fabian Washington Pass I do not think he is the guy we need out on an island. If need be save the cash and go after Asomugha or another in 2009. |
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The Raiders already made Gibril Wilson the league's third-highest-paid safety when they signed him to a six-year pact worth $39 million, $16 million guaranteed. Cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha was designated the Raiders' franchise player, guaranteeing him a one-year salary of at least $9.465 million. Safety Michael Huff, the team's first-round pick in 2006, received a contract that year with $15 million guaranteed; it reportedly could be worth up to $43 million with incentives.
The Raiders' payroll reportedly is $137 million, $21 million above the salary cap. The Raiders also have the fourth pick in next month's draft and figure to a pay a large sum to that player. The Raiders are believed to be shopping cornerback Fabian Washington, a 2005 first-round pick who lost his starting job last season. The team also could cut backup players with big salaries, such as running back LaMont Jordan and safety Stuart Schweigert, and designate them post-June 1 cuts, lessening the hit on the 2008 cap. Cutting a player before June 1 would count for this year's cap. The Raiders also could renegotiate current players' contracts to help with the salary cap. |
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Hall couldn't keep his composure against Steve Smith, who was having a bad year along with Carolina, because he was getting smoked in man to man.
DeAngelo Hall is overrated. PERIOD. Team INT's = Great Individual INT's with Porous Pass D = Selfish Keep Stats in Perspective |
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stats are stats...and thats it
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I agree DeAngelo Fall is way overated just ask T.O.
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