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pakowitz 03-19-2008 11:01 PM

SportsNation NFL Mock Draft
 
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foreverfan 03-20-2008 07:55 AM

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Looks like Cinny is going to talk Ellis. I going with Leodis McKelvin.

cajunasian61 03-20-2008 08:37 AM

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I know this isn't going to be a popular choice, but I wouldn't be surprised if the saints went with Clady with their selection. If you think about it, it makes sense. They only have Stinch for one more year, and he hasn't been that great, so drafting a promising young OT would be the best way to replace Stinch, who I do not see the Saints resigning beyond this year.

I mean I would be happy if the Saints drafted any of the CBs or Rivers, I just feel like their is more potential for a bust when drafting a CB at 10 than when drafting an OT. Also both the LB position and CB position is very deep in this draft. Hopefully we just make the right choice, whoever that might be

foreverfan 03-20-2008 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by cajunasian61 (Post 158769)
I know this isn't going to be a popular choice, but I wouldn't be surprised if the saints went with Clady with their selection. If you think about it, it makes sense. They only have Stinch for one more year, and he hasn't been that great, so drafting a promising young OT would be the best way to replace Stinch, who I do not see the Saints resigning beyond this year.

Protecting Brees, more running lanes for Bush, maybe start his rookie season, not a bad choice.

papz 03-20-2008 11:39 AM

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I went for McKelvin.

LordOfEntropy 03-20-2008 12:50 PM

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Interesting to note that LA was the --ONLY-- state that chose McKelvin. Everyone else chose Talib or Rivers. Interesting.

Still, there was no "trade down" option there, but there should've been.

FireVenturi 03-20-2008 02:55 PM

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Talib? good that just means we wont take him, I would actually prefer any of the other options over him.

pakowitz 03-20-2008 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsmissile (Post 158789)
If we draft an OT with the 10th pick, just go ahead and shoot me right now! Better yet, go ahead and shoot the entire front office! We draft an OT with this pick and we better start looking for a new coach right now. Answer me this Batman, how many offensive lineman do we need? First year under Payton, we drafted Evans and Strief. Second year, Alleman and Bushrod. Not to mention, you already have a young, all pro in Brown. Seems to me, we could pick up a decent backup OT after June 1st cutdown or trades. To WASTE a #10 pick on an OT when we have one of the worst defense/ secondaries in the league would be just plain ridiculous.

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dude.. do you seriously believe that if we draft someone on defense they are automatically just gonna come in and dominate? its not going to happen..

you keep forgetting that you build your future through the draft.. not your present.. you cant expect rookies to come in and be probowlers

LordOfEntropy 03-20-2008 08:24 PM

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Well, that's a good point Pak. But there's another angle to it also - when you're drafting in the top ten, there's often a chance to get a true difference maker that has an effect immediately. So I think what he said has some merit.

But... to backtrack.... personally, I don't think we can get a REAL difference maker on defense at 10 this year, not one that would have an overwhelming defensive effect immediately. Other years may be different. But with Dorsey gone by the time we pick, I think we should go for maximum "almost" overwhelming talents, because the difference in potential down below that is much closer together in the defensive players available. I think Dorsey is the better one gap tackle, the real gem that'd work for our needs, better than Ellis. Dorsey would make a difference right away. Ellis is just short of that IMO. But really, it doesn't matter - they'll both be gone by the time we pick. So.... trade it away.

If we could get Dorsey with that pick, I'd say differently. But it won't happen. The difference between all the players at 10 is not worth the trade value, IMO. So trade down, just improve our obviously bad positions like FS. and maximize the number of picks we could get.

If and when some desirable player falls, it could play into our interest, because others might be salivating to get him.

pakowitz 03-20-2008 08:35 PM

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i understand and agree with you LOE but everyone seems to think that we MUST draft Defense and we dont.. there are very few players every year who have the ability to just come in and be a huge factor.. there are about 4-5 corners in this draft who have the chance to be good players but that doesnt mean that they will come in and set the league on fire... if we did get a corner.. you can bet that if he was starting, every single team we play will be throwing his way...

cajunasian61 03-21-2008 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsmissile (Post 158789)
If we draft an OT with the 10th pick, just go ahead and shoot me right now! Better yet, go ahead and shoot the entire front office! We draft an OT with this pick and we better start looking for a new coach right now. Answer me this Batman, how many offensive lineman do we need? First year under Payton, we drafted Evans and Strief. Second year, Alleman and Bushrod. Not to mention, you already have a young, all pro in Brown. Seems to me, we could pick up a decent backup OT after June 1st cutdown or trades. To WASTE a #10 pick on an OT when we have one of the worst defense/ secondaries in the league would be just plain ridiculous.

*DISCLAIMER* This post does not reflect the opinions of this site, it's other posters or the opinions of the New Orleans Saints.

Come on Missile, I said the pick wouldn't be popular (and in my opinion is highly unlikely), but if you really think about it the pick makes a lot of sense. For one we drafted Alleman and Bushrod as projects, while if we drafted Clady or any OT at #10 it would be with the intention to come right in and be plugged into the starting lineup. A future pro bowler perhaps (a lot better than picking up a "decent backup OT after June 1st cutdowns or trades). I'm also pretty positive that Drew Brees likes seeing that the FO is investing money in a solid OL. And lets face it no matter who we draft on Defense our team still lives and dies with Drew Brees.

I agree with you about the poor defense/secondary play. I was as pissed off as any of you. But I feel that CB/LB is a deep position in this years draft and good players can be found in the later rounds. None of these CBs that are being mentioned are sure things by any means.

Oh by the way, I picked Rivers in the SportsNation poll, so chill out, I apparently would draft a defensive player too.

pakowitz 03-21-2008 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsmissile (Post 158868)
Okie Doke, Rivers I like. I understand your arguement, but again I say with Brown and Stinchcomb that picking a guy like Clady would not make much sense. The kid, like Alleman, Strief and Bushrod before him, would be languishing on the bench.



actually i think it makes plenty of sense.. Clady has the talent and experience to come in an play right away at LT allowing the saints to move jammal brown back to his natural position at RT. Brown has always been uncomfortable at LT, even in his probowl year but he really struggled last year for what reason i dont know.. an injury maybe.. im not sure.. but he had problems, getting multiple false start calls at critical times.. and u could just see it coming too.. the saints would be moving down the field.. there goes the whistle. false start #70..

and stinch.. well that dude hasnt really done anything since hes been in the league.. didnt play the first 2 seasons.. then finally gets in and plays descent.. his run blocking is pretty horrible though and brees is always being pressured from his side.. i can only say that he has the talent of a backup and thats what he should be...

now im not saying that Clady will be a beast but he will be able to play right away, which you cant say for all the corners and it will help our offense


yes i know we have a good offense and we score alot of points but you cant be complacent where we are at on offense either.... theres always room for improvement on both sides on the ball and adding a real LT will make our good offensive line even better giving brees even more time and allowing him to be the accurate passer that he is...

pakowitz 03-21-2008 11:02 AM

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wow.. did u even read my post...

yes brown is uncomfortable at LT.. he even said so himself... and yes he went to a probowl.. and it is my belief that he was voted in b/c our offense was in beastmode in 2006 and he got the benefit of that...




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Wasting a #10 pick on a kid who might not play for two years and then be a free agent after his 3rd, possibly fourth season just doesn't make sense to me.
this right here shows me u dont know much about what u are talking about...
first round picks generally sign 6-7 year deals...


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btw, Clady played for who? Boise State? Not really stoked about letting a guy who has virtually played against noone protect our franchise qb's backside
yea b/c every great NFL player came from a big time college... wow..


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You're going to take a top 10 pick on a OT he damn well better be a franchise type OT and Clady is certainly not that
and you know this b/c he played at boise st.? oh wait.. maybe its cuz he isnt projected to be in the top 5? please... 30 NFL teams attended the Boise St Pro day to check him out, and he turned in arguably the best OT workout so far this year... but he isnt a franchise left tackle, according to you.. maybe its cuz ur a scout.. who knew?!!?

foreverfan 03-21-2008 06:26 PM

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How would taking him be a wasted pick? Games are won in the trenches and the kid may turn out to solve your RT position for 10+ years.

HUSKER 03-22-2008 03:41 AM

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Clady is fine with me.


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