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hagan714 04-01-2008 08:42 AM

I say skip round 1 all together.
 
I say trade pick #10 for a #1 next year and a second or third rounder this year or maybe a a first rounder at the bottom of the draft.
This draft is way to over rated and over hyped in an attempt to cover up how weak this years first round is. I want leverage for next years draft. That class will out shine this years hands down in the first round.

Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
Height: 6'3 - Weight: 222
His numbers are inflated by Texas Tech's system, but Crabtree is a Calvin Johnson-esque type of talent. He has the size, speed and hands to be a number one receiver in the NFL.

Michael Oher, OT, Ole Miss
Height: 6'5 - Weight: 325
Michael Oher is a big physical tackle, who would have been a first round draft pick this year.

Tim Tebow, QB, Florida
Height: 6'3 - Weight: 235
Tebow looked good throwing the ball last season, but needs to prove he can sit in the pocket most downs and throw the ball accurately.

Chris Wells, RB, Ohio State
Height: 6'1 - Weight: 225
Wells has the size and speed to be a feature back in the NFL. He will be a top ten pick in 2009.

Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State

Height: 6'1 - Weight: 202
Malcolm Jenkins would have been a first rounder in 2008, but came back to chase a National Title. He's got outstanding size and speed, and can play man, press, and zone.

Al Woods, NT, LSU
Height: 6'5 - Weight: 324
Al Woods is the only true nose tackle on this list. He's big, and has a good motor. Woods will help any 3-4 defense at the nose tackle.

George Selvie, DE/OLB, South Florida
Height: 6'4 - Weight: 255
George Selvie will have to move to outside linebacker in the NFL. He could turn out to be one of the better 3-4 pass rushers in the NFL, if he continues to improve.

Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois

Height: 6'0 - Weight: 205
Davis is a blur for his size. He can press receivers as well as anyone in this class, because he has the speed to recover if he's beat.

James Laurinaitis, MLB, Ohio State
Height: 6'3 - Weight: 244
Laurinaitis would have been a top 15 pick in 2008, but went back to chase the National Title. He's outstanding against the run and the pass, and is always in position to make a play.

Rey Maualuga, MLB, USC
Height: 6'3 - Weight: 252
Maualaga also would have been a first round pick this year. He's not quite as technical as Laurinaitis, but he's way more physical.

Sean Lee, OLB, Penn State
Height: 6'2 - Weight: 232
Sean Lee is following in the footsteps of Posluszny and Connor. He's not the flashiest guy, he just racks up tackles.

William Moore, FS, Missouri

Height: 6'1 - Weight: 215
William Moore is an outstanding playmaker in the secondary. He's fantastic at playing center field and jumping routes to pick off passes.

Sen'Derrick Marks, DT, Auburn

Height: 6'1 - Weight: 291
Yet another quick defensive tackle, who would fit perfectly into a cover 2 scheme.

Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia
Height: 5'11 - Weight: 207
Moreno reminds me of a Mike Hart type of running back. He's not the strongest guy or the fastest, but put him in pads and he'll get the job done.

Darry Beckwith, MLB, LSU
Height: 6'1 - Weight: 232
Beckwith is a solid linebacker, but will have to move outside in the NFL. He plays inside out of necessity at LSU.

Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech
Height: 6'7 - Weight: 250
Michael Johnson has good speed, but lacks a true NFL position. He'll need to bulk up his 6'7 frame to play defensive end in the pros.

Taylor Mays, SS, USC
Height: 6'4 - Weight: 225
Taylor Mays' combination of size and speed is almost unbelievable. He can get in the box and stop the run, but is just as good in coverage.

Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU
Height: 6'5 - Weight: 292
Jackson is a huge defensive end who can play in the 4-3 or the 3-4.

Myron Rolle, SS, Florida State
Height: 6'2 - Weight: 215
Myron Rolle is the most technically sound saftey in this group. He doesn't make mistakes, and hits much harder than his size would indicate.

Alex Mack, C, California
Height: 6'5 - Weight: 300
Alex Mack would have been the top center in 2008, if he hadn't decided to return to California.

Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
Height: 6'3 - Weight: 195
Heyward-Bey is the second best receiver in this class, and we haven't even scratched the surface yet. The sky is the limit for this prospect.

C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson
Height: 5'11 - Weight: 190
Spiller is the fastest running back in this class. He will be at his best as part of a tandem back system in the NFL. He can also return kicks, and is an excellent third down option.

Duke Robinson, G, Oklahoma
Height: 6'5 - Weight: 330
Duke Robinson couyld have been the top guard taken in the 2008 draft, if he entered. Robinson will be a force on the interior for whatever team drafts him.

Fili Moala, DT, USC
Height: 6'4 - Weight: 295
Moala has good speed and pass rushing moves at the defensive tackle position. He tops the list because he can play in the cover two, the 4-3, or play end in the 3-4.

Matt Stafford, QB, Georgia
Height: 6'3 - Weight: 237
Matthew Stafford has all the physical attributes you look for in an NFL quarterback. Like Cantwell and Tebow he just needs to show he can get the job done consistently.

Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
Height: 6'1 - Weight: 185
Maclin will make some team a nice number two receiver, or possibly a slot man. He will however, be a huge factor in the return game.

Herman Johnson, G, LSU
Height: 6'7 - Weight: 351
By far and away the biggest guard on this list, Johnson is an imposing figure on the interior.

Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma
Height: 6'8 - Weight: 352
Loadholt is a huge tackle, who could develop into one of the best tackle in the NFL.

Percy Harvin, WR, Florida
Height: 5'11 - Weight: 181
Harvin might be the next Steve Smith. He's the kind of receiver that doesn't have to run a deep route to get the ball down field.

Brian Cushing, OLB, USC:
Height: 6'4 - Weight 245
Brian Cushing is a big outside linebacker, with great speed. He can play inside and out, and is equally adept at blitzing and dropping into coverage.

Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
Height: 6'5 - Weight: 333
Smith is extremely quick for his size. He's slowly lost a lot of weight in Nick Saban's new work out program, which has benefited his play

Kam Chancellor, SS, Virginia Tech
Height: 6'3 - Weight: 220
Chancellor is a lot like Taylor Mays. He's a huge safety with ridiculous speed for his size. He needs just a little work on his coverage, but he'll be an early pick.

I did little or no work getting this list. Much better selection. There are names left off of here that I think should be on this list of the first round mock from WalterFootball.com: 2009 NFL Mock Draft

Skip the pick and save the cap room for next year. We have some RFA and UFA in 2009 we must keep. They will not be cheap. Then we have leverage in a much better first round than this years.

papz 04-01-2008 08:50 AM

Re: I say skip round 1 all together.
 
I rather contend this year then worry about next year's draft. There are still plenty of holes and depth issues on our team this year that need to be addressed. Waiting next year will only lengthen our chances in getting into a Superbowl. We're not in the league of the Pats and Colts... winning organizations that could afford to do something like this.

I also want to say just as easy as it is to be ranked on any kind of top prospect list for next year, it's just as easy to fall out of it. Some good examples from last year's list without looking it up are Ali Highsmith, Early Doucet, and Lawrence Jackson, Antoine Cason ... I'm sure there are plenty others.

TheDeuce 04-01-2008 09:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papz (Post 160092)
I rather contend this year then worry about next year's draft. There are still plenty of holes and depth issues on our team this year that need to be addressed. Waiting next year will only lengthen our chances in getting into a Superbowl. We're not in the league of the Pats and Colts... winning organizations that could afford to do something like this.

I also want to say just as easy as it is to be ranked on any kind of top prospect list for next year, it's just as easy to fall out of it. Some good examples from last year's list without looking it up are Ali Highsmith, Early Doucet, and Lawrence Jackson, Antoine Cason ... I'm sure there are plenty others.

Good post, and I completely agree on both points. I honestly believe that depending on who we get, there's a chance it would help push us over the top and get to the promised land.

LordOfEntropy 04-01-2008 11:48 AM

Re: I say skip round 1 all together.
 
Let's contend this year.

But trading away this year's pick for a first round pick next year could be very dangerous. Why? -- because our pick (#10) this year is high in the draft order, and could easily turn into a much lower pick next year based on that team's performance (and you never know with some teams). I'd sure hate to see a #10 turn into a #29.

But I'm in agreement with the other points, I think trading down this year is a fantastic option.

papz 04-01-2008 11:55 AM

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I'm definitely in favor of trading down and acquiring more picks... as long as we get the right value back for the picks. Unless it's Oakland, we have no idea what a team's future first would be in order to get the right picks back in return (pretty much what LOE said).

I remember smitty making a thread about trading our first for their three second round picks this year... I was tempted by that though. However obtaining the Cowboys' 2 first rounders would be much better.

Euphoria 04-01-2008 12:18 PM

Re: I say skip round 1 all together.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 160091)
I say trade pick #10 for a #1 next year and a second or third rounder this year or maybe a a first rounder at the bottom of the draft.
This draft is way to over rated and over hyped in an attempt to cover up how weak this years first round is. I want leverage for next years draft. That class will out shine this years hands down in the first round.


I can totally support this. I don't see us getting the greatest value from this year's class unless we are able to snage a top 6 pick with #10. There are to many options that trading back is perhaps the best thing to do... putting it off till next year once we see how the FA's pan out and development of last year's draft works out. We can stock pile picks in next years draft in case the sky falls on us again.

2 first rounders next year, I like it!

Euphoria 04-01-2008 12:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papz (Post 160102)
I'm definitely in favor of trading down and acquiring more picks... as long as we get the right value back for the picks. Unless it's Oakland, we have no idea what a team's future first would be in order to get the right picks back in return (pretty much what LOE said).

I remember smitty making a thread about trading our first for their three second round picks this year... I was tempted by that though. However obtaining the Cowboys' 2 first rounders would be much better.

The problem I am seeing is that there aren't to many teams willing to trade up into the first round especially top 5 much less the top 10. $$$ for these players who haven't even tried on an NFL jersay yet.

I feel we may have to take someone at 10 because no one else wants to.

Nemesis 04-01-2008 12:31 PM

Re: I say skip round 1 all together.
 
I'd prefer using this season to groom our new CB and other picks. This team should be playoff bound with merely healthy LB additions next season. Another draft and experienced young CBs could mean a serious run after this season.

papz 04-01-2008 12:36 PM

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I was thinking along the same lines also Nemesis.

The money given to the picks after 7 aren't that far apart Euph.

ssmitty 04-01-2008 02:30 PM

Re: I say skip round 1 all together.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by papz (Post 160102)
I'm definitely in favor of trading down and acquiring more picks... as long as we get the right value back for the picks. Unless it's Oakland, we have no idea what a team's future first would be in order to get the right picks back in return (pretty much what LOE said).

I remember smitty making a thread about trading our first for their three second round picks this year... I was tempted by that though. However obtaining the Cowboys' 2 first rounders would be much better.

well speak of the devil, (dallas , that is......)
i just read in todays paper that jones may be willing to part with one of those 1st rounders for a proven wide reciever.........
can you say, devery?

saintsfan1976 04-01-2008 02:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ssmitty (Post 160117)
well speak of the devil, (dallas , that is......)
i just read in todays paper that jones may be willing to part with one of those 1st rounders for a proven wide reciever.........
can you say, devery?

Now Devery has skills, but what EXACTLY has he "proven".... Other than the fact that he has stone hands??

WhoDatQB 04-01-2008 03:52 PM

Re: I say skip round 1 all together.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 160103)
I can totally support this. I don't see us getting the greatest value from this year's class unless we are able to snage a top 6 pick with #10. There are to many options that trading back is perhaps the best thing to do... putting it off till next year once we see how the FA's pan out and development of last year's draft works out. We can stock pile picks in next years draft in case the sky falls on us again.

2 first rounders next year, I like it!

I doubt anyone will be willing to trade up to the top 10. However if they guy we want isn't worth the #10 money then just do not pick. Let you time expire and let a couple of other teams go ahead of you and then slide your pick up there whenever you are wanting to take your guy.

I highly doubt this will work and although it sounds good, then the next thing you have is everyone doing this. Plus some jackass agent will be pulling the you wanted my player when it wasyour pick at 10 and you have to pay him 10 money

papz 04-01-2008 03:59 PM

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NFL first-round signings - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

Once again... money isn't going to be the issue after 7.

johnnythesaint13 04-01-2008 04:37 PM

Re: I say skip round 1 all together.
 
My 2 Cents -

1. See if we could Trade 1st round picks with NYG in exchange for Shockey

2. Trade #31 pick overall (received from NYG) to Titans for Haynesworth...

Haynesworth & Shockey have contract issues/personal issues with their teams management, and we could benefit from 2 pro-bowl caliber players, and it would only cost us the #10 pick overall...

Euphoria 04-01-2008 05:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papz (Post 160128)
NFL first-round signings - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

Once again... money isn't going to be the issue after 7.

Whats the point? Teams don't want to have to fork over more money on a weak draft class. Its going to be very difficult to find teams that will move up and take someone that maybe isn't worth the money. Some players are going to get paid more than they are worth even if they slide. Its a hard pill this year for teams to swallow, even if the money is an extra 5-6 millions which is a lot.

SapperSaint 04-01-2008 08:57 PM

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Hagan, I have thought about this very same thing. I really don't see the person we draft this year in the first round being the "Final" brick in the wall, to all our Superbowl run. Very good post Hagan. I sick of all the draft hype. I really wish they would move it up to the 1st weekend in March.

thesaintsfan 04-01-2008 09:00 PM

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I don't know about skipping the first round this year but hagan is right about next year's class, it will be loaded. It would be nice to have a couple of first rounders next year but we need an impact player this year because I think we're close. Yeah, I said it, we are close!

Belair57 04-01-2008 10:05 PM

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Nice post..I agree with the OP. This class does seem very over rated , and if your not picking in the top 4, it just doesnt seem worth the money for the position you will draft.

papz 04-01-2008 10:13 PM

Re: I say skip round 1 all together.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 160137)
Whats the point? Teams don't want to have to fork over more money on a weak draft class. Its going to be very difficult to find teams that will move up and take someone that maybe isn't worth the money. Some players are going to get paid more than they are worth even if they slide. Its a hard pill this year for teams to swallow, even if the money is an extra 5-6 millions which is a lot.

My point was clearly made... I'm not sure I can break it down anymore for you.

No one knows whether this is a "weak" or "overrated" draft class or not... just because it supposely lacks the big name talent, doesn't mean it's going to be weak. Prematurely labeling the draft class weak w/o them even playing a single game doesn't make any sense.

Belair57 04-02-2008 12:18 AM

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I only say that because I am never right about any player....and I think highly of several this year, that means that they wont be worth jack @#!%

LordOfEntropy 04-02-2008 01:16 PM

Re: I say skip round 1 all together.
 
I don't think they'd part with a 1st for Devery. Hell, I sure wouldn't. No way.

But trading down with Dallas? Sure. But who would Dallas want at #10? Nobody I can see. No, I wouldn't do it if I were them.

beauchristopher 04-03-2008 08:27 AM

Re: I say skip round 1 all together.
 
I AGREE 100 PERCENT. I ACTUALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY.. Trade this 1st round for a first round next year.. and to have 2 first rounders next year in a much MUCH MUCH deeper first round class would be awesome!! i'm not saying this years class isn't good.. bc i believe there is GREAT value in the 2nd-5th rounds.. but not any worthy value in the mid first round like their will be next year.


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