Looking more and more like D-tackle first pick
 

With just about every position on defense being addressed since the start of free agency except for d-tackle, it looks like thats the direction we will go with the first pick.Whats your take ?

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Unless Ellis or Dorsey falls a dt will not be drafted untill round two.

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DT Trevor Laws Notre Dame. Coach O like fast guys. But not with the first pick. Third round maybe.

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Trevor Laws blows, no offense QBREES9. I wouldn't want any part of that Notre Dame team, especially an undersized, overachieving defensive tackle who, what do you know, is just like Brian Young.

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Husker's right, there isn't a DT worth taking in the top ten after Dorsey and Ellis. As a matter of fact I don't know if there's another DT in this draft that I would take in the first round after those two.

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Ellis or Dorsey, if not I like dre moore in the 2nd.....just no Balmer!!

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I don't know. I really hope the Saints don't think that signing a 14 year, 5'8" corner is going to solve their secondary problem. I'm wondering if they signed Glenn to be a mentor to whatever corner they take in the first. Hopefully. We need some new, young blood.

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no way unless Ellis or Dorsey falls to ten there taking Rivers.....

but in the 2 are 3 round they could take a DT like Trevor Laws

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Really looks like it now after hearing we want to trade up with the Rams to get Dorsey.

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trevor laws(6'304) is almost the exact same size as dorsey(6'1 297lbs), had a faster 40 and shuttle time, and performed at a similar level with out all the help dorsey had around him. i'm not going to say that laws is equal to dorsey at this time, but laws in the second round is a MUCH better value than trading multiple picks and/or players for dorsey.

dorsey: 5.12 40yrd dash
Year GP TKL TFL SACK
2004 11 18 2.0 0.0
2005 13 28 4.0 3.0
2006 13 64 8.5 3.0
2007 14 69 12.5 7.0
Totals 51 179 27.0 13.0

laws: 5.06 40yrd dash
Year GP TKL TFL SACK
2004 12 17 2.0 1.0
2005 12 33 3.0 1.5
2006 13 62 9.5 3.5
2007 12 112 8.0 4.0
Totals 49 224 22.5 10.0

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I like Pat Sims from Auburn. But man do I want Xavier Adibi. Would Sims fall to the third? He was a 2nd rounder but I dont know lately.

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Round one DT with a trade wont happen
Round two without trading down wont happen. atlanta at 3 will govern the DT available in 2. They have two picks ahead of us and DT will happen in those three picks.

Round three. now we are talking.
Red Bryant, Texas A&M, 6041, 318, 5.04
Ahtyba Rubin, Iowa St., 6027, 315, 5.17
DeMario Pressley, North Carolina St., 6031, 301, 5.14

Round 4
Andre Fluellen, Florida St., 6019, 296, 5.00
Nick Hayden, Wisconsin, 6039, 291, 5.17

Round 5
Frank Morton, Tulane, 6020, 331, 5.35

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We don't need value, we need an impact player. Our entire 2007 draft was value. How many of them even played a down, or even dressed? Our best rookie was a FA.

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Most of the draft in 2007 was offense right. In 2006 we drafted offense and got a boat load of starters. So is it really surprising that the next group drafted would have a harder time getting playing time? NO. What we did was get some good depth and players to develop so when the contracts for Stinch and a couple of others run out in 2009 we have players ready to step in. Granted we did not see them play much in 2007 but we will see them on the field in 2008. The team really has no choice but to play them and see what they have to pick from in 2009. Next year is going to be very interesting on how the OL is shaped for years to come.
Give the draft class of 2007 till the end of the year, then pass judgment.

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If the aforementioned trade doesnt happen and we can not get Dorsey or Ellis, then IMO there are no other impact players that can crack the lineup. I think a guy like Pressley or Fluellen from this group could get some time in the rotation. I also think that you mentioned Guion in another post and I think that he would be a good backup to groom into the position. But there will not be much of an impact at DT from the draft without Dorsey or Ellis.

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Looks like Ellis and Shockey. Not bad. Two difference makers on both sides of the field.

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You forgot Mendeeeeeeeeee, babyyyy!


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Rubin in the 3rd would be perfect. He is ne of the best run stuffers in the draft. I watched the Senior Bowl practices and I was never impressed with Fluellen. So if I could have a perfect draft without trading it would be DRC, Xavier Adibi, than Rubin.

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That is my point as well- we drafted for depth, not production. The unfortunate end result last year was that we didn't draft the type of player who could get us over the hump, ie Dorsey.
The original argument in the thread was draft Laws over Dorsey, for the sake of taking value.

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To hell with run stuffers. We have that and it hasn't done well for us. We need young, dominate, inside pass rushers. Get to the QB disrupt the offense.

DRC has done what his whole college career? He was off the radar till the Senior Bowl. One dame doesn't warrant a top 10 pick.

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I like Pat Sims in the second round. Nice compliment to Young, and would be a nice alternate to Thomas.

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I've actually seen DRC play in real life. I live a couple of hours away from the college. Trust me, he is good. One problem I don't like is he tries to be physical sometimes too much. And I know we tried the fat experiment. But I still like Rubin. Double teamed alot.

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In real life... is there another life to see him in???

The only case I can see someone making for why we should draft a potential sleeper pick with the 10th pick is who he is related to and through in the Mannings in the post. He isn't even rated as number at his position.

I know people have agenda's wanting there favs drafted but top 10 pick we need someone to come in, start and dominate from day one. No someone who is going to have to develop.

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I meant instead of listening to what scouts think I actually saw him. True I haven't watched the others and he was going against lower competition, but he is fluid in his back peddleing, good break on the ball, and breaks passes up. Honestly I'd love to have Antione Cason before DRC too but thats because he is solid but no more room to grow. But with DRC when he adds some weight and all, he will be really good.

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I respect your opinon but I still have Rivers over him anyday!

But the topic - being DT... I'd give up a second to go get him (DORSEY) at 2.

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me to but if atlanta does not go DT in one they will pick him in round 2.

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But do you think if we traded our second in a deal for Dorsey we would swing a deal to get another 2nd? I think this draft is solid in the 2-4 rounds at our positions of need. Going by draft classes, I would agree to get Rivers because LB is thinner than CB and DT (but Xavier in the secound is perfect :))

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Lane (Kukuihaele, HI): Do you think Pat Sims is a better fit for Atlanta's defensive scheme over Glenn Dorsey?

Todd McShay: No. Not even close. Similar styles but that's like comparing a porsche to a mazda miata... Plus, Sims is slipping due to character concerns. He will probably slide to Day 2.