Re: texans take a swipe at reggie......
 

its easier to speculate and make predictions than it is to guarentee something....ru speculating or ru guarenteeing?

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nah homie, i'm not. i have proof on my side, you're just speculating. you're wrong.

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what i think happened is that reggie wanted a lot of money....the texans tried to deal with him but couldnt so they moved on to mario williams....had that deal not worked out im sure they would've gone back to picking reggie with the first pick...since mario didnt want to be a second pick he made the deal happen and now he is sitting pretty with a pro-bowl caliber performance last year....they have every right to knock reggie.....he hasnt shown up yet....while i think its childish....i think its long overdue

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no, thats not what happened lol. the texans had a deal worked out with both of the players. period.

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alright then man i gotta ask...where is ur proof....u been talking like u know what its about...now u gotta put up or shut up...no offense...i think you're out there in left field tho

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like i said, their gm said so on nfl network recently.

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ok well assuming one doesnt have NFL network....and assuming that everything that everbody says in the NFL is true....where would one go to find such a statement? i.e. a link perhaps?

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i could try and find it if i can remember what they were discussing lolol

i think they were talking to him about pre draft contracts if u have the #1 pick. ima try and look. i have nothing to gain by lying tho.

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LoL.. who cares what their GM said.. April is known as liars month in the NFL for a reason.. dont believe anything any NFL GM has said during the month of april.. and if youre going to make statements that have proof, then youre going to have to show us and prove it..

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and rightfully so i just dont like when ppl say that somebody is wrong and end on that...it just bugs me...u guys had a he said-she said argument going and its annoying the shishkabobs outta me

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thanks pak for finally agreeing with me on something

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he has no reason to lie, the texans gm who drafted mario williams over reggie resigned from the texans organization in 2006. hes currently employed by the NFL, not an nfl franchise. hes no longer a gm is what im saying.

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theres proof of it SOMEWHERE. if i can find the video ill link you but it doesnt make any sort of difference to me so if i cant find it, tough lol

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dude.. a video of casey casserly saying they had an agreement with both players isnt proof..

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....dude...thats what ive been arguing about this entire time...lol.

do you think hes lying? LOL. if so, dont bother replying, i dont care this much. if you're resorting to such speculation just so you don't lose an argument i find that ridiculous and won't stoop to such a level.

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frankly i dont care if he is lying or not.. but you stating that you have proof when you really have none doesnt justify your whole argument in this thread..

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who's speculating?.....u cant come on here dude and say that they had a deal done and then ur only argument is to say somebody is wrong....man i was with u for a sec when u said u were looking for a link but seriously dude....everyone knows the FO likes to toy with the media....u cant go by what someone says....but then....thats what im going off of and so is everyone else in here....but the legitimacy of their statements goes into account...GMs are known for lying dude...after the draft everybody is going to say we got the guy we wanted....NO MATTER WHAT

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canton -- i didn't read all of your post except for the first sentence. my argument is that it isn't true because i know it to be false. i don't need any more than that because i just don't care. this argument is silly because it doesn't matter, i just stated that they did in fact have a deal in place with reggie just so you guys know for reference.

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Back on topic.

I'll repeat what I said before. Reggie needs to get stronger to see his full potential. When I asked about his weight, you compared him to Brian Westbrook? - why? Brian is 5'10, Reggie is 6'. Though their weights are the same, Brian is shorter. So Brian has more muscle. Adrian Peterson is 6'1 - 217lbs. Adrian has more muscle. Tiki was 5'10 - 205lbs. Tiki had more muscle. Is the pattern clear?

For the second point, you said that Reggie gets most of his yards running up the middle. What? Reggie gets his yards in space, where his elusiveness can be employed. He gets his yards via trickery (draws, delays, end around, pitch out, etc) or via passes to the flat, screens, etc. He's not a power runner, never has been. He's just not strong enough to do the type of work Deuce or Pierre does.

But back to my original point... if he'll just fix that, just work on the weights instead of doing this free-floh-doh crap, then this kid will be truly amazing. He'll realize his full potential - which will make all this Mario talk go bye-bye.

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LoE -- eh, you're splitting hairs with the hole 1-2 inches thing.

also, Reggies situational stats are proof that he runs better up the middle.

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Ricky, do you REALLY believe that Reggie is a power runner? Do you REALLY believe he doesn't need to add more muscle?

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i dont think he does.. i think he just needs to have a lil more patience behind the line and allow the OL to set up the blocks.. reggie tries to get through so fast that he runs past his blockers

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as much as i hate actually reacting to this....i have to....u will never find nebody to agree with that....reggie is not an up the middle back...he is not a pounder/grinder whatever u wanna call it....he is a scat back...he jumps and spins and twirls like the best balerinas....reggie can be a great player if u play to his strengths which is what we did his rookie year.....when we need him to run up the middle..thats when his production drops off....he is very dangerous in open field..thats why he was so dominating returning punts and kicks....he was in open field...without flat out saying thats dumb...i gotta say man..where do u get ur stats from?

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Well, I respectfully disagree Pak. Not about patience, but about how easily he goes down when someone gets a paw on him. People are saying he's a bust, Mario was a better pick, he's a scatback, can't run between the tackles. I don't buy any of that. But I do think patience isn't the only thing he needs to develop - but more strength.

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my opinion? i think he could def use a bit more muscle, but i'm not going to nitpick he's already a big swoll guy.

the main thing with reggie is he wears down easily in the 2nd half.

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thats something that can be worked on and is actually a great problem to have....if he gets to the line that quick it means that he can get through a hole just as quick...if he takes a counter step or a side step it should give the lineman just enough time to move their guys....reggie can be a guy to run more off tackle but running up the gut is not his strength....rather than rip apart his game and make him something he is not..i think its better to have someone who can run up the middle to compliment him....he is elite at what he does...he shouldnt have to run up the middle

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i don't care if they agree. stats are stats, its fact.

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its not that i dont think he couldnt use more strength but if he just used a lil more patience, his running would improve considerably..

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were u the one that was talking about the GM having a contract with reggie earlier?....it just seems that u make up stats...maybe u dont....but i'd like to see some proof....reggie is more of an outside guy....nebody will tell u that

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you can find reggies situational stats on yahoo, and i'm not gonna go look for the video on casserly saying that, i don't care enough.

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I don't buy this "he gets his yards up the middle" stuff either. Prove it. Show me a stat that says his yards per carry are higher up the middle than they are with offtackle or screen passes. Prove it.

Reggie gets his yards by eluding tacklers - not by running over them.

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i hate doing this but im dismissing just about everything ricky says as false....i wish reggie would bulk up a little just to get some meat on his bones...i like the way he runs and i wouldnt want him to get too heavy...nobody wants him to be a jerome bettis but i think its too much to ask of him to be an up the middle guy....the only thing he needs to work on is dropping the ball....he can get a yard or two just cuz he's reggie but ball possession is vital

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I know he'll never be a Jerome Bettis, and I'm not asking him to be. But he needs to add another 10lbs. I don't want to see anymore arm tackles on this guy.

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haha im surprised he hasnt gotten 10 more lbs just livin in nawlens....some good home cookin im sure could do the job....its not hard for me to gain 10 pounds....how come he cant lol

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like i said playa just go look at reggies situational stats on yahoo. and why would i lie about casserly? lol what is to gain? idc at all im just wondering what you think i would gain by saying that the texans had a contract in place when they actually didnt.

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Well, 10lb's of crawfish turned into an extra chin and love hanldes wasn't what I had in mind. lol Maybe we can turn him into a nose tackle though.

Ricky, you're the one that keeps saying "Reggie is better between the tackles", yet multiple people are calling you out on that. You refuse to back up your statement with any link, which you say you have, but don't care enough to share. I'm sorry, but your credibility is suffering on this board.

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two points here:

1.) i havent said reggie is better between the tackles. i said that his YPC is higher when he runs through the middle.

2.) stop being incredibly lazy and go find them yourself. just google "reggie bush situational stats" and you should find your proof.

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lol then we waisted a pick on ellis....dang.....seriously tho...i think if reggie is serious about showing what he really can do he will bulk up.....no doubt...he needs some weight...unfortunately i think his injuries could hurt him....i know i was getting looked at by scouts for baseball and i sprained my ankle and never saw another scout so some little injuries can come back to bite u....i hope his quickness wasnt effected because then the word bust will be tossed around a lot

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plus if the 10 pounds is all he needs then he can be a feature back....westbrook is arguably one of the best RBs in the NFL right now and he runs all over teams week in and week out....he is little like reggie...if reggie gets some weight....he may lose half a step but he may be better for it...like pak said....if he can be more patient getting to the line he can be great....that half step he loses may just be what he needs to excel

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In regards to your first point, no, what you actually said was "ps: actually, reggie gets the most yards when he runs up the middle." That is a quote from you. The problem with that statement is that it is %100 incorrect. Reggie gets the most yards when he catches passes - not when he runs up the middle. And we all know that he gets more yards there because it puts him in space, just as I (and others) have been saying all along.

In regards to your second comment, lazy? No, that wasn't the reason we asked you to post your link. I ALREADY knew what Reggie's situational stats looked like. I wanted YOU to prove your point, which you did not. In a nutshell, Canton and I were calling you out. Show us your proof.

Reggie's career stats up the middle are NOT his best statistic. Oh, we know his rushes between the tackles improved in 2007, we know that. But it was AWFUL in 2006. The coaches have learned (the hard way) that Reggie cannot be used as a power back. So now they're using draw plays and delays when running him up the middle, which they weren't doing enough of in 2006. The net result is his YPC is improving up the middle, but that's not because he can punch his way through the line, it's because the coaches have learned he can't be a power back.

But all this goes back to my original post in this thread... what I've been saying all along. Reggie Bush's main weakness is that he simply isn't strong enough to run through tackles. When a lineman gets a hand on him, he goes down too easily. If he would just strengthen up, then the nay sayers out there would have nothing left to gripe about. All this talk of Mario being the better pick would be finished. THAT was the point I was trying to make.