Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat?

Frederick Smith · 10-22-2009, 10:21 AM

This is going to be a hard game fought game. A key for us is that no one else goes down. Getting Chad ot of the line up has been an upgrade for Miami and you cannot argue with what they have done with the running game. I am going to be cautiously optimistic for the rest of the season teams are going to come after us with their A game from here on out. I am praying that G Williams has a plan for these guys. Atlanta caught the Fins early on and I do not see this as a good measuring stick as we have not played Atlanta yet either. I see them progressing as the season unfolds and it all is based on Henne. I am hoping we can stuff the wildcat early on and force them to go to a traditional set where I believe we have the advantage.

leilung · 10-22-2009, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Ohhh Noooo..

Kolb's numbers were inflated by a 70 yard play in the first quarter, after which he proceeded to do nothing, until the 4th quarter when the score was like 40-17 and the game out of hand, some Saints starters had been pulled out, and the Eagles completely abandoned the run and started throwing the ball.

Kind of the same thing happened last Sunday: game's out of hand, starters get pulled out, and David Carr throws a TD with Sharper, Porter, Greer, Smith, Grant, and God knows who else looking from the sidelines.

OK, I'll buy the "garbage time" scenario where the Eagles were throwing every play from scrimmage in the 4th (which is also the time that Sharper got his pick six). But even throwing out Jackson's 71 yd TD, Kolb was STILL able to post 321 other yards in the effort and he's no McNabb!

Living in Iggles hell like I do, let me throw some WC stats about this game at you to illustrate my concern:
11 WC plays
3 stopped by our D for no gain
8 WC gains for a total of 47 yds (avg. 5+ per play)

...and this from a team fielding a 2nd string QB and not nearly as proficient with the WC offense as the Fins. I too am curious to see what my newest man-crush (Greg Williams) can scheme to keep this from being a game where the Fins can keep it close. You'd best believe that I too see this as a trap game. I'm not worried per se, but I'm not in any way overlooking a potential for disaster.

I guess that comes from being a long time Saints fan! LOL

Tobias-Reiper · 10-22-2009, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by leilung

OK, I'll buy the "garbage time" scenario where the Eagles were throwing every play from scrimmage in the 4th (which is also the time that Sharper got his pick six). But even throwing out Jackson's 71 yd TD, Kolb was STILL able to post 321 other yards in the effort and he's no McNabb!

Living in Iggles hell like I do, let me throw some WC stats about this game at you to illustrate my concern:
11 WC plays
3 stopped by our D for no gain
8 WC gains for a total of 47 yds (avg. 5+ per play)

...and this from a team fielding a 2nd string QB and not nearly as proficient with the WC offense as the Fins. I too am curious to see what my newest man-crush (Greg Williams) can scheme to keep this from being a game where the Fins can keep it close. You'd best believe that I too see this as a trap game. I'm not worried per se, but I'm not in any way overlooking a potential for disaster.

I guess that comes from being a long time Saints fan! LOL

Here, I throw a better stat at you:

Saints 48
Eagles 22

McNabb don't play defense.

Euphoria · 10-22-2009, 11:57 AM

Not a game to take lightly they are a different animal.

rich006 · 10-22-2009, 12:50 PM

One thing that hasn't been said yet is that this is an away game. For that reason it will be a tough game as long as the crowd is in it. Also, Miami's rushing attack (including WC) is similar in quality to NYG, and you have to expect them to put together a couple of long scoring drives like the one the Giants had where Ahmad Bradshaw had almost all the yards on the drive (I say a couple because they won't abandon the run as early as the Giants did). It may stay close until the third quarter depending on turnovers.

However, Miami's passing defense is below average (esp. against TE's), which means Brees will torch them all day. The WC offense won't be able to keep up with the quick strike Saints offense. Late in the game the crowd will be a non-factor and Miami will have to abandon the WC and try passing, at which point any Henne turnovers will turn the game into a Saints rout.

For Miami to have a chance, Henne has to be perfect, Brees has to be off, and turnovers have to go Miami's way.

Saints 38-20

SapperSaint · 10-22-2009, 01:48 PM

I won't say I'm 100% sure we are going to beat them...I'm can only say I'm not worried. Henne has been fair, glad to see it. Also glad to see Ricky thriving as well.

Welcome to the site Fin. Always good to have another teams fan here. Good luck the rest of the season....well, except for this Sunday.

FinFan · 10-22-2009, 01:54 PM

Thanks SapperSaint I love your avatar, I must have every Calvin and Hobbes book ever made.

SmashMouth · 10-23-2009, 05:49 PM

In one word ...... NO!

skymike · 10-23-2009, 06:23 PM

Oh yeah, Miami is definitely a potential for trouble. Weird offense, we're not sure what to expect. And I've seen some flashes from their QB, too.

lynwood · 10-23-2009, 06:43 PM

any given sunday....Oakland/Eagles

10-22-2009, 10:21 AM	#1
Frederick Smith SaintsFan101 Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 217	Re: Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat? This is going to be a hard game fought game. A key for us is that no one else goes down. Getting Chad ot of the line up has been an upgrade for Miami and you cannot argue with what they have done with the running game. I am going to be cautiously optimistic for the rest of the season teams are going to come after us with their A game from here on out. I am praying that G Williams has a plan for these guys. Atlanta caught the Fins early on and I do not see this as a good measuring stick as we have not played Atlanta yet either. I see them progressing as the season unfolds and it all is based on Henne. I am hoping we can stuff the wildcat early on and force them to go to a traditional set where I believe we have the advantage.

10-22-2009, 11:40 AM	#2
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,432	Re: Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat? Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Ohhh Noooo.. Kolb's numbers were inflated by a 70 yard play in the first quarter, after which he proceeded to do nothing, until the 4th quarter when the score was like 40-17 and the game out of hand, some Saints starters had been pulled out, and the Eagles completely abandoned the run and started throwing the ball. Kind of the same thing happened last Sunday: game's out of hand, starters get pulled out, and David Carr throws a TD with Sharper, Porter, Greer, Smith, Grant, and God knows who else looking from the sidelines. OK, I'll buy the "garbage time" scenario where the Eagles were throwing every play from scrimmage in the 4th (which is also the time that Sharper got his pick six). But even throwing out Jackson's 71 yd TD, Kolb was STILL able to post 321 other yards in the effort and he's no McNabb! Living in Iggles hell like I do, let me throw some WC stats about this game at you to illustrate my concern: 11 WC plays 3 stopped by our D for no gain 8 WC gains for a total of 47 yds (avg. 5+ per play) ...and this from a team fielding a 2nd string QB and not nearly as proficient with the WC offense as the Fins. I too am curious to see what my newest man-crush (Greg Williams) can scheme to keep this from being a game where the Fins can keep it close. You'd best believe that I too see this as a trap game. I'm not worried per se, but I'm not in any way overlooking a potential for disaster. I guess that comes from being a long time Saints fan! LOL
	A wise man once said, "Poo-poo smells just as bad as s#!%. One just SOUNDS cuter!"

10-22-2009, 12:01 PM	#3
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat? Originally Posted by leilung OK, I'll buy the "garbage time" scenario where the Eagles were throwing every play from scrimmage in the 4th (which is also the time that Sharper got his pick six). But even throwing out Jackson's 71 yd TD, Kolb was STILL able to post 321 other yards in the effort and he's no McNabb! Living in Iggles hell like I do, let me throw some WC stats about this game at you to illustrate my concern: 11 WC plays 3 stopped by our D for no gain 8 WC gains for a total of 47 yds (avg. 5+ per play) ...and this from a team fielding a 2nd string QB and not nearly as proficient with the WC offense as the Fins. I too am curious to see what my newest man-crush (Greg Williams) can scheme to keep this from being a game where the Fins can keep it close. You'd best believe that I too see this as a trap game. I'm not worried per se, but I'm not in any way overlooking a potential for disaster. I guess that comes from being a long time Saints fan! LOL Here, I throw a better stat at you: Saints 48 Eagles 22 McNabb don't play defense.

10-22-2009, 11:57 AM	#4
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat? Not a game to take lightly they are a different animal.

10-22-2009, 12:50 PM	#5
rich006 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 335	Re: Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat? One thing that hasn't been said yet is that this is an away game. For that reason it will be a tough game as long as the crowd is in it. Also, Miami's rushing attack (including WC) is similar in quality to NYG, and you have to expect them to put together a couple of long scoring drives like the one the Giants had where Ahmad Bradshaw had almost all the yards on the drive (I say a couple because they won't abandon the run as early as the Giants did). It may stay close until the third quarter depending on turnovers. However, Miami's passing defense is below average (esp. against TE's), which means Brees will torch them all day. The WC offense won't be able to keep up with the quick strike Saints offense. Late in the game the crowd will be a non-factor and Miami will have to abandon the WC and try passing, at which point any Henne turnovers will turn the game into a Saints rout. For Miami to have a chance, Henne has to be perfect, Brees has to be off, and turnovers have to go Miami's way. Saints 38-20
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10-22-2009, 01:48 PM	#6
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat? I won't say I'm 100% sure we are going to beat them...I'm can only say I'm not worried. Henne has been fair, glad to see it. Also glad to see Ricky thriving as well. Welcome to the site Fin. Always good to have another teams fan here. Good luck the rest of the season....well, except for this Sunday.

10-22-2009, 01:54 PM	#7
FinFan Registered Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 66	Re: Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat? Thanks SapperSaint I love your avatar, I must have every Calvin and Hobbes book ever made.
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10-23-2009, 05:49 PM	#8
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,022 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat? In one word ...... NO!

10-23-2009, 06:23 PM	#9
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat? Oh yeah, Miami is definitely a potential for trouble. Weird offense, we're not sure what to expect. And I've seen some flashes from their QB, too.

10-23-2009, 06:43 PM	#10
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	Re: Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat? any given sunday....Oakland/Eagles