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I get tired of chasing the Brooks bashers all of the board so I'm making this the "Official Aaron Brooks Thread"

We can post all of our opinions about Aaron right here for this season and when the season is over, whoever is wrong will get to come back here and eat some crow.

How ya want your crow served? I'm going to serve it up buffet style. So just form a line and there will be plenty to go around--- :P

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And until that final supposed crow eating cerimony .

He will be feeding us lots of Bull . :P

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Aaron Brooks is the best quarterback to have ever stepped on a football field. I\'m planning on starting a new religion - Brooksianity. Saintfan, BillyC, you guys are in right?

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Tell me \"08\", aren\'t you already tasting the buffet? Seems to me your proclamations of A certain QB being handed the starting job in Carolina were a bit premature. I guess you and Whodat are anjoying the appetizer huh?

By the way, BC could NEVER feel either you or Whodat any Bull. You two cornered that market a LONG time ago.

And hey Whodat, \"Brooksianity\" was destined to come along after all you Delhommeites disbanded when the hoax was exposed.

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There are plenty of places to find Brooks topics here without too much effort and this one will be just another of many and many more to come.

My official position of AB is he will not be the reason for saints failure if they do fail this year. AB will play like a slightly above average QB. I look for him to be similar to Trent dilfer, he will not lose you a game but he is not going to do anything several other QB\'s could not do either. He is going to annoy the crap out of me with his laid back attitude and smiley face in situations, but I think I can deal with that this year.

Since some of you folks like to look at individual numbers, even though they are often skewed compared to real performance, here is how I think he will finish the year.

32 td\'s, 3200 passing yds, rating of 86. With the offense he has to work with if he does not meet these numbers I think his year will be below average.

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I\'ve got a question. During last years game with the Panthers in Charlotte why did Brooks walk off the field with one play to go in the 1st half?

[Edited on 28/8/2003 by jm]

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What kills me about the \" Brooks Bashers\" is Aaron has put this team on his back in more than one game and carried them to victory. Yet all I hear is you tellin\' me that he ain\'t no good.

I guess when a person sits down to watch the Saints with the sole purpose of picking out every little mistake Brooks makes- so he can come here and post it, then it\'s hard to see what the man has done on the field. Of course, when I show you stats, you discredit them.

Another thing I don\'t get is Jake Delhomme has had the better part of 10-years to crack the starting line-up for an NFL team and he hasn\'t done it. Yet, Brooks has only been a starter for 3 years and you guys want him to be perfect. I don\'t get it and I never will.

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because Hazlett did not give him his pregame BJ and he was going to make sure he had enough time to get it at halftime.

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Lets start this with the 2002 season results ratings .

1. Pennington, Chad NYJ 104.2
2. Gannon, Rich OAK 97.3
3. Johnson, Brad TB 92.9
4. Green, Trent KC 92.6
5. Manning, Peyton IND 88.8
6. Hasselbeck, Matt SEA 87.8
7. Bledsoe, Drew BUF 86.0
McNabb, Donovan PHI 86.0
9. Brady, Tom NE 85.7
Brunell, Mark JAC 85.7
11. Favre, Brett GB 85.6
Garcia, Jeff SF 85.6
Griese, Brian DEN 85.6
14. Collins, Kerry NYG 85.4
15. Fiedler, Jay MIA 85.2
Maddox, Tommy PIT 85.2
17. McNair, Steve TEN 84.0
18. Stewart, Kordell PIT 82.8
19. Vick, Michael ATL 81.6
20. Brooks, Aaron NO 80.2
21. Chandler, Chris CHI 79.8
22. Van Pelt, Alex BUF 79.2
23. Kitna, Jon CIN 79.1
24. Testaverde, Vinny NYJ 78.3
25. Miller, Jim CHI 77.5
26. Peete, Rodney CAR 77.4
27. Blake, Jeff BAL 77.3
28. Brees, Drew SD 76.9
29. Couch, Tim CLE 76.8
30. Culpepper, Daunte MIN 75.4
31. Matthews, Shane WAS 72.6
32. Ramsey, Patrick WAS 71.8
33. Warner, Kurt STL 67.5
34. Hutchinson, Chad DAL 66.3
35. Plummer, Jake ARI 65.7

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Now considering the results are missing Harrington and Carr who really had poor rookie showings , we will add them to the total though . 37 quarterbacks .

Aaron Brooks finished in the bottom half of the starting quarterbacks in the N.F.L. last season . Quarterbacks with better performances were released from the teams they played for , for doing better .

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saintz08- Well Well...........

Let us dig a little deeper into your logic. Shall we? :casstet:

According to you, passer ratings are the most important thing for a QB!!

That means you think that (1. Pennington, Chad NYJ 104.2) is him MUCH better than- (11. Favre, Brett GB 85.6)- who was only a trivial 5.4 pts ahead in passer rating than (20. Brooks, Aaron NO 80.2) . Brett Farve is going to the Hall of Fame, my man. Starting to get the picture of how silly you sound? Of course not, so let me continue..........

How about (4. Green, Trent KC 92.6) who is way ahead of (17. McNair, Steve TEN 84.0 ) I don\'t know about you, but Trent Green can\'t carry McNabb\'s jock strap!! But, Trent doesn\'t need to carry McNabb\'s jock strap, because if there\'s a job for you in the NFL, that would be it....... ;)

Go compare Aaron Brooks\' first three years in the league with Aikman, Elway, or some others and come back and post those?


[Edited on 28/8/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

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Considering ONE QB had a rating better than 100, and the next THREE guys were in the 90\'s, and considering several \"Super Bowl\" QB\'s ratings were only slightly better, I\'d say Brooks is in good company. All of that notwithstanding the FACT that a QB\'s rating is in reality based not entirely on his performance but also the performance of those around him again I say Brooks is in pretty good Company. See \"08\", if we went on rating alone then the question would be why didn\'t Mr. Pennington win the Superbowl last year? Numbers will never prove my point nor will they ever prove yours. Keep on barking up that tree baby. The only thing fallin out is some nice, tasty CROW! Enjoy!

:P

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The NFL rates its passers for statistical purposes against a fixed performance standard based on statistical achievements of all qualified pro passers since 1960. The current system replaced one that rated passers in relation to their position in a total group based on various criteria.

The current system, which was adopted in 1973, removes inequities that existed in the former method and, at the same time, provides a means of comparing passing performances from one season to the next.


So a rating system adopted by the N.F.L. is not good enough for Billy and Saintsfan .

So maybe you guys should explain this \" potential \" system you have developed .

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I\'ll explain my \"system\" to you just as soon as you explain to me why Chad Pennington didn\'t win the Superbowl.

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I haven\'t finished my system yet, but here\'s part of it.

1.) You should give a QB more than 3 years before you give up on him or you\'ll probably be making a big mistake.

2.) You will never be able to rate Jake Delhomme on my system or anyone elses, because he has to get on the field first.

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Saintfan asks why Pennington hasn\'t won a Super Bowl yet? Well, for starters, he hasn\'t played a full season as a starter, but even that is really irrelevant. Obviously the QB is the only person that controls the destiny of a team right - that\'s why Archie brought the Saints to the playoffs so many times, and why Dilfer never got to a Super Bowl... er...and then what does that say about Aaron Brooks considering last season\'s dive Saintfan?

I\'ve brought up Pennington time and again as the example of the perfect type of QB for our system. Young, smart, efficient. All you Brooks Lovers want to try to compare Brooks to Pennington and show how he had more touchdown passes and yards and downplay the importance of PASSER EFFICIENCY. OK, well let\'s really look at the two side by side, shall we?

Chad Pennington
Started 12 games in \'02.
Yards - 3120 (260 per start)
TDs - 22 (1.83 per start)
INTs - 6 (.5 per start)
Passer rating of 104.2 (1st in the league)

Those 12 starts were his first 12 ever. He helped his team clinch a division title and go to the playoffs.

Aaron Brooks started 16 games in \'02.
Yards - 3572 (223.25 per start)
TDs - 27 (1.6875 per start)
INTs - 15 (/9375 per start)
Passer rating of 80.1 (20th in the league)

Those 16 starts were his 22-38th starts ever. He had no playoff appearances.

As you can see, Pennington beat brooks in EVERY category including TDs AND YARDS when you do a true comparison. He also did it with less talent on the field and an offensive coordinator who isn\'t as good as the Saints\'. So, now, how is Brooks better than Pennington?

Shall I compare Brooks to other young QBs right now? B/c I don\'t care about how he compares to a guy that played 20 years ago, I care about how he compares RIGHT NOW - and let me tell you guys something, he doesn\'t stack up real well.

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Question Stands :

So a rating system adopted by the N.F.L. is not good enough for Billy and Saintsfan .

So maybe you guys should explain this \" potential \" system you have developed .

Saintsfan
Chad Penningtons rating is a biproduct of the rating system , not the system .

Billy
If your system is not finished by your own admission , you are not able to judge other then the current N.F.L. rating system . So by your own admission your conclusions are irrelevent because you really have no means to judge ......

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Tag team, back again, check it to wreck it and let\'s begin....!!!

Whomp de it is! ;) LOL

08, you and I need a name. Truth Nation maybe? Flava Fo Real? The real slim saintlies? LOL

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Billy, this post is a great example of how you throw these topics out with the sole intention of being able to argue and state your stats. Here again you bring up the subject yourself knowing what response you are going to get and chomping at the bit to be able to throw out the latest stats you\'ve found from some other board.

I found it interesting that there was not a negative comment about AB when you piped back in with your \"I can\'t believe\" rant\". Next time you want to argue just name the post, \"I want to argue\".

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Oh and one other thing - I\'ll bet you Trent Green puts up better numbers this year than Steve McNair BILLY... That\'s MCNAIR, NOT McNabb.

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Now that is funny !!!!!!!!!

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I got stats from another board? I thought I got \'em from saintz08 post on this thread.

I see I\'m starting to get to ya huh? Good!!!! :o

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Haven\'t gotten to me Billy - nor have you been able to formulate any good retort or even grunt of defeat...

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Is it your purpose to put these posts out to annoy people? over 1000 posts and only 20 or so worth any substance. Did we really need another Aaron Brooks post here?

I am going to have to get an icon for ROUNDUP weed killer to start replying to your posts.

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Here\'s an idea and a simple one at that. If you don\'t like my posts, quit repling to EVERYONE of them. See how that works?

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Here is a better idea for you. Why don\'t you get a friend you can talk to in person and save us from having to sift through your hot air OR ask yourself before posting if this topic has already been beaten to death. Can you possibly come up with any new twist on any topic regarding anything about the saints?

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Ok boy\'s, play nice or go to your room. Let\'s find something new to get rilled about. :cool:


B&B, take that dead assed horse of here. Every time I see it I start laughing. :D

[Edited on 29/8/2003 by JOESAM2002]

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FWTex- I\'ve read ALL of your negetive posts and you have to be the most negetive person I have ever seen in my life. WhoDat has been negetive about the defense and with good reason but at least he gives the offense and special teams props. You on the other hand constantly whine about everything.

And here\'s something else dude. I have my beliefs and nothing you are going to say is going to change that. I argue my beleifs along with everyone else. Where do you come off telling me or anyone else what they need to post? When you get a board of your own then you can tell someone what to post. Until then- I will keep right on telling it liike I see it.

AARON BROOKS IS A GREAT QB. See you can\'t stop me from saying it.

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Glad to see that I have at least one redeemable quality. Two actually - 1. I give the offense and special team props, and 2. I am not the most negative person Billy has ever seen. WHEW! LOL ;)

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See, you throw so much trash out here you can\'t even remember what replies are in your own topics. Go back and read the 4th reply to this thread, buckaroo. I guess that kinda kills your negativity theory huh?

If you think I am only negative about the saints its because I am not going to cream in my pants over some fantasy that this is a great team like you want it to be. You have obviously been clicking your high heels and wishing very hard for a better team this year but the realist in me says it is a futile cause.

BTW, can you give me the percentage stat of my negative posts to my positive posts?