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SaintFanInATLHELL 11-23-2009 10:06 AM

How do you organize the secondary for the Pats.
 
Monday is coming. Porter is out. Gay has tweaked a hammie. Torrence looked pretty beat up in Tampa.

So you are Williams and Sharper. How do you organize the secondary to handle the Pats All-Pro receiver attack?

MJ had a good game last week. But MJ is a rookie. McAlister hasn't played in a game in over a year. But he's been a Pro Bowl player in the past.

Moss is Moss and Welker is Welker. They are going to be a load.

So who do you start? Who do you put on whom?

You're Sharper and Williams today. Make the call.

SFIAH

Sir Psycho Sexy 11-23-2009 10:37 AM

Re: How do you organize the secondary for the Pats.
 
Not really a call to make. Greer should be back so Greer and MJ have to start with Gay being limited/out. For Nickel and Dime you have Young, Reis, and McAllister.

Even if they signed MM as reported then he probably won't be activated considering he's not in football shape and our D is a completely new D he's not familiar with.

SaintFanInATLHELL 11-23-2009 10:40 AM

Re: How do you organize the secondary for the Pats.
 
So you take the rookie and his physical gifts over the old wily vet, McAlister, who has actually played against these guys before?

SFIAH

neugey 11-23-2009 10:43 AM

Re: How do you organize the secondary for the Pats.
 
Let's wait til after Thanksgiving and see how healthy the players are then.

Besides, the Pats DC has to figure out how to cover Colston, Shockey, David Thomas, Henderson, Meachem. And possibly Bush and Moore. Don't think they have it any easier. :-)

saintsfan1976 11-23-2009 10:59 AM

Re: How do you organize the secondary for the Pats.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 178338)

You're Sharper and Williams today. Make the call.

SFIAH


Moss will be lined up in different places all game to create mismatches. He's a vertical guy mostly so Greer will have to cover (see Derelle Revis) and Sharper will definitely have to help.

Now, that being said, Welker and Edleman will be a handful. Jenkins covers Welker and he must be physical on the line. Welker is amazing in space and makes quick double and triple moves keeping the CB's and S's in the middle of the field.

I expect to see a lot of nickel from Williams to include Gay (where he excels most).

Pressure up front wins this game:
Tom Brady is one of the best QBs inside the pocket so I use Harper to flush Brady out and force quick throws. We need to keep pressure on their O line in order to wear them down by the second half like Indy did. So I use some delayed LB blitz's and I slide Grant inside on the guard more.

The Pats will get yards and will get scores but they shouldn't be able to sit back and pick our secondary apart.

We will need all 8 days to be ready.

Sir Psycho Sexy 11-23-2009 12:01 PM

Re: How do you organize the secondary for the Pats.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 178344)
So you take the rookie and his physical gifts over the old wily vet, McAlister, who has actually played against these guys before?

SFIAH

Considering he wasn't active for Tampa, I doubt he goes from inactive to a starter.

Rugby Saint II 11-23-2009 02:30 PM

Re: How do you organize the secondary for the Pats.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 178352)
Moss will be lined up in different places all game to create mismatches. He's a vertical guy mostly so Greer will have to cover (see Derelle Revis) and Sharper will definitely have to help.

Now, that being said, Welker and Edleman will be a handful. Jenkins covers Welker and he must be physical on the line. Welker is amazing in space and makes quick double and triple moves keeping the CB's and S's in the middle of the field.

I expect to see a lot of nickel from Williams to include Gay (where he excels most).

Pressure up front wins this game:
Tom Brady is one of the best QBs inside the pocket so I use Harper to flush Brady out and force quick throws. We need to keep pressure on their O line in order to wear them down by the second half like Indy did. So I use some delayed LB blitz's and I slide Grant inside on the guard more.

The Pats will get yards and will get scores but they shouldn't be able to sit back and pick our secondary apart.

We will need all 8 days to be ready.


This is why I'm a member of the B&G. The people here know their stuff. :notworthy:

jn671 11-23-2009 02:46 PM

Re: How do you organize the secondary for the Pats.
 
IMO. Tell me if I'm wrong but we should do a lot if stunts with the interior line and show a couple blitz packages but drop back into coverage. Welled runs a lot of inside slants and some wr screens inthe middle or towards tge flats at his slot position. We can have MJ line up on welker and have him bump and release into zone towards the middle similar to a cover 3 or 2. Have vilma zone up in the middle therfore takin out the middle. Have greer cover moss while having Harper keying on him just in case while having him blitz the inside a couple if times. Have shanle zone the flats or bump any weak side receivers that may eventually run a slant towards the middle. Have sharper do his thing basically covering the whole field cause he is beast. Agree with the delay blitzes as well and assortment if zone and half zone man packages. Slowing the receivers in their routhe timing is essential considering the amount of talent they have. Also key in on faulk a great receiver for a rb. We might need vilma and fujita watching him when he's out. I don't recall their te as much I'm not sure if he's around but if we were to watch Watson, again I'm not sure if he is the te. Bit we need to watch him with a speedy lb or db. Nickel packages again will be great as well. Give or take I feel GW will run all sorts of schemes that willkeptp Tom guessing.

saintsfan1976 11-23-2009 02:47 PM

Re: How do you organize the secondary for the Pats.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 178455)
This is why I'm a member of the B&G. The people here know their stuff. :notworthy:

Thanks Rugby. But honestly, I'm looking forward to reading what a few other posters here have to say.

C'mon gang, this is an awesome topic, let's hear it!!

jn671 11-23-2009 02:49 PM

Re: How do you organize the secondary for the Pats.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 178462)
Thanks Rugby. But honestly, I'm looking forward to reading what a few other posters here have to say.

C'mon gang, this is an awesome topic, let's hear it!!

I may be wrong but what do you think?

saintsfan1976 11-23-2009 03:08 PM

Re: How do you organize the secondary for the Pats.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jn671 (Post 178464)
I may be wrong but what do you think?

No, I think you're right on. But whatever we throw at them it's still Tom Brady and he can do it all. So the most important thing is to keep the pressure on at the line of scrimmage and to NOT allow the big play.

Euphoria 11-23-2009 03:10 PM

Re: How do you organize the secondary for the Pats.
 
I would hire a guy by the name Greg Williams and let him figure it out for me.

SmashMouth 11-23-2009 03:11 PM

Re: How do you organize the secondary for the Pats.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 178473)
No, I think you're right on. But whatever we throw at them it's still Tom Brady and he can do it all. So the most important thing is to keep the pressure on at the line of scrimmage and to NOT allow the big play.

Brady's feathers will get ruffled if he spends most of his time on his back or blowing kisses to Vilma and company! We need to knock the snot out of him as the Giants did.

jn671 11-23-2009 03:20 PM

Re: How do you organize the secondary for the Pats.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 178473)
No, I think you're right on. But whatever we throw at them it's still Tom Brady and he can do it all. So the most important thing is to keep the pressure on at the line of scrimmage and to NOT allow the big play.

Yeah Tom Brady is just toogood.. But brees is better. **** manning lol...

saintsfan1976 11-23-2009 03:27 PM

Re: How do you organize the secondary for the Pats.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jn671 (Post 178480)
Yeah Tom Brady is just toogood.. But brees is better. **** manning lol...

Let me tell you a secret... closer

You keep using avatars like that and you can post whatever you want! lol


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jn671 11-23-2009 03:57 PM

Re: How do you organize the secondary for the Pats.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 178481)
Let me tell you a secret... closer

You keep using avatars like that and you can post whatever you want! lol


http://www.dreamagic.com/vivianrose/waynesWorld.gif

Lol good one

jn671 11-23-2009 04:00 PM

Re: How do you organize the secondary for the Pats.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 178475)
Brady's feathers will get ruffled if he spends most of his time on his back or blowing kisses to Vilma and company! We need to knock the snot out of him as the Giants did.

Maybe a blow to the knee. *wink wink

jn671 11-23-2009 04:01 PM

Re: How do you organize the secondary for the Pats.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 178474)
I would hire a guy by the name Greg Williams and let him figure it out for me.

Lol

SaintFanInATLHELL 11-23-2009 04:47 PM

Re: How do you organize the secondary for the Pats.
 
Maybe McAllister won't be ready:

Report: Saints close to signing McKenzie - NFC South Blog - ESPN

Quote:

The Saints also brought in veteran cornerback Chris McAlister last week. McAlister was inactive Sunday and coach Sean Payton said the veteran still was working his way into "football shape."
But I can't see how McKenzie would be either if the Saints signed him. Maybe they are looking for veteran backups for the playoffs?

SFIAH

Euphoria 11-23-2009 04:54 PM

Re: How do you organize the secondary for the Pats.
 
I seriously don't think these guys were sitting at home watching cartoons the whole time. Granted its been a little while since they actually been in a game but these guys worked out all their lives and get an injury and stop all together???

Knock the spider webs off and lets play some football.

SaintPauly 11-23-2009 06:11 PM

Re: How do you organize the secondary for the Pats.
 
Just read on the injury report that torrence was put on IR. Wonder why no one has reported it
yet.

saintsfan1976 11-23-2009 06:38 PM

Re: How do you organize the secondary for the Pats.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 178517)
I seriously don't think these guys were sitting at home watching cartoons the whole time. Granted its been a little while since they actually been in a game but these guys worked out all their lives and get an injury and stop all together???

Knock the spider webs off and lets play some football.

Time away from the game slows everyone down. After returning from his calf injury (4 weeks), Fujita was quoted that his first game back "felt like the first preseason game".

Combine age, injury and time away from the game...these guys are definitely warming up for the playoffs.

MatthewT 11-23-2009 06:38 PM

Re: How do you organize the secondary for the Pats.
 
Well, no one can really stop Moss or Welker. All a team can hope is to somewhat slow them down. The key is to get major pressure on Brady, but if you miss on a blitz he is going to rip you apart. The entire Saints defense will have to be on their A game or it could be a very long night. Equally import is the Saints offense will need to find a way to control the clock and keep Brady and company off the field. This is truly the one game the Saints cannot afford to commit turnovers.

bobad 11-23-2009 07:35 PM

Re: How do you organize the secondary for the Pats.
 
If we can make 3 or 4 defensive stops and not turn the ball over,
we can take this one.

I have a feeling that McKenzie knows the Williams defense better
than we may think. He has had nothing better to do than study
film and talk to X team members. I also have a feeling that Payton
told him to hang on and stay in good shape, becuse he may be
getting a call.

Of course he probably isn't in football shape, so he will probably not
play a down this week.

SmashMouth 11-23-2009 07:38 PM

Re: How do you organize the secondary for the Pats.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 178551)
Time away from the game slows everyone down. After returning from his calf injury (4 weeks), Fujita was quoted that his first game back "felt like the first preseason game".

Combine age, injury and time away from the game...these guys are definitely warming up for the playoffs.

Good point ... I guess we can actually say the word PLAYOFFS at this juncture too!

Frederick Smith 11-24-2009 02:15 PM

Re: How do you organize the secondary for the Pats.
 
Agree with most Post's here the key will be to pressure Brady as much as possible and hold coverage just long enough to get to him. No doubt that will be their plan also. It is going to come down to who makes the most mistakes and agree we need to hold on to the ball and get some fortuitous bounces.

iceshack149 11-24-2009 04:28 PM

Re: How do you organize the secondary for the Pats.
 
I want to see Welker and Moss get beat up on the line and get alligator arms after getting some booming hits by the Saints secondary. Jam them at the line and throw their routes off and get, dare I say, some coverage sacks.

The Patriots run game is unremarkable and their line isn't as good as it once was. This game is all about the Saints pass defense. I think that it they will rush 4 most of the time (especially if Ellis is back) and throw in a few blitzes. However, as the Giants and Jets have shown, you beat Brady up he'll turn into a shell of himself. The front seven will be an interesting match up.


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