No matter how this year turns out

spkb25 · 12-13-2009, 03:35 PM

I feel like we need some more speed at LB to go with JV. Anyone else?

D_it_up · 12-13-2009, 03:40 PM

Absolutely. The Saints are definitely hurting without Fujita, but even with him, the linebackers are a slow unit aside from Vilma. I would love to see a linebacker that is solid in pass rushing, against the run, and in pass coverage. There are too many weaknesses and holes in Shanle and Fujita's game. Vilma is going to be Vilma, but he may even improve with a little more help on the outside. I'd also like to see another hoss of a DT aside Ellis next year. And for the love of all that is Holy, can they finally get rid of Charles Grant? He gets fatter and slower every week!

Boutte · 12-13-2009, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by D_it_up

Absolutely. The Saints are definitely hurting without Fujita, but even with him, the linebackers are a slow unit aside from Vilma. I would love to see a linebacker that is solid in pass rushing, against the run, and in pass coverage. There are too many weaknesses and holes in Shanle and Fujita's game. Vilma is going to be Vilma, but he may even improve with a little more help on the outside. I'd also like to see another hoss of a DT aside Ellis next year. And for the love of all that is Holy, can they finally get rid of Charles Grant? He gets fatter and slower every week!

I was watching Grant a lot today. Time to cut bait. He's definitely not worth what he's being paid. But then again the whole D looked pretty bad today.

Fortunately some guys stepped when we really needed it and that's what counts.

Crusader · 12-13-2009, 03:41 PM

What about Casillas? He has speed and that linebacker we got on IR? I mean we might already have those guys on the roster.

CantonLegend · 12-13-2009, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

I feel like we need some more speed at LB to go with JV. Anyone else?

stanley arnoux ran the 2nd fastest 40 time of any of the linebackers at the combine this year

and jonathan casillas ran a 4.42-40 when he was injured in college

we are getting faster....the issue is that those LBs are better suited to play safety

spkb25 · 12-13-2009, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

stanley arnoux ran the 2nd fastest 40 time of any of the linebackers at the combine this year

and jonathan casillas ran a 4.42-40 when he was injured in college

we are getting faster....the issue is that those LBs are better suited to play safety

Are we going to move to a 3-4?

CantonLegend · 12-13-2009, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Are we going to move to a 3-4?

i dont think we should and im not sure what that has to do with the LBs speed?

i dont think the 3-4 best suits our personel.....3-4 DEs are much more like DTs than DEs......will smith and charles grant arent defensive tackles

sedrick ellis is strong and quick but isnt big enough to play 3-4 NT

scott shanle is much better at playing pass coverage than blitzing.....fujita and he are just not built to blitz from the DE position

and jonathan vilma was worthless in the 3-4.....he hated it and i dont blame him......

i hope we trade up for ndamakong suh.....he might bust but holy crap if he doesnt he will be one of the best DTs to ever play.....he doesnt have a single good move other than push the offensive linemen backwards

he isnt all that quick but his strength and footwork is just unbelievable....unrivaled in any college DT ive ever seen

spkb25 · 12-13-2009, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

i dont think we should and im not sure what that has to do with the LBs speed?

i dont think the 3-4 best suits our personel.....3-4 DEs are much more like DTs than DEs......will smith and charles grant arent defensive tackles

sedrick ellis is strong and quick but isnt big enough to play 3-4 NT

scott shanle is much better at playing pass coverage than blitzing.....fujita and he are just not built to blitz from the DE position

and jonathan vilma was worthless in the 3-4.....he hated it and i dont blame him......

i hope we trade up for ndamakong suh.....he might bust but holy crap if he doesnt he will be one of the best DTs to ever play.....he doesnt have a single good move other than push the offensive linemen backwards

he isnt all that quick but his strength and footwork is just unbelievable....unrivaled in any college DT ive ever seen

I am not pushing for the 3-4, I was thinking that based off the fact that you said they were smaller, but that doesn't really make sense...

I would like to see someone to compliment JV at the lb spot. SS seems slow to me. If a RB gets the corner and he is chasing it is painful to watch

We need more athleticism there, IMHO

Rugby Saint II · 12-13-2009, 05:01 PM

Good points by every one. I'm thinking about LT 1st and then let GW pick whoever he wants.

arsaint · 12-13-2009, 05:07 PM

Speaking of GW, does the defense's recent performance actually LOWER the changes that we lose him to a head coaching job after this season???

12-13-2009, 03:35 PM	#1
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,138	No matter how this year turns out I feel like we need some more speed at LB to go with JV. Anyone else?

12-13-2009, 03:40 PM	#2
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Re: No matter how this year turns out Absolutely. The Saints are definitely hurting without Fujita, but even with him, the linebackers are a slow unit aside from Vilma. I would love to see a linebacker that is solid in pass rushing, against the run, and in pass coverage. There are too many weaknesses and holes in Shanle and Fujita's game. Vilma is going to be Vilma, but he may even improve with a little more help on the outside. I'd also like to see another hoss of a DT aside Ellis next year. And for the love of all that is Holy, can they finally get rid of Charles Grant? He gets fatter and slower every week!

12-13-2009, 03:53 PM	#3
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: No matter how this year turns out Originally Posted by D_it_up Absolutely. The Saints are definitely hurting without Fujita, but even with him, the linebackers are a slow unit aside from Vilma. I would love to see a linebacker that is solid in pass rushing, against the run, and in pass coverage. There are too many weaknesses and holes in Shanle and Fujita's game. Vilma is going to be Vilma, but he may even improve with a little more help on the outside. I'd also like to see another hoss of a DT aside Ellis next year. And for the love of all that is Holy, can they finally get rid of Charles Grant? He gets fatter and slower every week! I was watching Grant a lot today. Time to cut bait. He's definitely not worth what he's being paid. But then again the whole D looked pretty bad today. Fortunately some guys stepped when we really needed it and that's what counts.

12-13-2009, 03:41 PM	#4
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,040	Re: No matter how this year turns out What about Casillas? He has speed and that linebacker we got on IR? I mean we might already have those guys on the roster.

12-13-2009, 03:47 PM	#5
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: No matter how this year turns out Originally Posted by spkb25 I feel like we need some more speed at LB to go with JV. Anyone else? stanley arnoux ran the 2nd fastest 40 time of any of the linebackers at the combine this year and jonathan casillas ran a 4.42-40 when he was injured in college we are getting faster....the issue is that those LBs are better suited to play safety

12-13-2009, 04:42 PM	#6
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,138	Re: No matter how this year turns out Originally Posted by CantonLegend stanley arnoux ran the 2nd fastest 40 time of any of the linebackers at the combine this year and jonathan casillas ran a 4.42-40 when he was injured in college we are getting faster....the issue is that those LBs are better suited to play safety Are we going to move to a 3-4?

12-13-2009, 09:24 PM	#7
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: No matter how this year turns out Originally Posted by spkb25 Are we going to move to a 3-4? i dont think we should and im not sure what that has to do with the LBs speed? i dont think the 3-4 best suits our personel.....3-4 DEs are much more like DTs than DEs......will smith and charles grant arent defensive tackles sedrick ellis is strong and quick but isnt big enough to play 3-4 NT scott shanle is much better at playing pass coverage than blitzing.....fujita and he are just not built to blitz from the DE position and jonathan vilma was worthless in the 3-4.....he hated it and i dont blame him...... i hope we trade up for ndamakong suh.....he might bust but holy crap if he doesnt he will be one of the best DTs to ever play.....he doesnt have a single good move other than push the offensive linemen backwards he isnt all that quick but his strength and footwork is just unbelievable....unrivaled in any college DT ive ever seen
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12-13-2009, 09:34 PM	#8
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,138	Re: No matter how this year turns out Originally Posted by CantonLegend i dont think we should and im not sure what that has to do with the LBs speed? i dont think the 3-4 best suits our personel.....3-4 DEs are much more like DTs than DEs......will smith and charles grant arent defensive tackles sedrick ellis is strong and quick but isnt big enough to play 3-4 NT scott shanle is much better at playing pass coverage than blitzing.....fujita and he are just not built to blitz from the DE position and jonathan vilma was worthless in the 3-4.....he hated it and i dont blame him...... i hope we trade up for ndamakong suh.....he might bust but holy crap if he doesnt he will be one of the best DTs to ever play.....he doesnt have a single good move other than push the offensive linemen backwards he isnt all that quick but his strength and footwork is just unbelievable....unrivaled in any college DT ive ever seen I am not pushing for the 3-4, I was thinking that based off the fact that you said they were smaller, but that doesn't really make sense... I would like to see someone to compliment JV at the lb spot. SS seems slow to me. If a RB gets the corner and he is chasing it is painful to watch We need more athleticism there, IMHO

12-13-2009, 05:01 PM	#9
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,148	Re: No matter how this year turns out Good points by every one. I'm thinking about LT 1st and then let GW pick whoever he wants.

12-13-2009, 05:07 PM	#10
arsaint Saint Historian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker, somewhere under the brick & steel of a nondescript building.. Posts: 2,732	Re: No matter how this year turns out Speaking of GW, does the defense's recent performance actually LOWER the changes that we lose him to a head coaching job after this season???