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WW_Who_Dat 12-19-2009 10:53 PM

Why did we wait 3 otrs
 
We are playing the 8th ranked Run Defense and we wait the 4th quarter to open up and spread the field ..... ? Help me out here! :confused:

cargojon 12-19-2009 10:55 PM

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Payton didn't coach his best game here. Play calling was suspect, didn't double team Ware.

D_it_up 12-19-2009 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cargojon (Post 185495)
Payton didn't coach his best game here. Play calling was suspect, didn't double team Ware.

And no one seemed to be blocking Spencer. He was all over Brees. The offensive line played like absolute crap. Brees was WAY off his game. Devery dropping that pass in the end zone, Bush coming up gimpy when he had a lot of daylight ahead of him, and to agree with you, Payton's horrible job of play-calling in this game were huge factors in this loss.

In retrospect, maybe the Saints needed this loss. It should take a lot of pressure off of them now. They will steam-roll Tampa and if they clinch HFA, then the starters can rest against Carolina now that 16-0 is out the door. Get everyone healthy and get ready for the playoff run.

filaphill 12-19-2009 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by D_it_up (Post 185520)
And no one seemed to be blocking Spencer. He was all over Brees. The offensive line played like absolute crap. Brees was WAY off his game. Devery dropping that pass in the end zone, Bush coming up gimpy when he had a lot of daylight ahead of him, and to agree with you, Payton's horrible job of play-calling in this game were huge factors in this loss.

In retrospect, maybe the Saints needed this loss. It should take a lot of pressure off of them now. They will steam-roll Tampa and if they clinch HFA, then the starters can rest against Carolina now that 16-0 is out the door. Get everyone healthy and get ready for the playoff run.

Actually we need two more games but if the Vikings lose we only need one game to clinch HFA.

cargojon 12-19-2009 11:20 PM

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I can live with 15-1 but I want a 2 game win streak going into the playoffs.

CantonLegend 12-19-2009 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat (Post 185489)
We are playing the 8th ranked Run Defense and we wait the 4th quarter to open up and spread the field ..... ? Help me out here! :confused:

pass 1st down.....run 2nd down.......pass 3rd down......punt 4th down

tell me 1 series before the 4th qtr that this wasnt the sequence?

we ran the ball 13 ****ing times the entire game

guess how many times we passed? i'll save you from the pain of looking up the stats

we passed the ball 45 times this game

over the past 3 games drew has thrown the ball 134 times

thats 45 times per game......without balance we are weak

we averaged 5 ypc on the ground.....there is no reason we shouldnt have run the ball more at the beginning of the game

this thread is another one of those emotional threads with very little information to back it up

just like the jenkins thread

Halo 12-19-2009 11:26 PM

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It was a total team loss guys. Offense, offensive play call stunk, o-line stunk, Drew Brees STUNK, Defensive backfield gave up over 300 plus yards, d-line was good at times, offense didn't make a third down until minutes left in the 4th quarter, we let them get yards on kick returns, we stunk up the field in almost every aspect of the game. We almost came back to tie the game which speaks volumes but lets face it, we lost to the better team tonight.

21counterZ-trap 12-20-2009 04:33 AM

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pass 1st down.....run 2nd down.......pass 3rd down......punt 4th down
Actually, passing on 1st down and running on 2nd (and medium to long) is a good way to combat a pass rush , with that said, I wasn't thrilled about the play calling either.

UK_WhoDat 12-20-2009 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 185541)
...........we lost to the better team tonight.

No doubt. Wasn't even close.:(

SmashMouth 12-20-2009 08:31 AM

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Is it me, or did it seem like the defense did not put pressure until the fourth quarter? Did we purposely not blitz until it was too late?

Yeah ... O-line was major suckage.

Bottom line... Cowgirls needed this game more than the Saints and they played like it.

WW_Who_Dat 12-20-2009 08:33 AM

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Canton .... Your totals do reflect the fact we have not run the ball as much as we did earlier in the year. We did control the clock better thru the first 7 or 8 games, but since then the we have fallen behind / our running game has not been that dependable and we've been in the position of having to pass the ball.

Run the ball more!!!! ... we could not move the chains running the ball, Dallas had our running game stopped other than Reggie's run in the first half. When we finally spread the field in the 4th quarter both the passing game and the running game started working because we kept Dallas off balance. My thread was not emotional ... it was right out on the field to see, Dallas manhandled our run game ... FACT ... they had the best rated run defense that we've gone up against so far this year.

14 points behind going into the second half ,,, We are kicking off to Dallas ... Run the ball more ... Come On Man.

Missed blocking assignments and letting the game get to the point were we had no option but to pass gave Dallas the "Green Light Special" on Drew. Just really glad Drew did not get hurt!
JMHO

WW_WHO_DAT :praise:

SaintApple 12-20-2009 08:53 AM

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Saints played BAD... everyone was off. C0uple that with the fact that the Cowboys were playing their super bowl last night and the end result was a loss. Yet, the silver lining is that the Saints lost by 7 points!!!

Could Brees and co. have played any worse? They lost by 7. Agree 100%... take the pressure off. Let the colts deal with it now.

CantonLegend 12-20-2009 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat (Post 185669)
Canton .... Your totals do reflect the fact we have not run the ball as much as we did earlier in the year. We did control the clock better thru the first 7 or 8 games, but since then the we have fallen behind / our running game has not been that dependable and we've been in the position of having to pass the ball.

Run the ball more!!!! ... we could not move the chains running the ball, Dallas had our running game stopped other than Reggie's run in the first half. When we finally spread the field in the 4th quarter both the passing game and the running game started working because we kept Dallas off balance. My thread was not emotional ... it was right out on the field to see, Dallas manhandled our run game ... FACT ... they had the best rated run defense that we've gone up against so far this year.

14 points behind going into the second half ,,, We are kicking off to Dallas ... Run the ball more ... Come On Man.

Missed blocking assignments and letting the game get to the point were we had no option but to pass gave Dallas the "Green Light Special" on Drew. Just really glad Drew did not get hurt!
JMHO

WW_WHO_DAT :praise:

we ran the ball 8 times in the first half and only 3 times in the second half

in the first half we threw the ball 22 times which means we threw the ball at least 23 times in the 2nd half

what part about that says the cowboys shut down our run?......considering we only scored 3 points in the first half while passing the ball at a 3 to 1 ratio you'd think the head coach would see that we needed to change it up a little......we didnt have a successful drive until we got the ball with 38 seconds left in the 3rd qtr

and up until that point all we had done was pass the ball.....it just didnt work and we got away from the run so early that there was absolutely no reason for dallas to even think we would run it

im glad you clarified your post because some people just get crazy after a loss......i see now that you have a cool head but it doesnt change the fact that the passing game is what put us in a hole

the only thing that made our passing game look decent was the 2 drives in the 4th qtr that we scored on......until that point we couldnt move the ball through the air AT ALL......but we were averaging 5 ypc on the ground

SmashMouth 12-20-2009 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 185681)
we ran the ball 8 times in the first half and only 3 times in the second half

in the first half we threw the ball 22 times which means we threw the ball at least 23 times in the 2nd half

what part about that says the cowboys shut down our run?......considering we only scored 3 points in the first half while passing the ball at a 3 to 1 ratio you'd think the head coach would see that we needed to change it up a little......we didnt have a successful drive until we got the ball with 38 seconds left in the 3rd qtr

and up until that point all we had done was pass the ball.....it just didnt work and we got away from the run so early that there was absolutely no reason for dallas to even think we would run it

im glad you clarified your post because some people just get crazy after a loss......i see now that you have a cool head but it doesnt change the fact that the passing game is what put us in a hole

the only thing that made our passing game look decent was the 2 drives in the 4th qtr that we scored on......until that point we couldnt move the ball through the air AT ALL......but we were averaging 5 ypc on the ground

Great point ... SP coaching grade D-.

C17-BING 12-20-2009 09:24 AM

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Would have only been 2 bad quarters, but Henderson decided to drop a WIDE ASS OPEN TD early in the 3rd ... that would have had us rolling sooner!

D_it_up 12-20-2009 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by C17-BING (Post 185696)
Would have only been 2 bad quarters, but Henderson decided to drop a WIDE ASS OPEN TD early in the 3rd ... that would have had us rolling sooner!

I tried to put that play into perspective after the game. Although the Saints played pretty crappy through three quarters, in my opinion, Devery dropping that pass in the endzone was the biggest mistake at any point in the game. I know there is a lot of coulda, shoulda, woulda involved here, but if he hangs on to the ball and scores, the momentum would have shifted in the Saints' favor much earlier than it did and we would not be talking about a loss today.

CantonLegend 12-20-2009 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by D_it_up (Post 185728)
I tried to put that play into perspective after the game. Although the Saints played pretty crappy through three quarters, in my opinion, Devery dropping that pass in the endzone was the biggest mistake at any point in the game. I know there is a lot of coulda, shoulda, woulda involved here, but if he hangs on to the ball and scores, the momentum would have shifted in the Saints' favor much earlier than it did and we would not be talking about a loss today.

i know im just splitting hairs here

but even tho henderson dropped the pass......we still had possession of the ball

the biggest mistake would have to be drew throwing the ball about 5 yards too short and having it picked off at the 8 yard line....not only did we miss a huge opportunity but we lost possession at the same time

D_it_up 12-20-2009 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 185733)
i know im just splitting hairs here

but even tho henderson dropped the pass......we still had possession of the ball

the biggest mistake would have to be drew throwing the ball about 5 yards too short and having it picked off at the 8 yard line....not only did we miss a huge opportunity but we lost possession at the same time

I see your point, and that INT was huge in its own right. I just think that Devery's drop deflated the Saints for that offensive drive when it should have been a for sure score. Kind of took the wind out of their sails. I think Drew got rattled by Devery's drop. Drew kind of seemed shell-shocked from the start, but he really looked lost after that.

CantonLegend 12-20-2009 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by D_it_up (Post 185739)
I see your point, and that INT was huge in its own right. I just think that Devery's drop deflated the Saints for that offensive drive when it should have been a for sure score. Kind of took the wind out of their sails. I think Drew got rattled by Devery's drop. Drew kind of seemed shell-shocked from the start, but he really looked lost after that.

lol it just all stunk....last game made me realize just how young im going to die lol

D_it_up 12-20-2009 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 185744)
lol it just all stunk....last game made me realize just how young im going to die lol

HAHA! I know what you mean. I was at a bar filled with Saints' fans and I think there were three Cowboys fans. As soon as Ware got to Brees' causing him to fumble, I got up and left immediately, because I didn't want to hear those obnoxious Cowboys' fans gloating. I felt like my chest was about to cave in. lol

C17-BING 12-20-2009 11:54 AM

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Is it normal to still feel nauseas?

QBREES9 12-20-2009 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat (Post 185489)
We are playing the 8th ranked Run Defense and we wait the 4th quarter to open up and spread the field ..... ? Help me out here! :confused:

This is a great question, I wish I new the answer. Run what brought you here.

strato 12-20-2009 01:48 PM

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Well we sure didnt keep anybody in to help block...so i dont know..

leilung 12-20-2009 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by D_it_up (Post 185728)
I tried to put that play into perspective after the game. Although the Saints played pretty crappy through three quarters, in my opinion, Devery dropping that pass in the endzone was the biggest mistake at any point in the game.

I couldn't disagree more. The fact that EVERY time Austin busted one lose, he was being chased (not covered) by Jenkins put the D on the ropes far too often. Sharper has disappeared for the last 5 games, largely due to helping CB's who are busy biting on double moves and just generally being unable to cover.

Stop the Ranch hands from scoring that early strike, plus get Drew to stop coughing the ball up on sacks, and we win that one.

strato 12-20-2009 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by leilung (Post 185821)
I couldn't disagree more. The fact that EVERY time Austin busted one lose, he was being chased (not covered) by Jenkins put the D on the ropes far too often. Sharper has disappeared for the last 5 games, largely due to helping CB's who are busy biting on double moves and just generally being unable to cover.

Stop the Ranch hands from scoring that early strike, plus get Drew to stop coughing the ball up on sacks, and we win that one.


Yep that early strike was crucial...its Greer or bust now

D_it_up 12-20-2009 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by leilung (Post 185821)
I couldn't disagree more. The fact that EVERY time Austin busted one lose, he was being chased (not covered) by Jenkins put the D on the ropes far too often. Sharper has disappeared for the last 5 games, largely due to helping CB's who are busy biting on double moves and just generally being unable to cover.

Stop the Ranch hands from scoring that early strike, plus get Drew to stop coughing the ball up on sacks, and we win that one.

I see what you are saying, but read the rest of my post, and not just the first part. It's about momentum. After the Austin TD, Dallas had the momentum and they didn't let up for quite a while. However, after the Saints scored their first TD, the momentum shifted drastically in the favor of the Saints. They stopped Dallas on their next possession, got the ball back, and BAM....another score. The big slant play by Austin on 3rd down was what kept the clock winding down on Dallas' next possession, but Folk botched the FG later. The momentum was still in our favor. They didn't capitalize, but the shift in momentum was easy to see. Had Devery made that TD catch, the momentum would have come a lot sooner than it did, and we probably wouldn't be talking about a loss today.


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