What do nyou make of the Viqueen controversey?
 

Farve and Chilcress . . . Brett Favre of Minnesota Vikings questions Brad Childress over attempt to pull him from game - ESPN

I think there is a big storm brewing here when one player feels he is bigger than his team!

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Those darn nords..lol..really not being an ass here but i could care a less...let them implode!

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Favre thinks he's bigger than team. Bro, I honestly believe he thinks he's bigger than
the entire Green Bay franchise. He held them hostage with his "retirement" speeches,
for like four years. He even held the vikes hostage all summer, with his bs.
I'm with strat on this one. I hope they implode too. Maybe he will finally reallize
he is not the "NFL".

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favre's been an egotistical tool his whole life....screw him and the vikings for thinking he could save them. i hope they go the way of the lions and i hope no one respects his tarnished name, ever.

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My first thought was that this was typical Brett Favre thinking he's larger than life but after thinking about it, Childress put him in a bad situation even though I agree with you guys when you speak of egotistical etc in reference to Favre.

Favre came to the Vikings just before the season began and the first thing he had to do was win his teamates over and establish himself as a leader. T. Jackson had been there a few years and you know he must have had some close friends on the team and it was up to Favre either with his play, or leadership to win everyone over and try to unite the lockerroom.

Well Sunday night here they are in a 7-6 game with home field playoff implications and Childress wants to pull him because the defense is hitting him too much?? I mean, if Favre would have came out for these reasons, it chips away at everything he's built with the team up to this point. It not only takes his chance to either pull the win out with the team or go down with the fighting, but it could be mistaken for preferencial treatment for Favre if the reason he's being taken out is so that he won't have to endure the hits.

So, I can see it both ways but, the bottom line is, you can't undermine your coach by refusing to do what he thinks is best even if you ARE older than him. LOL.

The Panthers went on to win 26-7 so, in hindsight, it may have been strategically better that he give way to Jackson in this particular game. He may have been able to avoid the rush better.

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IMO farve to me is someone you dont come across often.. i mean, you can call him a douche bag or whatever but he did bring that vikes team together.. no disrespect to T. Jackson but farve was a tad bit better or maybe alot better.. idk.. but i do agree with you guys... but it doesnt really concern me besides the idea of clinching playoff spot. so let them loose so we can recuperate.

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They're going down in flames!!!!!!

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Well said fellas...Call him whatever names you want (mostly bc you just dislike him) but Favre is the leader of what was a misguided team and is the difference in this Vikings team's success.

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I don't quote, dislike they guy, I don't know him personally. So the only thing I have to go
by is the way he presents himself. As a football player, yes, I agree, he speaks very loudly
with his abilities. Off the field though, he comes across as someone who thinks he's bigger
than the game itself.

He holds every freakin record at the position, and unlike marino, has a SB ring to go with
it. I just see him going down the same path that Jerry Rice did right now, except Jerry
was less of a d!ck about it.

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... well, the season is not over yet with 2 games to go, but so far, the Farves have won exactly one more game in 2009 (11-3) than 2008 (10-6), so the Vikings weren't that bad to begin with. To say they were "misguided" I think is a stretch. They didn't have a solid QB the past 2 seasons, but they were hardly a bad team.

The reality is, Madden created Farve the living legend, and frankly, he is not. And because of this aura of being a living legend, people are quick to dismiss things like his tantrum last Sunday, and coaches treat them with kids' gloves, as it was the case with Mangini last year with the Jets, and it is now with Childress in Minnesota.

Childress is no dummy... he saw the pounding Prima Diva was taking, and knew, even if Prima Diva walked out of the field, that pounding was going to affect that 40-year-old body in future games. What Childress should've done, is put his neuticles back on and tell Prima Diva to sit his ass. But noooo, how can anyone dare to go against HRH?

But, hey, what better Farve than a hand-shaking Farve throwing INTs in December and January, uh?

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Thanks Julius Peppers..

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Favre thinks that the NFL should revolve around him. I respect what he has done and the records he will leave, but aside from that I'm not a fan. I'm easy going but Favre and I had a run in at a bar some years back....his posse kept him from stepping outside. Anyway, let them implode.;)

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Now, they are saying that the problems started weeks ago, because favre has been changing
play calls in the huddle, and at the line of scrimmage. No wonder Peterson hasn't been getting
as many touches as he's used too.

If any other QB in the league, short of the big 3, (manning,
Brady, Brees), were doing this, I don't think ESPN would be backing him. Head coach, is head coach
I don't care how old, or who u are. Favre might run teams, but also has the ability to run them
into the ground.

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Childress wanted to pull him because he thought Peppers was going to break the old man's hip. :p

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And then Favre gave him some lip..

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Brett Favre = T.O.
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Don't you mean by the way the media portrays him??? C'mon man, none of us knows what really goes on behind closed doors. ESPN only feeds on the bits and pieces of what's thrown to them...

The guy only wants to win football games.

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But Favre made them a playoff team/superbowl contender and that's all that matters. Do you think anyone in Viking land had that kind of confidence in Tavaris or Sage??? That's why i say "misguided".

And tell me exactly how Madden made Favre one of the most prolific QB's in the NFL? Did he pad his stats? Did he block for him? Catch his TD passes??

Look, we all know Favre is a guy who wants to win and I'll admit he basks in the lime light long enough to get a 3rd degree burn - but Childress LOVES what he has with Favre at QB. The guy plays with passion and YES that can be bad sometimes. Child's job is to control that and he probably should have hired a full time nanny. :)

Agree that Childress should have nutted up and benched his star.

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Well, didn't the Vikings go to the playoffs last year? :)

In re: Madden - I am not talking stats. I am talking the way Madden found a way to mention Farve every single time he had a microphone in front of him, and how he saw everything Farve did as "heroic". Hey, he was the Packers' QB who brought back the Lombardi to Green Bay, the play of everyone around him notwithstanding.

The numbers, when you play that long, you'll get the padded numbers, eventually. But his records are only indicative of how long he's been playing. Granted, that he has been playing 17 years in the NFL is on itself a feat, although 11 years short of George Blanda's record :) .

There are some records, though, he never got close to, and he never will, like Marino's 5084 yards in a season, or Brady's 50 TD passes, or number of SB rings. If you check this link to NFL passing records , you'll see his name is only associated with records that would take time to accumulate.

I never cared much about Farve, but I really started disliking him after his comments when Aaron Rodgers was drafted.

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Ya never see Peyton Manning acting like this.

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Especially if that one player happens to be 40 years old.

Well, I guess Favre is going to try to eclipse George Blanda's record.

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I don't really have a side on this, I understand why Chilly wanted to bench him, and I see why Favre wanted to stay in. A true leader, like Favre, will take the good with the bad and keep at it like a man. Him not wanting to come out is actually a good sign.

I do agree with Favre being somewhat of a butt hole. The way he treated Green Bay for like four years was just a bit much. Retired, not retired, retired, not retired, I mean, WTF? He even pulled that crap with the Vikings this year and I assume will do it again after the playoffs are over.

Truth be told, he is the main reason the Vikings are 11-3. There is no way TJ or Sage would have them in this position right now. He is the final piece of the puzzle that may win Minnesota a Super Bowl.

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I think it really boils down to Farve's bigger than life ego. It has taken on a life of it's own.

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Did they go to the playoffs last year?? Dammit TR, you and your details... lol :)

Now you can argue that Favre's records are directly tied to his tenure, BUT: the guy is performing at a higher level than most younger QB's in the league today...despite his age.

Sometimes I think Madden only used the words he really enjoyed saying, like "boom" and "pow" and "gruble guubllele Brett Favre"...

Records aside, the guy is here for one reason and one reason only. Another ring.... (and maybe some attention)

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But wouldn't you agree 76, that since they have gotten away from the running game, and gone pass happy, they haven't looked as good as they did? Peterson is the key their success, seriously. Now, I just hope they don't listen to me, because I for one am happy they are losing. :)

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I think it's been blown way out of proportion. Favre is there to win a Championship. Not be a franchise player. Favre is a vet and isn't going to let some head coach he hardly has a relationship with try and bench him

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Now that is a novel idea you have come up with Ezekial. What an innovative concept. Fire Childress and make Farve the HC/QB. That is brilliant! I think that might work if you have a QB that feels like he is bigger than the whole team or bigger than the whole of the NFL.

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Teams have adjusted to the Vikings just as they have to the Saints.

Peterson hasn't won games for them like Favre has. Yes, he has 1,200 yards but so do Jones Drew, Stephen Jackson, Thomas Jones and (arguably the best RB in the league right now) Chris Johnson.

Any of those teams making the playoffs???

Now, the real question is if Favre can hold up... It's not looking likely right now.

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Let the Viqueeens continue in controversy. I really don't care. All my energy is for the Saints.

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Well they stacked the box on AP last season
too, and he still got his yards, and the vikes
made the play offs. That was the point childress
was trying to make. He wants the running game to
continue, even if Brett sees something he doesn't
like at the line.