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Chargers' win streak, gaudy numbers push Rivers into MVP race

The race for the Most Valuable Player award has seemingly morphed into a two-horse race between Peyton Manning and Drew Brees, but when you poll league executives there is another quarterback worthy of inclusion.

Philip Rivers has quietly enjoyed a sensational season directing the Chargers' aerial attack, and the scouting community can't stop singing his praises.

"He is a very underrated quarterback in this league," said an AFC personnel director. "Tough, competitive and productive. ... He has shown up when others haven't in big games."

Chargers' win streak, gaudy numbers push Rivers into MVP race

Hey guys... this is no intention to take any credit away from Drew and/or to say my QB is better than yours. As of now, I think Drew very much deserves MVP but this is a cool article.

It also contains a video where Phillip discusses the days with him and Drew on the same team and gives Drew major props. He felt that the QB situation brought out the best in both players and that they are still friends today.

It also contains a good amount of Saints and Brees footage. So you guys might enjoy it.

It also contains a MVP poll.

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If they go on Leadership ..Good Qualities and overall being good person..Brees wins hands down..

Re: Chargers' win streak, gaudy numbers push Rivers into MVP race

Rivers is having a great year, but right now it really has to come down between Manning and Brees. One thing that amazes me about Rivers and the Chargers, is they are taking care of business with a very limited running game. Of course you can say that about the Colts too, but in the Colts case that was pretty much expected...

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 186714)

If they go on Leadership ..Good Qualities and overall being good person..Brees wins hands down..

They're both great leaders and great QBs. Very different but both are top 3 in the league.

If you saw that video... both have a tremendous amount of respect for each other.

Re: Chargers' win streak, gaudy numbers push Rivers into MVP race

This thread should be moved to the NFL forum.

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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 186782)

This thread should be moved to the NFL forum.

Well that's not up to me but as it mentions... "The race for the Most Valuable Player award has seemingly morphed into a two-horse race between Brees and Manning."

If you checked out the video, there is saints and Brees coverage.

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Not that this has anything to do with the MVP race but does anyone know what Rivers contract is? What about Drew's when he was with the Bolts?

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Originally Posted by P'colaWhoDat (Post 186784)

Not that this has anything to do with the MVP race but does anyone know what Rivers contract is? What about Drew's when he was with the Bolts?

Rivers signed a 6 year extension worth 92M during the off season.

Drew's original contract with the Bolts was from 2001 to 2004... then he signed a one year extension into 2005. I can't remember the value, I'll have to research... but I know his one year extension was 8M.

Re: Chargers' win streak, gaudy numbers push Rivers into MVP race

Wow. For that he better be in the MVP race. Thanks for the info. No need for the Bree's numbers. I was just wondering how much the Chargers saved when they let Drew go.

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Originally Posted by P'colaWhoDat (Post 186787)

Wow. For that he better be in the MVP race. Thanks for the info. No need for the Bree's numbers. I was just wondering how much the Chargers saved when they let Drew go.

Sure thing. I haven't found the value of Drew's original contract with the Chargers yet but I found something interesting...
After the 2005 season, the Chargers offered Brees a 5-year, $50 million contract that paid $2 million in base salary the first year and the rest heavily based on performance incentives. Brees took the incentive-based offer as a sign of no confidence by the Chargers and promptly demanded the type of money a top 5 "franchise" quarterback would receive.

Drew Brees - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Drew Brees - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know wikipedia isn't the most accurate but I do remember that the Chargers wanted him to return.

Re: Chargers' win streak, gaudy numbers push Rivers into MVP race

Bump...I want to make sure all the Charger threads are kept right up at the top. Maybe if I do this long enough people will get tired of this guy posting all this SD garbage.

Personally, I would prefer to see the son of NO's favorite son going against our Saints then Freaky Fill-up Rivers.

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this is very much saints stuff. Bolt is just starting the crying when drew wins MVP. it is a heads up for us and will give us time to get our one liners ready for the cry babies. LOL

Both are solid. Right now i have to give it to Rivers over the past 6 games. He has played better than other QB in the NFL. BUT Drew is the man leading the saints to the promise land the saints have never gotten this much press. So if this is the year for Drew it looks pretty good. Now we need the Colts to fall.

As for Bolt posting here I am all for it. Even if the bolts site refused to let join. LOL There is a mod input.

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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 186782)

This thread should be moved to the NFL forum.

Go back to SR if you like helping the mods out so much.

This is a good thread. Of interest to Saints fans.

I don't think Drew Brees is the Most Valuable Player. If he was the Saints would have won more games in 07, and 08.

The defense is Most Valuable Player for the Saints.

Manning fits the description a little better.

If you are looking for Greatest Player, Leader on and off the field, Brees wins easily.

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Originally Posted by gumbeau (Post 186801)

First, I don't "like helping the mods out so much". The post was directed to the original poster who keeps posting the same rehash Chargers/Rivers stuff on the Saints forum. And that's that.

Second, considering that I've been posting on this forum since like 1998, nah, I'll stay here. I like here.. although, lately we have had this influx of rejects who get banned from other boards that are bringing the quality of the site down.

And for your benefit, here's the tile AND the content of the article. I have taken the liberty to hi-light all mention of any Saints stuff. As you can see, Drew Brees is mentioned twice and the Saints are mentioned once, and only as means to comparison to Rivers/Colts. That's 4 words out of 1490.

This is an article about Phillip Rivers, period. It should be moved to the NFL forum.

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Chargers' win streak, gaudy numbers push Rivers into MVP race

The race for the Most Valuable Player award has seemingly morphed into a two-horse race between Peyton Manning and Drew Brees, but when you poll league executives there is another quarterback worthy of inclusion.

Philip Rivers has quietly enjoyed a sensational season directing the Chargers' aerial attack, and the scouting community can't stop singing his praises.

"He is a very underrated quarterback in this league," said an AFC personnel director. "Tough, competitive and productive. ... He has shown up when others haven't in big games."

Rivers, who has guided the Chargers on a nine-game winning streak, has put up numbers that rival the aforementioned frontrunners for the award. The fifth-year pro is averaging 277.9 passing yards per game while completing 64.6 percent of his passes. His 102.8 passer rating ranks third in the league, and he has thrown the sixth-most touchdowns (25) in the league.

While those gaudy numbers would satisfy the most ardent stat cruncher, it is Rivers' leadership and poise that have pushed him into contention.

He has guided the Chargers to three game-winning drives in the fourth quarter this season and repeatedly shown a penchant for making clutch plays with the game on the line. Against the Bengals, Rivers continued that trend by connecting on three of four passes (not including a spike that killed the clock) during the team's final drive while moving the Chargers 46 yards in only 51 seconds without a timeout at his disposal.

Rivers' superb play in crucial moments is part of the reason Norv Turner has increasingly allowed his young signal caller to be the driving force behind the offense. In the past, the Chargers relied on the mercurial talents of LaDainian Tomlinson to serve as the foundation of the team's attack. However, the team's running game has struggled this season (the Chargers rank 30th in rush offense), and the onus has fallen on Rivers to guide the team's one-dimensional attack.

Rivers, who has three 300-yard games this season, has responded in outstanding fashion with more responsibility on his shoulders.

Although the Chargers' scattershot running game has allowed defenses to drop extra defenders into coverage, Rivers has found a way to successfully push the ball down the field. Vincent Jackson, Malcom Floyd and Antonio Gates have repeatedly gotten past defenders on deep routes, and Rivers has been on point connecting with the trio on vertical throws.

The Chargers' 57 completions of 20 yards or more ties them with the Colts and Saints as the league leaders, and the bevy of deep throws have keyed the team's current nine-game winning streak.

With wins serving as the biggest barometer of a quarterback's success, Rivers has compiled a resume that warrants serious consideration as a MVP candidate. He is still unbeaten in the month of December for the fourth season in a row (17-game winning streak), and his remarkable ability to close out games under pressure has undoubtedly been one of the reasons the Chargers repeatedly enter the postseason as one of the league's hottest teams.

Given the sizzling play of Rivers and the Chargers this season, voters should pause before automatically punching the names of Brees or Manning on their ballots.
Purple haze

Lost in the aftermath of the Brett Favre sideline controversy has been the slumping performance of the Vikings' offense in recent weeks. The unit has fallen off dramatically during the team's recent slide, and the underachievement can be attributed to a myriad of factors.

Adrian Peterson's diminished role in the Vikings' offense has contributed to the unit's recent shortcomings.
Vikings' production this season
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Brett Favre, who was under consideration for the MVP award after guiding the team to a sizzling 10-1 start, has started to turn the ball over regularly. His penchant for taking sacks is killing drives. When the Vikings rolled earlier in the season, the aerial attack functioned as a complement to Adrian Peterson, with a quick, rhythm passing game acting as the basis.

Brad Childress' scheme features a host of three- and five-step drops that requires the quarterback to get rid of the ball on time. Favre, on the other hand, is at his best when improvising in the pocket and making plays in a "sandlot" fashion. Though he stayed within the confines of Childress' disciplined scheme early in the season, he has reverted back to his maverick ways. Favre has increasingly started to force the ball up the field, which has resulted in more throws into tight coverage and an increase in interceptions.

In addition, the team's reliance on Favre has diminished Peterson's role in the offense. The two-time Pro Bowler has been held to less than 100 yards in each of the team's past three games, failing to surpass 35 yards in two of those contests. While defenses have success using eight- and nine-man fronts to slow down Peterson, it has been the lack of touches that has been the bigger reason for his subpar production. In the team's two recent losses, he has only carried the ball 25 times combined. The team's refusal to commit to the running game has allowed defenses to aggressively come after Favre in the pocket.

Although it is easy to single out the performances of the Vikings' biggest stars, it is the suspect play of the Vikings' highly priced offensive line that has contributed to their struggles. Bryant McKinnie's struggle to block Julius Peppers underscores the issues that have resurfaced for the unit. The offensive line was designed to road grade, but the Vikings' increased emphasis on the passing game has exposed their vulnerabilities. Without being able to come off aggressively on play action, the unit lacks quickness and agility to handle speed rushers off the edge.

Until the Vikings get back to utilizing the formidable combination of a powerful ground attack complemented by a quick, rhythm passing game, their offense will suffer from inconsistency, and the fingers will start to point at Childress for an inexplicable shift in his offensive approach.

Look familiar?

Raheem Morris' first season as a head coach has included its fair share of mishaps, but his decision to take over the team's defense has been one of his best moves.

Since Morris replaced Jim Bates as the team's defensive play caller, the Buccaneers have started to look capable of upholding the legacy of Tampa Bay defenses of old. And Morris has reverted back to the Tampa-2 philosophy that made those units great.

For most of the decade, the Bucs dominated the league using a one-gap scheme with an assortment of zone-based coverage principles to stuff running games and suffocate aerial attacks. The system was designed to limit big plays, so that opponents were forced to drive the length of the field on a series of short gains to score. Ideally, opponents would lack the patience to methodically move the ball down the field, and commit turnovers or miscues before scoring touchdowns. With opponents routinely forced to settle for field goals, the Bucs perennially ranked among the league leaders in points allowed.

Morris' installation of Bates as the defensive coordinator led to a dramatic shift in defensive philosophy, and the change didn't yield great results initially. Bates' preference for using a host of blitz pressures with bump-man coverage on the outside resulted in numerous big plays surrendered by the Buccaneers defense. At the time of his demotion, the Bucs ranked last in run defense and 31st in scoring defense.

Although Morris has downplayed the return back to the Tampa-2 scheme, it is apparent that the team has returned to the principles that allowed the defense to finish in the top 10 in 10 of the 12 previous seasons.

Against the Seahawks, the Bucs mixed in their traditional two-deep coverage on long yardage passing downs and threw an assortment of looks at Matt Hasselbeck on early downs. Morris used conventional three-deep zone coverage, some zone-blitz pressures and "quarters" coverage to keep Hasselbeck off balance.

While the disruption of Hasselbeck's rhythm was a factor, most important part of Morris' game plan was keeping the ball in front of the defense. By not allowing the ball to fly over their heads, the Bucs are capable of holding offenses down.

With the defense finally headed in the right direction, Morris has not only proven that he has the potential to be a masterful defensive architect, but he has likely saved his standing as the Bucs' head coach.

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Originally Posted by tobias-reiper (Post 186809)

first, i don't "like helping the mods out so much". The post was directed to the original poster who keeps posting the same rehash chargers/rivers stuff on the saints forum. And that's that.

Second, considering that i've been posting on this forum since like 1998, nah, i'll stay here. I like here.. Although, lately we have had this influx of rejects who get banned from other boards that are bringing the quality of the site down.

And for your benefit, here's the tile and the content of the article. I have taken the liberty to hi-light all mention of any saints stuff. As you can see, drew brees is mentioned twice and the saints are mentioned once, and only as means to comparison to rivers/colts. That's 4 words out of 1490.

This is an article about phillip rivers, period. It should be moved to the nfl forum.

Bravo!!!

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Who cares if it is about Rivers?

If this board is going to become one where folks are afraid to post something because it was posted already, might not be completely relevant, isn't in the "correct" forum, etc etc and other board members are going to call them out for doing it then it has no reason to exist.

We already have a Saints board for that sort of behavior.

When I go to a bar and a fan wants to talk about his team, I don't ask him to go someplace else. My wife and I sat with Cowboy fans we didn't know at Woodrow's for the Cowboys game. We invited them to sit there.

We enjoyed it.

This is my virtual Saints bar not my virtual Saints secret clubhouse, decoder ring included.

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 186800)

LOL. There's no crying in football. Besides, if Brees wins it... that's cool cause I like him.
I prefer Payton does not win it cause I hate the Ponies.

As for the other comments.... yes, this article is about Rivers but what is that topic? Rivers gaining ground on Drew's lead of MVP.

People who said they were refused... Bolt Talk won't refuse you, cause we have fans of different teams in there... though Retard and Donkey fans stay out due to embarrassment. :mrgreen:

Re: Chargers' win streak, gaudy numbers push Rivers into MVP race

Yuck the Bolts!! There I said it.

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im pretty sure if i want this thread on the NFL forum.. ill move it myself..

thanks..

pak

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Man, I liked what I saw last night... BRING ON THE PONIES!!!

Re: Chargers' win streak, gaudy numbers push Rivers into MVP race

theres a reason for everything and thank the allmighty for drew in the big easy

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we can all say what we want but its a how you average out that wins the mvp not what you did for me lately, ala rivers, drew and manning has gone from start to 13-0 then drew 13-1 manning 14-0 and now rivers 12-3 and then comes drew 14-1( pretty sure anyway) manning 15-0 so lets give the mvp to surely not to phillip. but drew or manning will win it.

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i think that if brees dont get it he is truly robbed. no other qb had did for their organization that brees did for new orleans. Besides Peyton of Course.It just seems like drew is getting looked at negatively at one game. SO not fair lol

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I think it's going to Peyton with Brees, Chris Johnson, and Philip Rivers all going behind him in no particular order. I think all is deserving and only one is going to win it.

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Originally Posted by DrewDat (Post 187052)

This I agree with. Brees should get it but it's hard to fight NFL bias, so unfortunately probably will go to Manning. All the negativity that Brees is getting for ONE game in NFL's excuse for that!

With that said, I don't expect Rivers to get it or do I think he should (unless Brees completely falls apart in the last two games).
But what I'm loving about this is how the NFL has tried to make Rivers look like a villain and wished bad things on him (yes, some of it he did bring on himself)... now he's doing so good that they can't deny his ability anymore!!!

You know... we were the villains going into Indy in th 2007 playoffs and I kind of like it that way!!! WE ARE THE NFL'S PARTY CRASHERS!!! :D