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Great - YET ANOTHER Defensive injury - We are limping into the playoffs.

THIS IS NOT A GOOD SIGN!!

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Don't forget it was Grant that was out of position when Jonathon Stewart popped that long one on us last week.

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A little more pressure from the other side can only help Bill's production. Chuck simply wasn't providing that supporting pressure.

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My first thought about this was that while Grant wasn't all we hoped for he was the starting DE for the Saints. He must be the second best DE the Saints had right? I won't challenge G. Williams if that's what he believed.

My second thought was a question. Who fills in? McCray just got a DUI last week right? I guess my hope is a bit renewed in Spicer but I'm not liking this too much.

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McCray will fill in quite nicely with Charleston/Spicer rotating backups. McCray won't be suspended anytime soon if at all.

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I would love to see Tony Hargrove get the nod. He is a natural DE who has been filling the role of DT. Mario Pressley is also another high motor type who can fill the role. I have always liked Spicer, but there wasn't room for him at the beginning of the season with all the depth we had at DE. But, I see Spicer as depth rather than as a starter. Sure, I can see him getting time, especially when we go with the three DE alignment along with Ellis, but I would like to see Hargrove getting the bulk of the play opposite Smith.

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Well its a bit more complicated that that. McCray is probably better suited at RDE than LDE, and he isn't beating out Will Smith.

If Will Smith were to go down, McRay would be a better RDE than Grant would.

Spicer is a lot like Grant and Hargrove in that he has the bulk to play LDE effectively against the run, and can slide inside and play the 3-tech nicely on pass downs.

Hargrove and the suspensions being placed on hold were the main reasons Spicer was let go IMO. And also McRay is probably a better back-up at both spots than Spicer is. Spicer is probably a very poor option at RDE.

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That's all true Danno. But I still think McCray gets the start in Grant's spot. He has played there at times anyway. And don't forget this guy. I bet we see more of him than Spicer.

Jeff Charleston | #97 | DE
New Orleans Saints | Official Team Site
Height: 6-4 Weight: 265 Age: 26 Born: 1/19/1983 Oregon City , OR
College: Idaho State
Experience: 3rd season
High School: Central HS [Independence, OR]

As far as Hargrove. I doubt he plays DE since we really need him in the middle. Pressley hasn't proven he can cut it as that guy and Hargrove is way to valuable on the interior d-line.

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Probably true. Spicer is here strictly for depth in the rotation. And I agree, Hargrove is probably our best LDE option, but it would weaken our DT's way too much to make him switch.

McCray has back problems so that worries me.

I also would not be surprised if we made some more moves. Spicer may not be here very long.

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Was it just me (and my slow, poor resolution work computer) or was Pressley involved in a lot of run stuffs last week? If so, he might be a blessing in disguise.

And hopefully Charleston will come on like he did in that game last year (I forget which one) when he had two sacks allowing Hargrove to stay in the middle.

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Well he was credited with 3 solo tackles, and for a space eating DT whose main job is to occupy blockers, thats above average.

Good observation.

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Well my two cents is this. If I had a choice of getting Grant, or Clancy, back for the play offs, I would take Clancy everyday of the week, and twice on Sunday! I'm not a big "Grant" fan. I haven't been since we drafted him. Too fat, and too slow. Unmotivated..... Actually sounds alot like me, no wonder I don't like him!

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you know this really does'nt bother me that much. he was actually showing old age,at 31 its its not his prime its his primadonna that killed me.lol just kidding. i never liked his over persusing agressiveness. its what costs us 60+yard tds

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its so funny how wearing all black makes you look so skinny and weak.,i still say kill the all black uni's, were 0-2 the last games in them

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the predator looked good his first game back?

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Hargrove in Grant's spot could be very interesting :o)

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I ain't gonna miss Grant...re-watching some of the games and the majority of longer runs were on his side. Looking at his stats, he is LAZY, meaning some plays he busts his butt but the others he sits on it. Plus he was the clear definition of a non-factor/waste-of-space in the bigger games. Someone mentioned he had his biggest games against the worst teams, and for his money, that ain't worth missing. He wouldn't be going against STL's line or TB's line next week, so we're actually gaining by subtraction. But I'd take him any day of the week if we were playing STL in the conference championship game.

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Started to skip this thread but I could not help myself. Grant by far is my least favorite Saint. Totally agree he has not shown up since payday and time for him to go. Think his departure will actually help this team. Hope the next news I hear about Grant is a trade or release announcement. If we get everyone else ready to help I think Hargrove can take the majority of the load and be at least as effective as Grant has been which should not be that hard to do. In fact if we do not get better play out of him than Grant we are going suffer and give up long runs.