Originally Posted by cargojon (Post 191260)

OK, so the Cards fans are all hot to trot about Beanie Wells. How he's averaged XXX yards per carry, blah blah blah.

Here's the dirty little secret on Wells:

He'll usually have one long run in a game, and aside from that average 4 ypc or under.

Examples:
Sunday vs. Green Bay - 14 carries, 91 yards, 6.5 ypc. But had 1 run of 42 yards...take that out and he's at 3.7 ypc. Very mediocre.

Week 14 vs. San Fran - 15 carries, 79 yards, 5.3 ypc. But had 1 run of 23 yards...take that out and he's at 4 ypc. Very average.

Week 10 vs. Seattle - 16 carries, 85 yards, 5.3 ypc. But had 1 run of 29 yards...take that out and he's back to 3.7 ypc. Very mediocre

Only real exception to this rule I can find is vs. the Lion in week 15. 17 carries, 110 yards, 6.5 ypc. Still had a carry of 33 yards, which if you take out results in a 4.8 ypc average...which is decent - but it's the Lions...so yeah.

The point is - Beanie might hit you for a big play once a game (20+ yards). If you don't let that one hurt you, you pretty much have a below average running back on your hands averaging under 4 ypc.

Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 191278)

Those numbers sound good to me. The kid has promise and has played well. I'll still take Jenkins over him due to the fact that the Saints have above average RB's and Jenkins has played well when not forced in to a starting CB position.

Originally Posted by cargojon (Post 191283)

Reggie Bush averaged 3.7 ypc his first three years in the league and everyone was ready to run him out of town. ;)

I think Beanie CAN be good if he stays healthy. Right now though, I'm not scared of him. DeAngelo Williams, Michael Turner, etc. he is not.

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 191284)

if we had a running back that could run 15 times for nearly 100 yards every game then i would be more than happy with his production

you can not take away his accomplishments.....he earned those runs.....if he gets fed the ball only 10 to 15 times a game and still manages to pop off at least one long run then you shouldnt take that away because there are a lot more backs in the league that can run 20 to 25 times per game and not manage to pull off one of those big gainers

wells is goin to be a star in the league because he had the ability to learn behind a veteran line and a second year starter

he didnt have to jump into the starting lineup in game 1 and be a stud.....he had time to develop and when he made a mistake, he got to see what a proven guy would do in that situation

beanie is a legitimate threat because he can knock off those big runs

and most running backs in the league cant manage a 100 yard game without some type of big play at any given point in the game

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 191284)

if we had a running back that could run 15 times for nearly 100 yards every game then i would be more than happy with his production

you can not take away his accomplishments.....he earned those runs.....if he gets fed the ball only 10 to 15 times a game and still manages to pop off at least one long run then you shouldnt take that away because there are a lot more backs in the league that can run 20 to 25 times per game and not manage to pull off one of those big gainers

wells is goin to be a star in the league because he had the ability to learn behind a veteran line and a second year starter

he didnt have to jump into the starting lineup in game 1 and be a stud.....he had time to develop and when he made a mistake, he got to see what a proven guy would do in that situation

beanie is a legitimate threat because he can knock off those big runs

and most running backs in the league cant manage a 100 yard game without some type of big play at any given point in the game

Originally Posted by papz (Post 191337)

Beanie has played well this year... the only thing that's plagued him this year is his inability to hold on to the football. You can't take those 20 yard runs away from him. Those 3 and 4 yard grinders eventually set up his long runs. Back in the day when Deuce was here, his constant pounding allowed him to break those long runs down the field. Also having a less than 4 YPC average does not make you a below average running back.

Jerome Bettis averaged 3.9 YPC for his career. I don't know if you have watched Jamal Charles play this year, but if you take away all those long runs he had, I guess that makes him a below average running back also... which is ridiculous. You can't fault him for consistently breaking long runs.

Originally Posted by strato (Post 191288)

Spoken like a true Ohio State Fan...lol..he will be a good back..i wanted to draft him..

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 191339)

dont tell me about my fanhood of ohio state.....i root for the big 10 because of where i live just like you all defend SEC players even if they suck

beanie is a good football player.....give him his due and dont pretend like me rooting for michigan has anythin to do with how i view an ohio state player

Originally Posted by cargojon (Post 191291)

Beanie's only broken 100 once this year, and only broken 80 once as well (not counting this playoff game).

Originally Posted by strato (Post 191341)

Chill out bra...lol..i root for the big 12..i was sorta agreeing with you..

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 191525)

yea dont count the game against the 2nd rated defense in the league...that wouldnt make sense



and here is the difference.....PT is our starter...wells is the 2nd string guy....at least for the majority of the season he was

just like bell, he was their short yardage guy in certain situations....despite hightower being the bigger back and the better receiver, wells still got his short yardage touches and ended up turning them into big gains......you dont see that out of bell a whole lot

his short yardage is due in large part to their offensive scheme and line......they dont have the best run blocking line....and they like to pass a lot more than run.....just like we did that past several games......and look how our rushing production dropped

the bad thing is that we dont commit to the run like the cardinals did.....when wells ran for only 2 or 3 yards, they still fed him the ball....when PT ran for only 2 or 3 yards we went back to passing






sorry but i once read a post that coincides greatly with this issue at hand

keep your college football discussion out of my saints conversation

what that topic is doing is turning fellow saints fans against each other because of where they live and the other affiliations they have......im more than willing to talk about college football.....but not here

i could go on for days about the rebirth of the big 10 and the flaws of the spread offense but because of the separation it creates among fellow saints fans, i choose not to

responding with a post that simply says, "spoken like a true ohio state fan," implies that what i said had no basis because of my obvious bias towards that player.....the same reason why many people didnt want to draft him is not the same reason why i like him.....

it has very little to do with the big 10

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 191525)

yea dont count the game against the 2nd rated defense in the league...that wouldnt make sense



and here is the difference.....PT is our starter...wells is the 2nd string guy....at least for the majority of the season he was

just like bell, he was their short yardage guy in certain situations....despite hightower being the bigger back and the better receiver, wells still got his short yardage touches and ended up turning them into big gains......you dont see that out of bell a whole lot

his short yardage is due in large part to their offensive scheme and line......they dont have the best run blocking line....and they like to pass a lot more than run.....just like we did that past several games......and look how our rushing production dropped

the bad thing is that we dont commit to the run like the cardinals did.....when wells ran for only 2 or 3 yards, they still fed him the ball....when PT ran for only 2 or 3 yards we went back to passing






sorry but i once read a post that coincides greatly with this issue at hand

keep your college football discussion out of my saints conversation

what that topic is doing is turning fellow saints fans against each other because of where they live and the other affiliations they have......im more than willing to talk about college football.....but not here

i could go on for days about the rebirth of the big 10 and the flaws of the spread offense but because of the separation it creates among fellow saints fans, i choose not to

responding with a post that simply says, "spoken like a true ohio state fan," implies that what i said had no basis because of my obvious bias towards that player.....the same reason why many people didnt want to draft him is not the same reason why i like him.....

it has very little to do with the big 10

Originally Posted by cargojon (Post 191548)

Man you woulda thought I dissed an LSU player on SR.com or something. :D

Seriously, I don't think the guy sucks...just that our running game > their running game contrary to what the Cards fans love to tout.

PS - I like the Big 10, I'm a Penn State fan.;)

Originally Posted by strato (Post 191550)

I agree..were talkin Beanie Wells trying to run on us and it not happening..