Originally Posted by papz (Post 194949)

:notworthy:

It's funny how people saw us "tail off" towards the end of the season and pretend they know what our defense is about. As many have mentioned, a lot of our core/key players were on the mend... which definitely skewed our defensive standings. That said, I believe we had the best scoring defense in the league and forced a boat load of turnovers. Anyone can tell you that if you win the turnover battle, the likelihood of winning the game is greater than 70% (I think it's actually much higher). One other thing I'd like to mention is that when the Colts won the Superbowl, they had one of the worst defensive units during the regular season yet dominated in the postseason... which is all that matters. So as much as you want to brag about your regular season rankings, that stuff means absolutely means jack squat.

Originally Posted by FatCitySaint (Post 195099)

I guess the "Queens" fans don't wanna play any more! LMAO!!! :pokechop:

Originally Posted by D_it_up (Post 194885)

O.K. You asked for it. First, I will pose a question to you. Do you think Kurt Warner and his receivers are slouches? Before you answer that and make your own excuses, you may want to look back and see what they did to your beloved Vikings about a month or so ago. See what happened when they played us with a HEALTHY secondary? Not very much. Jabari Greer was 2nd to ONLY Darelle Revis in percentage of getting burned. The Saints starting corners of Greer and Porter have allowed only ONE TD pass against them all year. If you don't know who they are, make yourself acquainted with them, because they will be on your boys all game long....and it will be man-on-man. I stated in another thread a couple of days ago that if the Saints can shut down arguably THE BEST WR IN FOOTBALL, what makes anyone think that they can't shut down Sidney "I wish my name was Jerry" Rice, Bernard "Damn, I stole a lot of money on that contract" Berrian, or Percy "Sledge" Harvin? With those two in the line-up, that allows Sharper (the man Minnesota thought was washed up) to play center field and be a playmaker like he does best. Add a guy who can really bring the lumber in Roman Harper, and I would take our secondary over yours any day of the week. The #25 ranking is skewed because early in the season, teams were having to play from behind, so they passed the ball. Later in the season, the Saints were playing with a lot of injured starters on defense. Most important the starting corners. Even our third corner was banged up with injuries (hamstring, concussion). That left us with a rookie corner and two guys signed off the street. Our depth was exposed. Not our defense. You saw what happened to the Cards when we had our top three corners healthy. They sure didn't do very much.

Secondly, putting Ryan in that category with the "un-experienced" QB's is just asinine, and shows that you aren't aware how good of a QB is is after on two years. He scares the living crap out of me knowing that he is in our division for several years to come. And about Stafford, didn't you guys play them twice? Also, let's run down the list of "inexperienced" QB's you guys played this year. Derrick Anderson (horrible), Stafford (twice), Shaun Hill (he almost beat you guys in your own place), Joe Flacco (since you wanted to put Ryan in the mix, and he's not as good as Ryan), Matt Moore (lit you guys up like a Christmas tree), and Jay Cutler (picked you guys apart after a HORRIBLE year). You might want to do some more research before you start talking your boys up.

I give the Vikings a lot of credit for having a great defensive line, but then again, they have yet to see a line like the Saints. Probably the most underrated line in football. One All-Pro, Two Pro-Bowlers, and two alternates to the Pro Bowl. The only person on that line that worries me is Bushrod, but Coach Payton learned from the Cowboys game not to leave him alone against an elite pass-rusher. He will get help from the tight ends and running backs. I honestly think that Jared Allen is a bit overrated, though. Sure, he had 14.5 sacks, but 7.5 of those came against that Packers line that got Rodgers sacked 50 times this year. I'm not saying he's not good, but I'm saying he may not be as good as everyone thinks he is.

You imagine the Saints will put 8 in the box? You are imagining wrong. Gregg Williams will be putting in all different kinds of packages to throw Favre off his game. If he can do that against the likes of Tom Brady, Eli Manning, and Kurt Warner and make them look average at best, who says that he won't do it against Favre, as well. There will be a game plan and packages on Sunday that the Saints haven't even used this season. They pulled some new ones out against the Cards, and they will do the same thing against the Vikings.

In short, there are a lot of things you aren't seeing in this Saints' team that needed to be pointed out.

Originally Posted by Vike4Life (Post 194833)

Saints have the best offense bar none. Pass and run great. But they are facing the Vikings D that's darn good ranked #6. Great rushing D to force teams to become one dimensional. One of the best pass rushes to pressure QBs. There won't be 6 seconds and 4 yard pockets like the Cards gave Brees.

Whereas, the Saints D is ranked #25, not good at much except INT's. Most of those INT's came against inexperienced QB's Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman, Henne, and Ryan. Favre has protected the ball all year, so I don't think he's going to collapse against the Saints. I imagine the Saints will stick 8 in the box, like all other teams, so they can stop Peterson. So Rice or Berrian will be singled, which the Cowboys learned was stupid. Vikes live by "damn if you do... damn if you don't"... play the pass the run burns you... play the run and the pass burns you.

As I see it the Vikes Offense is not that far behind the Saints, whereas the Saints D is seriously lacking.

Please bring the excuses...

Originally Posted by skolvikes (Post 194931)

Blah blah blah can we stop with the injury excuse? we are not using it neither should you.

Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 195164)

Injuries are not the excuse Sunday brother. Lack of injuries is what you Epicaly Fail to understand. It is what you will be scratching you head/azz on Sunday afternoon wondering what happened.

Farve is Great but he is not Gandalf the Gray or White and has no magical spell for when he does not have the ball.

The first rule in Combat and war is to KNOW your enemy. You and the other Viqueen know your ranks (maybe) but do not know or understand your enemy.

You are so full of your own ignorance you have not even taken the time to assess the opponent. You have no clue that the Defense you will face on Sunday was absent from week 7 till last Sat.

Live in your ignorance, drink your purple kool-aid you get from ESPN, and the Dallas Twins on NFL Channel.

Come back Monday and PLEASE relive your Sunday Experience with us.

Keep in mind the Same "You are facing an Epic quarterback" was preached to us all last week.

I was waiting for someone in the stands to run and jump on top of him as he paused in the prone position to gather him self on the field and yell into his face "You got knocked the F&$% out!"

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 195174)

dont insult the man.....Gandalf the Grey is spelled with an E

Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 195178)

I find it difficult not to insult a man who comes into forums and spews ignorant accusations. He gets what he gives.

Thank you for the spelling correction. I was pretty heated when i was replying.

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 195179)

oh.....i dont care about whoever you were talking about

but gandalf is the man and he deserves a correct spelling......dont insult gandalf.....he is the ruler of an entire country in middle earth

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 195165)

let me throw something else out for you dorks to chew on

if the saints have the highest scoring defense in the league, doesnt that mean the offense didnt get to touch the ball after those TDs

so not only would our offense not touch the ball, Drews opportunities for TDs went down, our rushing opportunities for TDs went down, our time of possession went down despite our points going up

and most importantly.....OUR DEFENSE PLAYED MORE......our defense was on the field more than any other defense in the league because why? because our offense scored so easily and because our defense scored so easily

now eventually, a team is going to be able to move the ball on our defense because it would be on the field so much

i know its hard for vikings fans to understand something like that, but if you keep trying i know you can get it.....you guys are getting so smart....by the end of this week most of you will probably be able to read!!! im proud of you vikings fans

Originally Posted by D_it_up (Post 195190)

I was wondering when you were going to chime in, CL. You're slackin', brother. lol

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 195193)

haha everything i would've said you have pretty much already gotten to

i guess i gotta quit being so busy so i can get my punches in too

quit takin all the good points lol

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 194874)

Thanks for bringing it up ....wtf happened against Zona on turf in a Dome ... looks like you all get homesick and play like DOODOO when on the road .... take a deep breath and take in what Dallas felt like losing to y'all ... you'll need to drink that big tall drink of big-dose-of-reality and go-home-out-of-the-playoffs! Besides, Karma is a real Biatch, and so is payback!

Originally Posted by Vike4Life (Post 195376)

Cards don't have turf, their field is grass and is moved out on a big tray into the parking lot.... no joke it's fun to watch.

The Card vs Vikes game was not, I was there.

Cards were ready to fight and get revenge for the beat down the Vikes did the previous season in their house.

Originally Posted by Vike4Life (Post 194833)

Saints have the best offense bar none. Pass and run great. But they are facing the Vikings D that's darn good ranked #6. Great rushing D to force teams to become one dimensional. One of the best pass rushes to pressure QBs. There won't be 6 seconds and 4 yard pockets like the Cards gave Brees.

Whereas, the Saints D is ranked #25, not good at much except INT's. Most of those INT's came against inexperienced QB's Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman, Henne, and Ryan. Favre has protected the ball all year, so I don't think he's going to collapse against the Saints. I imagine the Saints will stick 8 in the box, like all other teams, so they can stop Peterson. So Rice or Berrian will be singled, which the Cowboys learned was stupid. Vikes live by "damn if you do... damn if you don't"... play the pass the run burns you... play the run and the pass burns you.

As I see it the Vikes Offense is not that far behind the Saints, whereas the Saints D is seriously lacking.

Please bring the excuses...

Originally Posted by Vike4Life (Post 195376)

Cards were ready to fight and get revenge for the beat down the Vikes did the previous season in their house.

Originally Posted by D_it_up (Post 194885)

O.K. You asked for it. First, I will pose a question to you. Do you think Kurt Warner and his receivers are slouches? Before you answer that and make your own excuses, you may want to look back and see what they did to your beloved Vikings about a month or so ago. See what happened when they played us with a HEALTHY secondary? Not very much. Jabari Greer was 2nd to ONLY Darelle Revis in percentage of getting burned. The Saints starting corners of Greer and Porter have allowed only ONE TD pass against them all year. If you don't know who they are, make yourself acquainted with them, because they will be on your boys all game long....and it will be man-on-man. I stated in another thread a couple of days ago that if the Saints can shut down arguably THE BEST WR IN FOOTBALL, what makes anyone think that they can't shut down Sidney "I wish my name was Jerry" Rice, Bernard "Damn, I stole a lot of money on that contract" Berrian, or Percy "Sledge" Harvin? With those two in the line-up, that allows Sharper (the man Minnesota thought was washed up) to play center field and be a playmaker like he does best. Add a guy who can really bring the lumber in Roman Harper, and I would take our secondary over yours any day of the week. The #25 ranking is skewed because early in the season, teams were having to play from behind, so they passed the ball. Later in the season, the Saints were playing with a lot of injured starters on defense. Most important the starting corners. Even our third corner was banged up with injuries (hamstring, concussion). That left us with a rookie corner and two guys signed off the street. Our depth was exposed. Not our defense. You saw what happened to the Cards when we had our top three corners healthy. They sure didn't do very much.

Secondly, putting Ryan in that category with the "un-experienced" QB's is just asinine, and shows that you aren't aware how good of a QB is is after on two years. He scares the living crap out of me knowing that he is in our division for several years to come. And about Stafford, didn't you guys play them twice? Also, let's run down the list of "inexperienced" QB's you guys played this year. Derrick Anderson (horrible), Stafford (twice), Shaun Hill (he almost beat you guys in your own place), Joe Flacco (since you wanted to put Ryan in the mix, and he's not as good as Ryan), Matt Moore (lit you guys up like a Christmas tree), and Jay Cutler (picked you guys apart after a HORRIBLE year). You might want to do some more research before you start talking your boys up.

I give the Vikings a lot of credit for having a great defensive line, but then again, they have yet to see a line like the Saints. Probably the most underrated line in football. One All-Pro, Two Pro-Bowlers, and two alternates to the Pro Bowl. The only person on that line that worries me is Bushrod, but Coach Payton learned from the Cowboys game not to leave him alone against an elite pass-rusher. He will get help from the tight ends and running backs. I honestly think that Jared Allen is a bit overrated, though. Sure, he had 14.5 sacks, but 7.5 of those came against that Packers line that got Rodgers sacked 50 times this year. I'm not saying he's not good, but I'm saying he may not be as good as everyone thinks he is.

You imagine the Saints will put 8 in the box? You are imagining wrong. Gregg Williams will be putting in all different kinds of packages to throw Favre off his game. If he can do that against the likes of Tom Brady, Eli Manning, and Kurt Warner and make them look average at best, who says that he won't do it against Favre, as well. There will be a game plan and packages on Sunday that the Saints haven't even used this season. They pulled some new ones out against the Cards, and they will do the same thing against the Vikings.

In short, there are a lot of things you aren't seeing in this Saints' team that needed to be pointed out.

Originally Posted by homerj07 (Post 194889)

Hmmm - Are their Saints fans heading onto Viks fan pages. I have always thought this concept weird.

To me it shows a lack of belief in ones' team. (so in your case the Viks)

Stats are meaningless at this point. Both teams rested - both teams hungry. Let the chips fall where they may.

Originally Posted by D_it_up (Post 194930)

Ummm...Four injured defensive players namely our top three corners? What else ya got? I can do this all day.

Originally Posted by Vike4Life (Post 195407)

BTW, in the Cards game Winfield was out and starting MLB Henderson broke his leg during the game, putting in a 5th round rookie to replace him. Had a lot to do with the loss.

Originally Posted by Vike4Life (Post 195416)

Injury excuse? Cards are defending NFCC, made the playoffs. Vikes best and starting CB was out forcing a rotation including a rookie. MLB Henderson broke his leg during the game replaced by Brinkley a 5th round rookie. So it all evens out.

But even with injuries how could you lose to a 3-13 team at home?

Originally Posted by saintpaul25 (Post 195019)

Just remember, only teams without major injuries to either side of the ball, call them excuses. Let one of the Williams boys go down, or Allen, then all the sudden that excuse will turn to "well, if he had been playing."

Originally Posted by FatCitySaint (Post 195099)

I guess the "Queens" fans don't wanna play any more! LMAO!!! :pokechop:

Originally Posted by Vike4Life (Post 195419)

You obviously haven't been following the Vikes, Pat Williams was out the last 2 games of the season, MLB Henderson broke his leg in the Cards game, and Probowl CB Winfield has been out or playing injured for over half the season. But yet the Vikes D survives without excuses.

Originally Posted by D_it_up (Post 194965)

Actually it was only twice they gave up 30 points or more. But who's counting? ;) The Vikings gave up 30 or more three times.

Originally Posted by Vike4Life (Post 195430)

Yes The Vikes did give up 30 or more points to 2 playoff teams in BAL and AZ.... and 7-9 CHI.

Whereas your two were to MIA 7-9 and WASH 4-12. HOW?

Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 195164)

Injuries are not the excuse Sunday brother. Lack of injuries is what you Epicaly Fail to understand. It is what you will be scratching you head/azz on Sunday afternoon wondering what happened.

Farve is Great but he is not Gandalf the Gray or White and has no magical spell for when he does not have the ball.

The first rule in Combat and war is to KNOW your enemy. You and the other Viqueen know your ranks (maybe) but do not know or understand your enemy.

You are so full of your own ignorance you have not even taken the time to assess the opponent. You have no clue that the Defense you will face on Sunday was absent from week 7 till last Sat.

Live in your ignorance, drink your purple kool-aid you get from ESPN, and the Dallas Twins on NFL Channel.

Come back Monday and PLEASE relive your Sunday Experience with us.

Keep in mind the Same "You are facing an Epic quarterback" was preached to us all last week.

I was waiting for someone in the stands to run and jump on top of him as he paused in the prone position to gather him self on the field and yell into his face "You got knocked the F&$% out!"

Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 195178)

I find it difficult not to insult a man who comes into forums and spews ignorant accusations. He gets what he gives.

Thank you for the spelling correction. I was pretty heated when i was replying.

Originally Posted by Vike4Life (Post 195441)

Ignorant? I bring stats, I have reasonable conclusions based on them. All I've learned from every Saints fan is that
#1 your whole D was out and cheerleaders replaced them... excuse the hyperbole
#2 Because you can INT rookies (9 INTS plus 2 on Henne) you can INT a HOFer with 7 all year
#3 The reason the D stats are so bad is the offense gets off the field so fast, your O's TOP is 31:36. So the D isn't out there that much more.

Other than that just a lot of jeering with no real substance.

Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 195387)

vikedude you ever hear of double team both outside ends and still can slip a screen to bush or p.t. or throw it deep it will be done viko

Originally Posted by breesfan27 (Post 195417)

Am I the only one seeing this???? You tell us not to use injuries as an excuse, yet you just did. Hypocrite much?

Originally Posted by BIGEASY504 (Post 195442)

Once Farve is pressured he gets erratic, we stop the run cause Peterson and the reports I’ve read thinks he can have a good game considering what happened against the Card and I’m quite sure they seen the Atlanta came and a few others. I like our secondary against the Vikings receivers. The way we played against the Cardinals I haven’t seen that D since maybe the Patriots game (?) We stop the run on our way to Farve we can win this!