#1 O vs #6 D and #5 O vs #25 D Who wins?

Vike4Life · 01-20-2010, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Injuries are not the excuse Sunday brother. Lack of injuries is what you Epicaly Fail to understand. It is what you will be scratching you head/azz on Sunday afternoon wondering what happened.

Farve is Great but he is not Gandalf the Gray or White and has no magical spell for when he does not have the ball.

The first rule in Combat and war is to KNOW your enemy. You and the other Viqueen know your ranks (maybe) but do not know or understand your enemy.

You are so full of your own ignorance you have not even taken the time to assess the opponent. You have no clue that the Defense you will face on Sunday was absent from week 7 till last Sat.

Live in your ignorance, drink your purple kool-aid you get from ESPN, and the Dallas Twins on NFL Channel.

Come back Monday and PLEASE relive your Sunday Experience with us.

Keep in mind the Same "You are facing an Epic quarterback" was preached to us all last week.

I was waiting for someone in the stands to run and jump on top of him as he paused in the prone position to gather him self on the field and yell into his face "You got knocked the F&$% out!"

I know the Saints, you all seem to put everything on being injured. Also, as I pointed out, most of your INT's and scores came against rookies and 2nd year QB's. Please don't say the Vikes didn't score against similar... I'm NOT saying our D is a scoring D, just a run stopping pass rushing make a team one dimensional D.

Vike4Life · 01-20-2010, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by skolvikes
I can do that as well what happened to your defense against Tampa? Dallas?

Originally Posted by D_it_up

Ummm...Four injured defensive players namely our top three corners? What else ya got? I can do this all day.

Injury excuse? Cards are defending NFCC, made the playoffs. Vikes best and starting CB was out forcing a rotation including a rookie. MLB Henderson broke his leg during the game replaced by Brinkley a 5th round rookie. So it all evens out.

But even with injuries how could you lose to a 3-13 team at home?

breesfan27 · 01-20-2010, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Vike4Life

BTW, in the Cards game Winfield was out and starting MLB Henderson broke his leg during the game, putting in a 5th round rookie to replace him. Had a lot to do with the loss.

Originally Posted by Vike4Life

Injury excuse? Cards are defending NFCC, made the playoffs. Vikes best and starting CB was out forcing a rotation including a rookie. MLB Henderson broke his leg during the game replaced by Brinkley a 5th round rookie. So it all evens out.

But even with injuries how could you lose to a 3-13 team at home?

Am I the only one seeing this???? You tell us not to use injuries as an excuse, yet you just did. Hypocrite much?

Vike4Life · 01-20-2010, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by breesfan27

Am I the only one seeing this???? You tell us not to use injuries as an excuse, yet you just did. Hypocrite much?

I'm not using them as an excuse as I've posted many time, injuries happen it's the NFL. Vikes did what they could and unfortunately the "Jekyll and Hyde" Cards were on a Jekyll day, like they were against GB. You got lucky to catch a Hyde day.

SaintPauly · 01-19-2010, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by skolvikes

I can do that as well what happened to your defense against Tampa? Dallas?

We lost to Tampa, by a field goal, in OT. And that's not even why we lost, our kicker missed a freaking chip shot, that would have won the game in regulation. The Dallas game, we only played one quarter, and still only lost by six points, so regardless of what you think, neither of these losses were "blow outs". The Carolina game, and this is for everyone in the cheap seats, that seem to ignore this, DID NOT COUNT FOR US, BECAUSE ALL OF OUR STARTERS WERE HELD OUT FOR THE PLAY OFFS!!! Brees didn't throw one ball in the game. Almost our entire secondary sat out, and we STILL only gave up 23 points!!! With our B team.

Now let's talk about your losses, and margin of victories.... Let's see YOUR list of excuses.

D_it_up · 01-19-2010, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by saintpaul25

We lost to Tampa, by a field goal, in OT. And that's not even why we lost, our kicker missed a freaking chip shot, that would have won the game in regulation. The Dallas game, we only played one quarter, and still only lost by six points, so regardless of what you think, neither of these losses were "blow outs". The Carolina game, and this is for everyone in the cheap seats, that seem to ignore this, DID NOT COUNT FOR US, BECAUSE ALL OF OUR STARTERS WERE HELD OUT FOR THE PLAY OFFS!!! Brees didn't throw one ball in the game. Almost our entire secondary sat out, and we STILL only gave up 23 points!!! With our B team.

Now let's talk about your losses, and margin of victories.... Let's see YOUR list of excuses.

It won't do any good, saintpaul. We shouldn't get in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

SaintPauly · 01-19-2010, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by D_it_up

It won't do any good, saintpaul. We shouldn't get in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

And our "terrible" defense only gave up 30 points in what, 3 games? And we WON all of those games.

We allowed two touch downs against the Cards, and one of those was given up, on a BS roughing the passer call, that SHOULD have been a pick, and Saints ball.

I have to agree D. Seems like he's grasping here.

D_it_up · 01-19-2010, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by saintpaul25

And our "terrible" defense only gave up 30 points in what, 3 games? And we WON all of those games.

We allowed two touch downs against the Cards, and one of those was given up, on a BS roughing the passer call, that SHOULD have been a pick, and Saints ball.

I have to agree D. Seems like he's grasping here.

Actually it was only twice they gave up 30 points or more. But who's counting?

The Vikings gave up 30 or more three times.

xan · 01-19-2010, 10:01 PM

hey, Vikes. great to see you on the site.

Just a caution, there isn't anyone here who doesn't do their homework before posting. So, that being said, you should do the research rather than ask the question "why are you 25th rated and think you can control us". We can answer that for you, play the tape of the New England game, for example, where 3 CB's and a safety who hadn't played in a year shut down the highest rated QB in the NFL and the most prolific passing game in the NFL this season, but that would just be too easy.

If you're a serious dude, you'll appreciate that, on a play per play basis, adjusted for level of competition, our D was actually better than yours over the whole season, even when we had injuries and even when we tanked it on purpose at the end of the season. You can follow this link, if you've recovered from your reality based coma,

Defense Analysis

Seems a shame to also note that these same analysts rate our O-line better than yours as well. And receivers, and TE's, and DB's. And QB. Pity.

Anyway, good luck to you and to your team's chances on the road this weekend. Tell them to prepare for the noise to start the moment they check into their hotel room.

SaintPauly · 01-19-2010, 10:17 PM

Regular Season Schedule/Results
WK DATE OPPONENT RESULT W-L HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
1 Sun, Sep 13 @ Cleveland W 34-20 1-0 Favre 110 Peterson 180 Harvin 36
2 Sun, Sep 20 @ Detroit W 27-13 2-0 Favre 155 Peterson 92 Berrian 46
3 Sun, Sep 27 San Francisco W 27-24 3-0 Favre 301 Peterson 85 Taylor 70
4 Mon, Oct 5 Green Bay W 30-23 4-0 Favre 271 Peterson 55 Berrian 75
5 Sun, Oct 11 @ St. Louis W 38-10 5-0 Favre 232 Peterson 63 Harvin 66
6 Sun, Oct 18 Baltimore W 33-31 6-0 Favre 278 Peterson 143 Rice 176
7 Sun, Oct 25 @ Pittsburgh L 17-27 6-1 Favre 334 Peterson 69 Rice 136
8 Sun, Nov 1 @ Green Bay W 38-26 7-1 Favre 244 Peterson 97 Harvin 84
9 BYE WEEK
10 Sun, Nov 15 Detroit W 27-10 8-1 Favre 344 Peterson 133 Rice 201
11 Sun, Nov 22 Seattle W 35-9 9-1 Favre 213 Peterson 82 Rice 89
12 Sun, Nov 29 Chicago W 36-10 10-1 Favre 392 Peterson 85 Harvin 101
13 Sun, Dec 6 @ Arizona L 17-30 10-2 Favre 275 Harvin 22 Harvin 79
14 Sun, Dec 13 Cincinnati W 30-10 11-2 Favre 192 Peterson 97 Berrian 43
15 Sun, Dec 20 @ Carolina L 7-26 11-3 Favre 224 Peterson 35 Peterson 73
16 Mon, Dec 28 @ Chicago L 30-36 OT
17 Sun, Jan 3 NY Giants W 44-7

Now, let's look at the Saints schedule....

Sep 13 vs. DETROIT LIONS 12:00PM
45 - 27
Sep 20 @ PHILADELPHIA EAGLES 12:00PM
48 - 22
Sep 27 @ BUFFALO BILLS 3:05PM
27 - 7
Oct 04 vs. NEW YORK JETS 3:05PM
24 - 10
Oct 18 vs. NEW YORK GIANTS 12:00PM
48 - 27
Oct 25 @ MIAMI DOLPHINS 3:15PM
46 - 34
Nov 02 vs. ATLANTA FALCONS 7:30PM
35 - 27
Nov 08 vs. CAROLINA PANTHERS 3:05PM
30 - 20
Nov 15 @ ST. LOUIS RAMS 12:00PM
28 - 23
Nov 22 @ TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS 12:00PM
38 - 7
Nov 30 vs. NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS 7:30PM
38 - 17
Dec 06 @ WASHINGTON REDSKINS 12:00PM
33 - 30
Dec 13 @ ATLANTA FALCONS 12:00PM
26 - 23
Dec 19 vs. DALLAS COWBOYS 7:20PM
17 - 24
Dec 27 vs. TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS 12:00PM
17 - 20
Jan 03 @ CAROLINA PANTHERS 12:00PM
10 - 23

We lost two at home, and one on the road. You guys lost none at home, and four on the road. And by strength of the teams you lost too, you gotta admit, that staunch defense gave up ALOT of yards, and points in those losses. Back to my first point: YOU ARE ON THE ROAD THIS WEEK. NOT AT HOME. Now, according to RECORD, who does that favor again?????

Also want to throw out that Peterson only had 4, 100 plus yard games all season. So pass blocking yes, run blocking, no.

01-20-2010, 04:47 PM	#1
Vike4Life Registered Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 72	Re: #1 O vs #6 D and #5 O vs #25 D Who wins? Originally Posted by x626xBlack Injuries are not the excuse Sunday brother. Lack of injuries is what you Epicaly Fail to understand. It is what you will be scratching you head/azz on Sunday afternoon wondering what happened. Farve is Great but he is not Gandalf the Gray or White and has no magical spell for when he does not have the ball. The first rule in Combat and war is to KNOW your enemy. You and the other Viqueen know your ranks (maybe) but do not know or understand your enemy. You are so full of your own ignorance you have not even taken the time to assess the opponent. You have no clue that the Defense you will face on Sunday was absent from week 7 till last Sat. Live in your ignorance, drink your purple kool-aid you get from ESPN, and the Dallas Twins on NFL Channel. Come back Monday and PLEASE relive your Sunday Experience with us. Keep in mind the Same "You are facing an Epic quarterback" was preached to us all last week. I was waiting for someone in the stands to run and jump on top of him as he paused in the prone position to gather him self on the field and yell into his face "You got knocked the F&$% out!" I know the Saints, you all seem to put everything on being injured. Also, as I pointed out, most of your INT's and scores came against rookies and 2nd year QB's. Please don't say the Vikes didn't score against similar... I'm NOT saying our D is a scoring D, just a run stopping pass rushing make a team one dimensional D.
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01-20-2010, 04:20 PM	#2
Vike4Life Registered Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 72	Re: #1 O vs #6 D and #5 O vs #25 D Who wins? Originally Posted by skolvikes I can do that as well what happened to your defense against Tampa? Dallas? Originally Posted by D_it_up Ummm...Four injured defensive players namely our top three corners? What else ya got? I can do this all day. Injury excuse? Cards are defending NFCC, made the playoffs. Vikes best and starting CB was out forcing a rotation including a rookie. MLB Henderson broke his leg during the game replaced by Brinkley a 5th round rookie. So it all evens out. But even with injuries how could you lose to a 3-13 team at home?
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01-20-2010, 04:25 PM	#3
breesfan27 Mrs. Drew Brees Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: The Who Dat Nation (by way of South Dakota) Posts: 2,276 Blog Entries: 1	Re: #1 O vs #6 D and #5 O vs #25 D Who wins? Originally Posted by Vike4Life BTW, in the Cards game Winfield was out and starting MLB Henderson broke his leg during the game, putting in a 5th round rookie to replace him. Had a lot to do with the loss. Originally Posted by Vike4Life Injury excuse? Cards are defending NFCC, made the playoffs. Vikes best and starting CB was out forcing a rotation including a rookie. MLB Henderson broke his leg during the game replaced by Brinkley a 5th round rookie. So it all evens out. But even with injuries how could you lose to a 3-13 team at home? Am I the only one seeing this???? You tell us not to use injuries as an excuse, yet you just did. Hypocrite much?

01-20-2010, 05:32 PM	#4
Vike4Life Registered Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 72	Re: #1 O vs #6 D and #5 O vs #25 D Who wins? Originally Posted by breesfan27 Am I the only one seeing this???? You tell us not to use injuries as an excuse, yet you just did. Hypocrite much? I'm not using them as an excuse as I've posted many time, injuries happen it's the NFL. Vikes did what they could and unfortunately the "Jekyll and Hyde" Cards were on a Jekyll day, like they were against GB. You got lucky to catch a Hyde day.
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01-19-2010, 10:00 PM	#5
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	Re: #1 O vs #6 D and #5 O vs #25 D Who wins? Originally Posted by skolvikes I can do that as well what happened to your defense against Tampa? Dallas? We lost to Tampa, by a field goal, in OT. And that's not even why we lost, our kicker missed a freaking chip shot, that would have won the game in regulation. The Dallas game, we only played one quarter, and still only lost by six points, so regardless of what you think, neither of these losses were "blow outs". The Carolina game, and this is for everyone in the cheap seats, that seem to ignore this, DID NOT COUNT FOR US, BECAUSE ALL OF OUR STARTERS WERE HELD OUT FOR THE PLAY OFFS!!! Brees didn't throw one ball in the game. Almost our entire secondary sat out, and we STILL only gave up 23 points!!! With our B team. Now let's talk about your losses, and margin of victories.... Let's see YOUR list of excuses.
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01-19-2010, 10:01 PM	#6
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Re: #1 O vs #6 D and #5 O vs #25 D Who wins? Originally Posted by saintpaul25 We lost to Tampa, by a field goal, in OT. And that's not even why we lost, our kicker missed a freaking chip shot, that would have won the game in regulation. The Dallas game, we only played one quarter, and still only lost by six points, so regardless of what you think, neither of these losses were "blow outs". The Carolina game, and this is for everyone in the cheap seats, that seem to ignore this, DID NOT COUNT FOR US, BECAUSE ALL OF OUR STARTERS WERE HELD OUT FOR THE PLAY OFFS!!! Brees didn't throw one ball in the game. Almost our entire secondary sat out, and we STILL only gave up 23 points!!! With our B team. Now let's talk about your losses, and margin of victories.... Let's see YOUR list of excuses. It won't do any good, saintpaul. We shouldn't get in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

01-19-2010, 10:43 PM	#7
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	Re: #1 O vs #6 D and #5 O vs #25 D Who wins? Originally Posted by D_it_up It won't do any good, saintpaul. We shouldn't get in a battle of wits with an unarmed man. And our "terrible" defense only gave up 30 points in what, 3 games? And we WON all of those games. We allowed two touch downs against the Cards, and one of those was given up, on a BS roughing the passer call, that SHOULD have been a pick, and Saints ball. I have to agree D. Seems like he's grasping here.

01-19-2010, 10:45 PM	#8
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Re: #1 O vs #6 D and #5 O vs #25 D Who wins? Originally Posted by saintpaul25 And our "terrible" defense only gave up 30 points in what, 3 games? And we WON all of those games. We allowed two touch downs against the Cards, and one of those was given up, on a BS roughing the passer call, that SHOULD have been a pick, and Saints ball. I have to agree D. Seems like he's grasping here. Actually it was only twice they gave up 30 points or more. But who's counting? The Vikings gave up 30 or more three times.

01-19-2010, 10:01 PM	#9
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,373 Blog Entries: 34	Re: #1 O vs #6 D and #5 O vs #25 D Who wins? hey, Vikes. great to see you on the site. Just a caution, there isn't anyone here who doesn't do their homework before posting. So, that being said, you should do the research rather than ask the question "why are you 25th rated and think you can control us". We can answer that for you, play the tape of the New England game, for example, where 3 CB's and a safety who hadn't played in a year shut down the highest rated QB in the NFL and the most prolific passing game in the NFL this season, but that would just be too easy. If you're a serious dude, you'll appreciate that, on a play per play basis, adjusted for level of competition, our D was actually better than yours over the whole season, even when we had injuries and even when we tanked it on purpose at the end of the season. You can follow this link, if you've recovered from your reality based coma, Defense Analysis Seems a shame to also note that these same analysts rate our O-line better than yours as well. And receivers, and TE's, and DB's. And QB. Pity. Anyway, good luck to you and to your team's chances on the road this weekend. Tell them to prepare for the noise to start the moment they check into their hotel room.
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