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Much has been brought up on how the Vikes have lost 4 games on the road. I would like to point out that all four of those losses were on grass. Where as the Vikes are perfect 11-0 on artifical turf.

BTW, the Cards do play on grass, their field is on a huge tray that is moved outside when not in use.

You can't say the same since you lost 2 at home.

Just a stat, nothing more. I'm not out to trash talk, just letting you know how this game is leaning if favor of the Vikings.

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Vegas and their -3.5 spread thinks the lean is the other way.

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Maybe you should kill a chicken and read its entrails.

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I will make sure to visit you after the game. No trash talking around here until then!

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Betting lines are simply based on how much $$$ is bet on a side so they can cover the losses. The 3.5 goes to the home team, as that is where most betters will go if the teams are pretty much even. Home field is the Saints biggest advantage given the crowd noise. But I have belief that the Vikes can and will handle the crowd noise. A couple long drives, lots of effective rushing, and a couple resulting in TD and the crowd will see the writing on the wall.

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I'll be here late Monday after I recover from celebration.

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Like I said I'll look you up after the game.

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Well then if you want to bring stats into the conversation, then let's take a look at the other two road teams who play in a dome............The Lions and the Rams!?!?!?!?!? A combined 3-29. Oh my that is what I would call a defining win. So let's just say being 2-0 away in a dome vs. the cellar of the NFL doesn't count. That is like saying, "The Saints destroyed the Cards, and they beat up on the Vikes......Saints will win."

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Of all the stats to bring up you pick this one? Useless.

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Entrails would be better plus you could eat the chicken.

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This game is not leaning in favor of the Vikings, as they just simply aren't as good.

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You are correct the two away games on turf were against horrible teams, just like the Bucs... which the Saints lost to at HOME. Choke...

I wouldn't bring up the Cards, because that was an away game for the Vikes and the Cards are the epitome of a "Jekyll and Hyde" team.

Where as your Cowboy game was at home and the Vikes demolished a HOT Cowboys team.

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I've brought up many other stats in other threads, I was just responding to the constant Saints fan response of the Vikes being 4-4 on the road. That the Vikes are a poor road team, which could be because of grass as the Vikes are built for speed which is best on artificial turf.

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So you ARE going to take that "We beat X team you guys lost to X team, we will win!" only when it is convenient? You want to talk about horrible games? How about letting Jay "INT King" Cutler have a career game without their leading receiver. None of these "stats" or "like team" comparisons mean anything in a Divisional playoff game. This is #1 vs. #2 and it will be no holds barred! Like I said before good luck!

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Very logical response :rolleyes: The Saints offense is marginally better, but is also significantly helped by turnovers and D scoring. Vikes D is significantly better at run stopping and pass rush, although secondary is worse. Vikes are also better on special teams, with Harvin as KR and Longwell for FG's. Who is your FG kicker? How experienced is he?

Vikes are the better team, the Saints advantage is the home crowd. So it's not the Saints team it's the fans the Vikes need to get out of the game.

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I didn't bring up the "We beat X team you guys lost to X team, we will win!" you did. I just showed it goes both ways.

Bear's were a 7-9 team and Vikes lost on the road and out scored the Bears 30-14 in second half to go into OT. Whereas the Saints lost to the 3-13 Bucs which beat you at home, and the Bucs out scored the Saints 14-0 in the 4th to tie the game. The Saints choked big time.

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I like that ... a little Viking Gumbeaux!

We have three PRO-BOWLERS at the O-Line too ... Evans is better than Hutch. Last year the the Queens could not stop Reggie. They won't again this year! And besides Rice, there are also-rans at WR for the Queens. Greer is the number two shutdown corner after Revis, Sharper can pick off the Favre's eyes and errant throws!

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Harvin looked exhausted in the interview his team player did of him. I mean exhausted. Truthfully, and I am not being sarcastic, I felt for the man. He must be in misery. Does that mean he can't come out and have his best game ever, no- a lot of times players step up and do just that, but by the look of things- he should not play. He probably will, but he probably should not.

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Yeah, I was just thinking that...

Just like a troll's need to argue... useless.

:rolleyes:

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he's just pulling at straws to make it easier for him to watch this game.

HAPPY RETIREMENT BRETT!!!

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I do not believe that who you beat,a nd who we beat matters. I mean that a not so great O in San Fran took you to the last seconds- in your house or that you barely beat a not so great Ravens team at home. Non of that matters today. We are going to get your best, and you will get ours. This game is tough for both teams. I have no illusions- the Vikes are a very good team, and this game could go either way. I like our team though, and if we pressure Favre- he will throw int's!! It is a big if though- like I said you have a great team in Minny, but you all better stop thinking your coming to play some slouch team.

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I don't think you read my first response so I will repost it.

'So let's just say being 2-0 away in a dome vs. the cellar of the NFL doesn't count. That is like saying, "The Saints destroyed the Cards, and they beat up on the Vikes......Saints will win."'

Just in case you still don't get it, I am referring to how STUPID the two arguments are.

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Hutch is considered the best OG in the NFL. 7x probowls 6x All pro. Evan's ONE PRO BOWL. So give me a break.

Reggie only mattered on PR's as a RB he only had 2.4yds per carry. I'd be worried about Thomas, but Vikes rush D is #2.

I'll give you the WR, Vikes WR's average around 11yds per catch, and Saints around 15. So advantage Saints.

Sharper knows Favre, Favre knows Sharper... I see no advantage either way, except Sharper will be out their alone as Harper will be in the box trying to stop Peterson.

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I apologize for the misread, I've just read the Saints Cards arguement too many times.

As for the 2-0 against horrible teams on artifical turf, the Vikes didn't have any other option. After this game it will have greater weight.

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Vike4life take this to the smack board...this is a Saints board..You will find many of your delusional moronic buddies on there ..Thank you for complying with this message..

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I totally agree, I'm not expecting a blowout unless turnovers get involve, but that advantage goes for the Vikes as the Vikes have turned over the ball 18 times compared to the Saints 28. Saints live by taking the ball away, not by not turning it over themselves. If both teams don't turn the ball over, I think it favors the Vikes.

Should be a great game either way with lots of scoring and lots of x-factors, PR and KR's, sacks, big plays, etc.. It won't be a grind it out game like the Jets-Chargers.

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Vike4Life, I find, has been very respectful. You are welcomed here anytime. I won't speak for his other Minny fans, but the dude knows football. It has been fun debating him. Let the games begin.

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I am sure you hate it as much as we hate the Cowboys Vike argument. Any given Sunday......HELL YEAH!

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Ok i guess if you like sarcastic jabs at our team.. then debate away..sorry my bad.

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The only way the Vikes win is if the Saints self destruct. The Saints have the better offense, defense and better kick returners. The only advantage the Vikes have is on the D-line, and that just isn't good enough. On the road, the Vikes don't match up well against talent.

This isn't an argument or discussion. It is what it is and your record (both wins and losses, and play by play) represents what you are.

I'd wish you luck, but you'll need supernatural intervention.

I hope both teams play well.

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I only get sarcastic when the response to one of my stats or observations is "Saints are the better team" and nothing else.

If someone says Saints have better WR's, I'll agree in a second.

If someone says Brees is better than Favre, it's debateable as I think experience helps over youth. But lets face it they both have top QB ratings so both are not Sanchez

If someone says Bush is better than Harvin, I say given this season which is all we have on Harvin, he's not. But Bush has shown he is a different player in the playoffs and Harvin is not 100%.

If someone says, Saints CB's are better, hands down they are right.

If someone says Evans is better than Hutchinson, I just laugh. There is a good chance Hutch will be a HOFer and still has lots in the tank.

If someone says, Shockey is better than Shiancoe, I say Shock might be marginally better, but not while he's hurting.

If someone says Bush, Thomas, and Bell are better than Peterson and Taylor. Look in the Saints' box, count to 8 or 9. If not, count to 10+yds. Favre counts on single coverage on Rice or Berrian.

If someone says Hartley is better than Longwell at FG's, I say, pray the pressure doesn't make Hartley choke. Longwell has been there and done that.

There are pluses and minuses on both sides, I point out the Vikes. I don't consider it smack talk. But I'm fully capable of agreeing with Saint fans on several points. But I'm not inclined to point them out like above.

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Make good points. But I don't think the Saints Offense is that much better, Vikes can score and are also balanced. Both QB's are just a couple points off in QB ratings.

Vikes defensive front 7 are far better at rush D. They have a better pass rush. But the Saints are much better in secondary, especially at INT's

Going by regular season stats:
On KR, Harvin has 2TD's and is averaging 27.5yds on returns. Roby 1TD with a 27.5 on returns.... it's a wash PR: Bush is avg 4.8 yds per return, where as Reynaud is avg. 10.3 yds.

"It is what it is and your record (both wins and losses, and play by play) represents what you are." ??? Not sure where your going. Vikes are 12-4, Saints 13-3, not much of a difference, except it gave you home field advantage

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Here's a thought.

Miami is grass.

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This