The Brown/Bushrod debate
 

Who do we keep? I think Bushrod is really underrated and has a lot of upside and will probably eventually be as good or better than Brown. Our offensive line is definitely not a weakness. We could probably get a 1st rounder by trading Brown though, or possibly a good DE. Thoughts?

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Bushrod is indeed underrated.

I could not agree more.

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If one had to go I'd say Brown. Too many false starts and bonehead mistakes. But I'd like both to say and once move ovr to another position.

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see I say trade stinch.

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Brown's play was on the decline before the injuries. With his salary demands surely to be high and the unknown of said injuries, it's time to let him go. I'd give Bushrod a B on his play this season. With a full offseason to work on his mistakes, he could become an All-Pro LT in the league if he continues to improve. At the very least, he's definitely good enough. I personally think Strief is good enough as well to start if Bushrod or Stinchcomb goes down. The uncapped year could play a large factor in the decision. If they can bring Brown in with an incentive type deal with an acceptable base, competition is always a good thing.

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I think Bushrod is a below average LT with some upside. I think he'd start on about 4 or 5 teams in this league.

Jammal Brown is three times the LT Bushrod is, and I'm being generous.

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i got to agree..with brown back this offense is gonna be super dangerous

bushrod backs him up and grows into the position..

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Keep both.

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What he said^

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Brown is definitely a not above Bushrod. Jermon played huge for us but we always had to give him help. He was much more disciplined than Brown has been in the past though and that was my big knock on Brown.

If we could find a way to keep all of our o-line including depth we would have 4 tackles I would be confident with in the game. Strief has been solid whenever he's had to carry the load also. Cap wise and other needs in mind, we should use one of the two to fill other more pressing needs.

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I think the Saints are actually in pretty good shape... personnel wise.

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bushrod is terrible

with brown it would allow us to leave that side of the line almost completely unprotected. he could do it all by himself. bushrod needs help on nearly every single play and that takes away from the packages, the protection schemes and the routes that we can actually run

a TE and RB are always delayed on their routes with bushrod in because they need to chip block first before they go out on their routes

jermon bushrod isnt the run blocker and clearly isnt the pass blocker that brown is.

he hasnt held his own, he hasnt been above average and he certainly isnt underrated

its hard to imagine why anybody thinks he had a good season other than the fact that we won the super bowl. however, this season is not indicative of how bushrod played.

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if Brown was not hurt we could have had 4 out of 5 probowlers on the o-line

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oh yea.....bushrod will not be back......we can leave that position empty on the field and it will still block better than bushrod

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I will throw this into the debate.

Brown? Bushrod? Or if no uncapped year Julius Peppers as a trade?

He is clearly looking for a new home.

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brown.

peppers will not come to new orleans because we cant afford him. besides, he wouldnt want to play weakside DE anyway. remember that will smith had a better season than him

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Difficult. Monster Ware smacked Bushrod but Bushrod is learning fast. Possibly with help, Bushrod did very well in the playoffs.Not so fast. He held Mathis to nada, zit, nothing

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Brown is much better than Bushrod. If Bushrod can go somewhere else and get paid better then good luck. However, after saying that I have to say that if Brown had been starting I wonder if we would still be the World Champions? How many false starts or holding calls by Brown have stalled drives for us in the past? LT in my opinion could still be upgraded. Let's shop him around and see what we can get for Brown.

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then again.....how many more points could we have scored because drew wasnt getting sacked? how many fewer times would drew have gotten hit?

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+1

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I will leave this decision to the experts. Whatever Loomis, and Payton decide is fine by me. The won us the superbowl! That's a pretty good resume for me.

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Bushrod can be as good as or better than our 28 year old All Pro LT? I'd laugh but that's not even remotely funny. Just because we won a Superbowl with Bushrod, that doesn't mean he's a better player than Brown.

Offensive tackle rankings: Young anchors awash in potential - RealScouts - NFL - Sporting News

Talk about being underrated by some Saints fans. All the non-sense about him being false start/holding prone is also a joke... search through the forums. Somewhere in here there's statistical rankings for that and the rest of our offensive line prior to the season.

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brown knows his game has to pick up or he'll ride the pine, but i don't see keeping both, bushrod's a free agent i think.

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Yep, he finished in the top 10 for all LT's and his penalties were no worse than the other guys on the list. In fact, his performance blew away the "pro-bowlers" selected.

I'll try to find that info...

Here's one part of it, 2008 stats...


And here were his penalties for 2008...

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awesome breakdown danno

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There was also a comparison on the amount penalties each of our offensive lineman committed if I recall correctly... and the discrepancy btw each of them was minuscule. In fact, Brown might not even been the most penalized out of the bunch. The numbers make you wonder how anyone can say his play was on the decline... decline from what?

So as far as the Brown/Bushrod debate, the only thing to debate is whether to keep both of them. And with both Brown and Bushrod being restricted free agent(unless a new CBA is agreed upon), you keep both. It's a no brainer.

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Gotta keep both guys around. Bushrod is getting closer, but he is not there yet. Brown is a legitimate all pro, going to be nice to have him back next year. Saints did a great job covering up the weakness at LT, they won't get away with that forever.

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I'm curious what happens to ufa's, and rfa's, in 2011, if a new CBA has not been agreed upon. If there's a lock out, what happens to these players status then?

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Whether or not Bushrod or Brown is actually better right now is irrelevant in the discussion. Payton and Loomis have already tried trading Brown once before. The reason is the goal is to field the best football team, not have the best LT. I thought Bushrod did a heck of a job in his first year, and he is going to improve. Brown is better, but is his talent at so much of a higher level over Bushrod that it's worth keeping him and missing out on the chance to shore up our defense with some talent(Julius Peppers maybe or a 1st round draft pick). With the way our offense moves the ball, and with the way the offensive line held up without Brown, I'd say that O-line is the least of our worries.

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Brown might have some low penalties compared to others but they came as drive killers. When we needed to keep a drive alive it would be a false start or a hold.

Anyway I say bring them both in and let them compete. Best guy wins. If you can keep both great!

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Ditto.

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the short answer is yes

bushrod single handidly stalled out several of our drives this year. as papz and danno have clearly pointed out, there isnt anything out of the ordinary about jammal browns numbers. he is an elite LT and should be considered as a pro bowl front runner every year.

im not calling you out necessarily, but the people that think bushrod held his own have little to no idea about anything that goes on in the trenches. bushrod just needs too much help to consider him a long time starter

with help he is fine for a short term solution, but i dont even feel comfortable with him as a backup because of things like this......if he comes in it takes away from what we are able to do as an offense

i say we draft a versatile lineman like max unger(last year) so we have more flexibility for our backups. a guy that can play all the way from center out to the tackle position would be a huge addition to our depth

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Wow...I just made that same comment on another thread, and it does apply here, too. Nobody knows how Brown is gonna come back...didn't he have surgery?