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voodooido 02-23-2010 04:48 PM

Saints shopping some RFA's
 
2010-02-23 10:23:02
Mike Triplett, of the New Orleans Times-Picayune, reports the New Orleans Saints may attempt to seek trades for some of their restricted free agents, especially at offensive tackle, where they have three experienced players in OT Jammal Brown, OT Jermon Bushrod and OT Zach Strief.

Love the depth at tackle. Brown would be the one I send packing. He would bring the highest trade value and he is coming off a injury. Any thoughts?

MatthewT 02-23-2010 05:45 PM

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Tough call, would really hate to lose any of these guys. But, I guess with the Saints having a luxury of three potential starters at LT, it may be wise to deal one if it means beefing up another position. I guess if one had to go, I would probably have to agree with dealing Brown. Kind of tough to deal a two time pro bowler, but he is coming off injury and would still bring the highest gain in a trade.

hagan714 02-23-2010 05:45 PM

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of the three right now i see stinch having the better value..did i say that?...injury history is the only thing I see as the main reason.

Danno 02-23-2010 06:11 PM

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It doesn't say they're shopping them, it says they may attempt to seek trades.

Sounds like pure specuation on Mike's part.

papz 02-23-2010 06:48 PM

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The Saints may attempt to sign Julius Peppers, trade for Vince Wilfork, and Casey Hampton making us the probable Superbowl winners for next season.

Being that Brown is coming off injury, this could be a big sell low if we decided to move him.

foreverfan 02-23-2010 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 209960)
The Saints may attempt to sign Julius Peppers, trade for Vince Wilfork, and Casey Hampton making us the probable Superbowl winners for next season.

Being that Brown is coming off injury, this could be a big sell low if we decided to move him.


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xan 02-23-2010 09:32 PM

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Trading brown would mean taking a haircut on value. No GM would be so stupid. His value goes up after he's been seen in full contact drills during camp. Someone in another thread noted that it's a buyer's market, and it is more so for anyone coming off injured reserve.

CantonLegend 02-23-2010 09:42 PM

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we cant afford to trade a starting LT like brown without serious compensation for him and im afraid the trade would benefit the other team more

what team needs a starting LT and will give up a pro bowl type talent at a position we need? not many...

IMO trading brown is a bad thought all together

lynwood 02-24-2010 08:23 AM

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Tough call. Wasn't Strief used as an additional blocker on the line. Hell I think he actually went in motion on some plays. If that is the case you keep all 3. Odds are one is going down with injury again this year. Bushrod was a servicable backup and Strief an additional blocker. Depends on Offensive strategy this year.

FireVenturi 02-24-2010 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 209977)


Exactly what I was thinking FF...

Rugby Saint II 02-24-2010 10:38 AM

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Strief has become a valuable chess piece for Payton and is used in multiple sets and positions so I don't see him going anywhere. Brown is well known by fans for his holding calls and false starts. Bushrod was was adequate in his first year as a starter, but was he good enough to supplant Brown?

Nwlasaint 02-24-2010 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 210085)
Strief has become a valuable chess piece for Payton and is used in multiple sets and positions so I don't see him going anywhere. Brown is well known by fans for his holding calls and false starts. Bushrod was was adequate in his first year as a starter, but was he good enough to supplant Brown?

It is hard to say how well Bushrod did this year because they provided him with a lot of help. I don't know that I would want him protecting Drew's blind side all season again. It minimizes our weapons when we have to have Strief play tight end or we use a back to chip for Bushrod.

voodooido 02-24-2010 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Nwlasaint (Post 210086)
It is hard to say how well Bushrod did this year because they provided him with a lot of help. I don't know that I would want him protecting Drew's blind side all season again. It minimizes our weapons when we have to have Strief play tight end or we use a back to chip for Bushrod.

Why not move Stinc over to the left side? Brown is going to want BIG money and I just see him being worth it. Tender him as a 1st rd an hope someone grabs him. If not, cut your losses next year unless a trade comes along.

CantonLegend 02-24-2010 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Nwlasaint (Post 210086)
It is hard to say how well Bushrod did this year because they provided him with a lot of help. I don't know that I would want him protecting Drew's blind side all season again. It minimizes our weapons when we have to have Strief play tight end or we use a back to chip for Bushrod.

no its not......you answered it yourself

he needed way too much help to have a good season

bushrod had a terrible year and even when he got help he still got beat often......thats a terrible year and im confident that the coaching staff and front office knows this as well

oh and you dont cut your losses if the loss is a pro bowl LT that gets 5 penalties a year and helps make drew brees the least sacked QB in the league

lumm0x 02-25-2010 02:02 PM

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I think alot of fans think Bushrod was sub-standard because we needed to provide some doubles and chip blocks to help him out. Frankly I think he is about average in the list of starting LT around the league and would have been an upgrade for some teams or at least equal to who they had. Top 5 LT's don't come around all that often. I don't even think of Brown as one although he is a few steps better than Bushrod on their best days.

Bushrod is serviceable and performed adequately. He didn't have a terrible year, he had a couple of off games but overall he overachieved expectations of many. No need to get down on the guy.

I think we keep him and Streif (as he can back up numerous positions and is our jumbo package blocker). Brown can be moved. I'd be happy if we saw a low 2nd rounder for him. Consider what we gave up to get Vilma and that approximates his value as a FA. We're not getting a 1st for him.

mikesaintfan 02-25-2010 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by lumm0x (Post 210282)
we're not getting a 1st for him.

could we use him plus our #32 to move up?..another thread mentioned buffalo

saintsfan601 02-25-2010 10:07 PM

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Bushrod was terrible.He single handly lost the Dallas game.

CantonLegend 02-26-2010 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by lumm0x (Post 210282)
Brown can be moved. I'd be happy if we saw a low 2nd rounder for him. Consider what we gave up to get Vilma and that approximates his value as a FA. We're not getting a 1st for him.

lesser players than brown have gone for a 1st round pick

i would hate to see the saints let him go because i truely feel they are smart enough to keep him

but if we really wanted to deal him i couldnt see the saints struggling to find a trade partner for a future 1st rounder if the tackle they wanted is gone by the time they pick

Boutte 02-28-2010 02:32 AM

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J. Brown when healthy is one of the best LTs in the game.

Bushrod is an outstanding young tackle and would start for half of the teams in league. Saying that he had a terrible year is ridiculous.

Same for Strief.

Stinchcomb is a first team Pro-Bowler.

Keep them all and count yourself lucky to have them.

CantonLegend 02-28-2010 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Boutte (Post 210565)
Bushrod is an outstanding young tackle and would start for half of the teams in league. Saying that he had a terrible year is ridiculous.

nope. bushrod kept our offense from scoring even more points. its obvious that he isnt the pass protecting LT that brown is because our sacks when up a ton

he got a few holding calls and false starts but most of the time he just let the DE go completely and hit drew

some people say he did well in run blocking but he didnt do that very well either. i remember earlier in the year mike bell fumbled in the backfield almost immediately after he took the handoff......he fumbled because he got hit by a defensive lineman that shouldve been blocked by bushrod

its not ridiculous to say bushrod had a terrible year because he did. we won the super bowl with him so obviously hes good right? no

we didnt win the super bowl because of bushrod but i'll tell you that we did lose the dallas game because of bushrod(and payton)......now tell me im wrong

i was very disappointed in not only bushrod, but sean payton for keeping him in the starting position for the entire season rather than letting strief play more

luckily he is not a starter or we would be addressing LT in the draft this year long before we drafted any kind of defensive player

CheramieIII 02-28-2010 08:17 AM

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Keep them all, sign LT, Peppers and Tony Brown and let's go back to the Superbowl.

Boutte 02-28-2010 11:10 AM

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We did have more sacks than we have had recently. We had 20. That's a pretty good number. In '07 we 16 and in '08 we had 13. I think if your LT is terrible you have a lot more sacks and much worse yards per carry than we had.

Maybe I'm off by saying the guy is an outstanding young LT. But I think I'm a lot closer to the truth with that statement your assessment of terrible.

As far as being disappointed in Payton for starting him I'm going to have go with the professional coaching staff's opinion over a guy on a fan forum.
Not trying to sarcastic or disrespectful of your opinion so please don't take it that way. We just saw it differently I guess.


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