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Tobias-Reiper 02-28-2010 07:40 PM

Re: New OT Rule
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 210646)
Havoc? really?


Your quoting got all messed up, but anyway, I don't know if you were being sarcastic or what with your "that's what I meant" comment... It is really short-sighted to say only one team has a shot at winning an OT game in the NFL. I mean really, REALLY short-sighted...maybe it was you who wrote that piece in Bleacher Reports about outlawing onside kicks to start the second half? :)

A bad call can happen at any time. Whether there's one possession or 2 possessions, or 10 possessions... no number of possessions is going to minimize that if that bad call happens to be what ends the game for you. Just like the Packers this year who got shafted by a bad call (or a bad non-call) or the Cardinals in SB 43 on the last play of their last drive in regulation.

And yes, games going longer than their slotted TV time can present a problem for advertisers. There are a lot of intricacies when it comes to cost rates and air time.

CantonLegend 03-01-2010 12:06 AM

Re: New OT Rule
 
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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 210625)
What? Only one participant gets a shot at winning?
You mean the team that gets to kick has to kick it to the other team and then they can't field a defense or something?

The "better" team should've been able to win it in regulation. If they can't win it in regulation, are they really the better team?

And you are telling me an OT game cannot be lost on a bad call or fluke play?

..and speaking of TV and commercial times, games going longer than the time slotted for them will wreck havoc with network programming and advertising money, not make it better.

i cried a little when i realized i agreed with everything you said and then i got a little happier when i read the last thing you wrote

this last super bowl was the most watched television show in history

football brings some of the highest ratings of any show in the world and there are only a handful of games actually shown on TV.....and they are only shown on the weekends during football season

a longer game would not wreak havoc on a television station, only make it better because fans want to watch good football games......not blowouts

OT should be left like it is because both teams do get a chance to score....regardless of who wins the coin flip

but your argument about the TV stations getting upset doesnt really make sense to me

Choupique 03-01-2010 01:40 AM

Re: New OT Rule
 
TV will love it. You have got to be kidding.

One word. Revenue.

Tobias-Reiper 03-01-2010 06:08 AM

Re: New OT Rule
 
Maybe "wreck havoc" is too strong a term... I am not talking about the Superbowl, I am talking about the regular season.
TV slots are priced in a variety of ways, including the length of the ad, the show they're aired on, and the time of the day they are aired on, among other factors.

.. and people don't necessarily want to watch a longer game. Just because a game goes into overtime it means the game is exciting. Sure the die hard fans of the teams will watch a 7-7 game go into overtime (heck people watch the Lions) but the causal fan will not.

subguy 03-01-2010 06:16 AM

Re: New OT Rule
 
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Originally Posted by B005TED (Post 210592)
"The NFL has had 325 overtime games since the rule was adopted in 1974.

The results:
Both teams have had possession 235 times (72.3%).
The team that has won the toss has won 169 times (52.0%).
The team that has lost the toss has won 141 times (43.4%).
223 games were decided by a field goal (68.6%).
86 games were decided by a TD (26.5%).
One game was decided by a safety (0.3%).
There have been 15 ties (4.6%)."

Exact quote from USA Today, 52%-43%. Seems close enough to me. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Leave it as it is. The team that loses the coin toss just needs to step up their defense. This game does have TWO sides of the ball.

I was all for switching until I saw this post...I never realized it was that close. It seemes like first team kicks a field goal a lot more than that.

Budsdrinker 03-01-2010 10:01 AM

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If you want to change anything why not just play a 7:00 minute OT period just like regulation and like they do in the NBA. I sat thru 3 OT periods in January at a Rockets game. If it is still tied after the first 7:00 minutes than play sudden death.

Rugby Saint II 03-01-2010 11:12 AM

Re: New OT Rule
 
Remember when games used to last close to four hours and the league sped up the game to keep it close to three hours? I don't know if they want to have a game that they can't control the length.

skymike 03-01-2010 04:37 PM

Re: New OT Rule
 
I agree with Toby that a tie is not the end of the world in regular season. We had ties in football for 60 years, and everybody did just fine. I agree with Gumbeau that the college system is stupid.

If you dont want to lose the game to a coin toss, then win the damn game in regulation. Or come out and play defense.

Does anybody remember we lost the coin toss to the Redskins in OT, then got a turnover & won the game?

ScottF touched on the final answer, though. If they extend OT, then the NFL can sell more commercials. Guess what they're gonna do????

The last thing I want to see is more change. The worst thing the NFL can do is **** with a good thing.

If you must have change, here's one. Eliminate replay, and call the game on the field, like we did for 90 years. Replay is just a 2nd chance to blow the call. My kids were bored to death by the last game they saw. No wonder they watch wrestling. Just play ball.

SmashMouth 03-01-2010 05:47 PM

Re: New OT Rule
 
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 210708)
Remember when games used to last close to four hours and the league sped up the game to keep it close to three hours? I don't know if they want to have a game that they can't control the length.

Nawhh man ... just keep playing till you drop ... last man standing wins! Plus make every team go for two points in OT after the first overtime.

I would love to see the Saints whoop up on the Vikings in a six overtime game and win with yet another interception of Favre by #22 for a pick 6.

As fas as replay, we need more of it. And put a chip in the dang ball to more accurately move the chains and score a TD! Some of those spots leave a lot to be desired. Also make super long fieldgoals worth more, like a 3 pointer for a 50 yarder or longer. And get rid of the super long yardage penalty for pass interference. 15 yards is fine.

skymike 03-01-2010 06:05 PM

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chip in the ball... mmm.. thats interesting...

iceshack149 03-01-2010 08:01 PM

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They call ties "sister kissers" for a reason. Ties are awful. I don't want to watch a sports matchup without a winner and loser. Why play the game? What does a tie establish? A tie is vanilla. No real outcome. Athletics looks for a winner and a loser, not a tie-er.

College OT stinks. They change the rules of the game during OT :confused:.

vpheughan 03-01-2010 08:31 PM

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Let's see you're on your own 10 the QB drops back and heaves it to the opponents 20 and there is interference. Reward the defense twice, once for stopping the pass and second for being penalized only 15 yards. I like the NFL rule better.

vpheughan 03-01-2010 08:42 PM

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Both teams do not have to touch the ball if the rule changes. Remember the second half on side kick? What happens then? Only one team had the ball. That's not FAIR? FAIR!!!? FAIR!!!? the WR runs a 4.3 and the CB a 4.5 that's not FAIR. Put extra weight on the faster guys so they all run the same speed. And on and on and on and on...........................

Tobias-Reiper 03-13-2010 06:54 PM

Re: New OT Rule
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 210666)
i cried a little when i realized i agreed with everything you said and then i got a little happier when i read the last thing you wrote

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choupique (Post 210669)
TV will love it. You have got to be kidding.
One word. Revenue.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 210646)
Havoc? really?


...well, well,well...

In an interview on the NFL Network, Rich Eisen asked Jerry Jones about revising OT rules... his answer?
"
"extended overtimes really play havoc on the (TV) scheduling"

IN YO' FACE, BLANKETY BLANKS!!!!!

I rule.

NFL Videos: Jerry Jones interview

homerj07 03-13-2010 08:41 PM

Re: New OT Rule
 
There are goods & bads to any side of this argument. I doubt they will change it easily

hagan714 03-13-2010 09:42 PM

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it is a start to bringing back full qrts. till then I will not be total happy

CantonLegend 03-13-2010 11:12 PM

Re: New OT Rule
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 213027)
...well, well,well...

In an interview on the NFL Network, Rich Eisen asked Jerry Jones about revising OT rules... his answer?
"
"extended overtimes really play havoc on the (TV) scheduling"

IN YO' FACE, BLANKETY BLANKS!!!!!

I rule.

NFL Videos: Jerry Jones interview

just letting you know.......everything that jerry jones says is straight from the devils mouth

u know better tobi lol

:broccoli::broccoli::broccoli:

PAIN- 03-14-2010 12:56 AM

Re: New OT Rule
 
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Originally Posted by poydras (Post 210549)
They aren't going to make us go back in time and replay the NFC Championship game! If they change the rule, it's no big deal. The way it is now worked FOR us this time and the odds are it would have worked AGAINST us the next time. The way our offense plays, I can deal with it being either way. Personally, I don't think they are going to want to change it and make the games even longer than they are now. It all comes down to the flip of a coin, 50/50. How can you get more fair than that?

It's not even a flip of the coin. Stats say that the team that wins the coin toss, for overtime, only wins about 55% of the time. That's pretty damn even, and the saint-vikings overtime game was the most watched game all year. In my opinion, that means leave the damn rules as they are!

Saint_LB 03-14-2010 05:48 AM

Re: New OT Rule
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 213027)
...well, well,well...

In an interview on the NFL Network, Rich Eisen asked Jerry Jones about revising OT rules... his answer?
"
"extended overtimes really play havoc on the (TV) scheduling"

IN YO' FACE, BLANKETY BLANKS!!!!!

I rule.

Well...at least they got it right! :)


Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 213027)
..and speaking of TV and commercial times, games going longer than the time slotted for them will wreck havoc with network programming and advertising money, not make it better.

Did you have a '57 Chevy you called "havoc"?
Here...let me fix that for ya, Mr. Perfect!


Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 213027)
..and speaking of TV and commercial times, games going longer than the time slotted for them will wreak havoc with network programming and advertising money, not make it better.

No, but seriously...good call.

ScottF 03-14-2010 10:04 AM

Re: New OT Rule
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 213027)
...well, well,well...

In an interview on the NFL Network, Rich Eisen asked Jerry Jones about revising OT rules... his answer?
"
"extended overtimes really play havoc on the (TV) scheduling"

IN YO' FACE, BLANKETY BLANKS!!!!!

I rule.

NFL Videos: Jerry Jones interview


So, do you and the all-mighty, all-knowing JJ agree on everything?

in my face, indeed

Tobias-Reiper 03-14-2010 04:23 PM

Re: New OT Rule
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 213089)
So, do you and the all-mighty, all-knowing JJ agree on everything?

in my face, indeed


Take the high road.. accept you were wrong and move on.

I don't agree with everything Jones says, then again:
1) he's part of the competition committee
2) he deals with TV networks' execs and puts his signature on the deals made between the NFL and the TV networks
3) he's a much more successful man than you and I combined, so we should probably agree with what he says more often.

Choupique 03-14-2010 07:41 PM

Re: New OT Rule
 
Jerry Jones is a moron and a douchebag. You sound like you lick him or something.

That is not a typo.

BigAlHeDMan 03-14-2010 07:58 PM

Re: New OT Rule
 
Isn't it strange how the rule has been in effect for well over 20 years, but only became an issue when the Saints beat the Vikes. Note to Favre: Don't throw an interception with 7 seconds left, and the rule doesn't have to be changed. Sore f'n losers.

Tobias-Reiper 03-14-2010 09:08 PM

Re: New OT Rule
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Choupique (Post 213114)
Jerry Jones is a moron and a douchebag. You sound like you lick him or something.

That is not a typo.


You know? Being an internet tough guy and insulting people on a board message doesn't make you right, or smarter, or "manlier"... it only shows either one of the following:
a) an inferiority complex.
b) lack of sufficient intelligence to coherently argue a point.
c) senility
d) all of the above.

Here is the reality of the situation:
I said longer games conflict with TV schedules.
You said,
Quote:

Originally Posted by Choupique (Post 210669)
TV will love it. You have got to be kidding.
One word. Revenue.

Now, Jerry Jones, you know, the moron and douchebag who owns the most valuable franchise in the NFL, the moron and douchebag who sits on the NFL competition committee, the moron and douchebag who actually is part of the negociation of the TV deal with the networks, said the same thing I said.
And the best you can come up with is this?

There was this old guy who used to post here who had a very good sig line for these types of situations.

ScottF 03-15-2010 02:21 PM

Re: New OT Rule
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 213027)
...well, well,well...

In an interview on the NFL Network, Rich Eisen asked Jerry Jones about revising OT rules... his answer?
"
"extended overtimes really play havoc on the (TV) scheduling"

IN YO' FACE, BLANKETY BLANKS!!!!!

I rule.

assuming the above is an example of the high road,
I admit I was wrong

Saint_LB 03-16-2010 02:41 AM

Re: New OT Rule
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 213121)

There was this old guy who used to post here who had a very good sig line for these types of situations.

Quoting Vinnie Barbarino...

"What...where?"


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