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PAIN- 04-05-2010 05:46 PM

Bush trade talks!
 
Someone tell me if you've heard anything about this! I heard that we were trading Bush to Seattle for their starting DE and their(I think) the 14th pick in the draft. My father-in-law told me he saw it on the Sports Illustrated website, but I can't find it. Let me know if I need to slap him or not! LOL

saintsfan1976 04-05-2010 05:49 PM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
Slap him for the hell of it.

Euphoria 04-05-2010 05:50 PM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
trade compensation reeks of BS.

saintsfan1976 04-05-2010 05:53 PM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
Here ya go dude:

3 days ago...

Quote:

Saints Agree In Principle To Trade RB Reggie Bush To Seahawks For Their 14th Pick And DE Lawrence Jackson

Posted by: Keith Null

It appears the Saints will indeed part ways with running back Reggie Bush before the start of the 2010 season after a source close the situation via twitter confirmed the Saints and the Seahawks have agreed in principle to a trade consisting of Bush for the Seahawks 14th pick in this years draft and DE Lawrence Jackson.

Bush, a Heisman Trophy winner, was taken by the Saints second overall in the 2006 draft amidst talk he was the second coming of Gale Sayers after an electric college career at USC.

However injuries and inconsistency have plagued him at the professional level resulting in rather pedestrian numbers for a running back and at this stage in his career his biggest threat is on special teams where he displays a knack for finding the end zone on punt returns.

That’s not to say that Bush doesn’t display brilliant straight line speed and at times can leave defenders tackling air in his wake it’s just that those moments are few and far between, coupled with this 8M dollar price tag for the 2010-2011 season it just too much for the Saints to ignore.

It has been speculated that the team was looking for a way to separate themselves from Bush and when his former college coach Pete Carroll took over control in Seattle rumors began to fly that a trade was in the works.

After all the Seahawks desperately need help at running back and Bush is certainly an upgrade to the talent they currently have, meanwhile the Saints could use another pick in the first round to help re-build their defense and acquiring a good DE like Lawrence Jackson helps to fill the void left by Charles Grant.

Officially no paperwork has yet to be filed with the league office but you can count on Bush being a Seahawk in 2010.

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CAN YOU SAY APRIL FOOLS!!!

saintsfan601 04-05-2010 05:56 PM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
I'm torn the 14th pick in the draft is nice but I like Bush alot.

saintfan 04-05-2010 05:58 PM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
Reggie isn't going anywhere

saintsfan1976 04-05-2010 06:04 PM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
Um. It was posted on 4/1/10. Hellllloooooo. lol

strato 04-05-2010 06:06 PM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
April fools ...dats old...lol

SmashMouth 04-05-2010 06:06 PM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
C'mon y'all .... it's an April fools joke .....


:bang:

:drink:

:dance:

:computer2:

:poke:

:doh:

TheEnigma 04-05-2010 06:14 PM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 216538)
Um. It was posted on 4/1/10. Hellllloooooo. lol

Yeah it got me scared until I saw that.

saintsfan601 04-05-2010 07:46 PM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
I thought that to then I saw that it was posted on 4/5/10.Didnt think it was an April fools joke.

QBREES9 04-05-2010 09:28 PM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
April Fools ........ Crazy talk

PAIN- 04-05-2010 10:33 PM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
Ok, so is it BS or not. It would actually make a lot of sense if it were true. I'd take the pick and the DE and not pay that 8 million, but i'm not the GM.

breesfan27 04-06-2010 01:08 AM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
I saw something posted yesterday about Reggie being traded to Kansas City, but I knew right away it was bull**** after I found nothing about it on nfl.com or the team website. :rolleyes:

pumpkindriver 04-06-2010 02:21 AM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
LMAO!!! It always amazes me how many people are taken in by stuff written,said, broadcasted etc on April Fools Day. We all know thats its coming and yet, some people fall for it every time.

pumpkindriver 04-06-2010 02:33 AM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
As far as Bush goes, heres one thing a lot of you don't quite get. We all know hes not an every down back, and honestly, the days of the "FeaturedRunning Back" are gone. Its a QB driven league now and thank goodness we have a great one. But back to Bush, what he does is create mismatches, this is very important to our offense. If he lines up in the slot, then the Defense either has to pull down a corner to cover him or try and do it with a LB. Either way this is a problem for them and will leave Brees with more options in the passing attack b/c somebody, is not gonna be covered well. You ask any of the hosts on the Sirius NFL Channel if Reggie should be traded, and all of them will say NO! His yards per touch during the playoffs was out of this world, somewhere around 7 or 8 yards. He makes more contributions than most of you realize and is an integral part of what makes our offense go. Trust in Loomis, Payton and the rest of the staff, they got us a Lombardi. I think they have a far better idea of who should be on the team than any of y'all do.

Budsdrinker 04-06-2010 07:12 AM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
Well said pumpkin!

saintsfan1976 04-06-2010 07:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PAIN- (Post 216603)
Ok, so is it BS or not. It would actually make a lot of sense if it were true. I'd take the pick and the DE and not pay that 8 million, but i'm not the GM.

And we're glad your NOT the GM - lol.

QBREES9 04-06-2010 07:22 AM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
Why would you want to trade Bush anyway.

hagan714 04-06-2010 07:24 AM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
All depends how bad Pete Carol wants him back. lets talk 2 firsts for Bush and #32

CheramieIII 04-06-2010 07:32 AM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
I would take that deal in a heart beat and draft a player like Bush with the 14th pick. We get another good DE, still get to draft Kindle or Weatherspoon at #32 and Anthony Dixon at #64. Damn I'm excited about the draft this year. I do know this was a joke but it would be interesting.

Sir Psycho Sexy 04-06-2010 08:20 AM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
i'm just now seeing this thread. I saw the post date and got the joke but am disappointed. I'd love a first plus a DE for Bush.

Saintswrath 04-06-2010 10:07 AM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
LOL YOU SO CRAZY!! .. you sooo crazy.. "Shanane' from Martin"

Rugby Saint II 04-06-2010 01:27 PM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
Ha ha ha.........It's not funny. I like what Reggie does for us, maybe not as much for 8 mill. Although, it would be an interesting offer.

PAIN- 04-06-2010 07:11 PM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 216649)
And we're glad your NOT the GM - lol.

Damn, you don't have to be a ***** about it!

homerj07 04-06-2010 07:50 PM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
Might make a lot of sense though!!

HintOfLogic 04-06-2010 07:59 PM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
follow me here.....

I personally like our offense better without Bush. All I read is that Bush creates mismatches.... well, to me this is nothing shy of desperate optimism from committed or jaded fans.

Fact, Bush creates no more mismatches than the more effective Pierre Thomas. If this is the case. I only think that fans sense an overemphasis on him when he's in. Every position player has his assignments and/or zones no matter what. Whether it's PT, Bush, Bell, whatever, whoever is spying him, is spying him.... I actually think that when D's see Bush, there may be a little bit of relief. Now no commentators or players in interviews will say this, but Bush has proven to be quite a small task to take down. You will hardly ever, EVER see Bush break a tackle much less slip past a defender. Bush will take what he can get before d's close in on him. I'm sorry, but this is not progressive football these days. In my opinion, I see Bush as the weakest back in the NFL (can you think of anyone else that goes down easier?)

At first, drafting Bush, he was "going to make every guy on the field miss" right, remember? Come' on, I believed the hype and the sky was the limit right. He was going to be our "A.P. or the current Chris Johnson". Game after game, week after week, we only witnessed more and more compiling limitations of this guy.

Bush is vastly, I mean VASTLY overhyped and tragically overpaid.

I can't help thinking that we staggered for years while experimenting with Bush. Coach Payton, I'll give him his credit, but he has stubbornly pi$$ed away drives and games while trying to force reggie in during a variety of situations. It's not Payton's fault, and for the money Bush is making, I'd do all to get my use out of him.... not to mention, just diligently trying to find what he does good.

Up until about the last four games, Bush has played with no heart, played scarred and played stupid in most cases. Also, I've never seen a player , EVER, be so quick to dart out of bounds. I've seen him turn it on a little more in those last four, but I've gotta wonder, knowing he's coming up on his payout year, or the fact that his lack of production would be a threat for him to return, I wonder if he hasn't just expelled himself only NOW, to either solidify his final year here, or to put on a show for resume purposes to go off to another team overhyped and overpaid, only to regress back to playing like a diva. So saying that, do I 1. get excited that he's shown some heart and commitment to the game the last few games and hope big for the future.... or 2. wonder why T.F. he's been playing so timid and soft the past few years? That's just not commendable in my mind. I can't just say, "Yeah, Reggie, You finally turned it on" without thinking "#2." If this is the case as well, as I've always viewed, it only validates the factor that he's a selfish player.

I think the term "mismatch" and "decoy" are only a cop-out in terms of an NFL running backs credibility. All I can say, is thank God for the real deal Pierre Thomas. It's like this.... without Bush, this team still makes a Super Bowl run, Without Pierre, it's out of reach. I'm all about real difference makers, not dwindling hope.


[edit] BTW, before you try to blow smoke up my ___ about how "yeah, but Bush was an integral part of our Super Bowl season.... why mess with a good thing, etc." take a look at Bush's involvement in this season and particularly his involvement in our wins in a dominant fashion.

There is half a dozen games where bush only got 1, 2-4 touches, and we blew opponents away. For those who preach that we need him to "decoy" the D's or whatever, what do you feel about our most dominant and statement wins in '09 in which Bush either didn't even play or was a 1,2,3 touch hindrance performance....
Win - Giants: 6 carries 17 yds., 2.8 avg. (that's a whole lot of going no where runs.)
Win - wk. 11 TB and wk. 12 NE, Epic wins, Epic offensive performances, Bush doesn't even play.... etc, etc.....

st thomas 04-06-2010 08:32 PM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PAIN- (Post 216530)
Someone tell me if you've heard anything about this! I heard that we were trading Bush to Seattle for their starting DE and their(I think) the 14th pick in the draft. My father-in-law told me he saw it on the Sports Illustrated website, but I can't find it. Let me know if I need to slap him or not! LOL

my brother pulled something like that on my butt on april fools day. that would be tiger woods type media news.

Saint_LB 04-06-2010 09:04 PM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HintOfLogic (Post 216732)
follow me here.....

I personally like our offense better without Bush. All I read is that Bush creates mismatches.... well, to me this is nothing shy of desperate optimism from committed or jaded fans.

Fact, Bush creates no more mismatches than the more effective Pierre Thomas. If this is the case. I only think that fans sense an overemphasis on him when he's in. Every position player has his assignments and/or zones no matter what. Whether it's PT, Bush, Bell, whatever, whoever is spying him, is spying him.... I actually think that when D's see Bush, there may be a little bit of relief. Now no commentators or players in interviews will say this, but Bush has proven to be quite a small task to take down. You will hardly ever, EVER see Bush break a tackle much less slip past a defender. Bush will take what he can get before d's close in on him. I'm sorry, but this is not progressive football these days. In my opinion, I see Bush as the weakest back in the NFL (can you think of anyone else that goes down easier?)

At first, drafting Bush, he was "going to make every guy on the field miss" right, remember? Come' on, I believed the hype and the sky was the limit right. He was going to be our "A.P. or the current Chris Johnson". Game after game, week after week, we only witnessed more and more compiling limitations of this guy.

Bush is vastly, I mean VASTLY overhyped and tragically overpaid.

I can't help thinking that we staggered for years while experimenting with Bush. Coach Payton, I'll give him his credit, but he has stubbornly pi$$ed away drives and games while trying to force reggie in during a variety of situations. It's not Payton's fault, and for the money Bush is making, I'd do all to get my use out of him.... not to mention, just diligently trying to find what he does good.

Up until about the last four games, Bush has played with no heart, played scarred and played stupid in most cases. Also, I've never seen a player , EVER, be so quick to dart out of bounds. I've seen him turn it on a little more in those last four, but I've gotta wonder, knowing he's coming up on his payout year, or the fact that his lack of production would be a threat for him to return, I wonder if he hasn't just expelled himself only NOW, to either solidify his final year here, or to put on a show for resume purposes to go off to another team overhyped and overpaid, only to regress back to playing like a diva. So saying that, do I 1. get excited that he's shown some heart and commitment to the game the last few games and hope big for the future.... or 2. wonder why T.F. he's been playing so timid and soft the past few years? That's just not commendable in my mind. I can't just say, "Yeah, Reggie, You finally turned it on" without thinking "#2." If this is the case as well, as I've always viewed, it only validates the factor that he's a selfish player.

I think the term "mismatch" and "decoy" are only a cop-out in terms of an NFL running backs credibility. All I can say, is thank God for the real deal Pierre Thomas. It's like this.... without Bush, this team still makes a Super Bowl run, Without Pierre, it's out of reach. I'm all about real difference makers, not dwindling hope.


[edit] BTW, before you try to blow smoke up my ___ about how "yeah, but Bush was an integral part of our Super Bowl season.... why mess with a good thing, etc." take a look at Bush's involvement in this season and particularly his involvement in our wins in a dominant fashion.

There is half a dozen games where bush only got 1, 2-4 touches, and we blew opponents away. For those who preach that we need him to "decoy" the D's or whatever, what do you feel about our most dominant and statement wins in '09 in which Bush either didn't even play or was a 1,2,3 touch hindrance performance....
Win - Giants: 6 carries 17 yds., 2.8 avg. (that's a whole lot of going no where runs.)
Win - wk. 11 TB and wk. 12 NE, Epic wins, Epic offensive performances, Bush doesn't even play.... etc, etc.....

YouTube- Reggie Bush highlights

HintOfLogic 04-06-2010 10:22 PM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
^^^ you do realize that if a highlight reel was made of even Aaron Brooks, would look equally if not more impressive right. My point is.... just because a player accumulates enough good plays for a highlight reel, doesn't mean that the team is better off with or without him.

How do you think a "Goof, Oops and Come'on Man Reel" of Reggie Bush would look? Can Youtube host a video that long?

I like how you didn't address any of the opinions with response, but plopped a hand pick, select choice of plays from Reggies career.

Saint_LB 04-07-2010 04:33 AM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HintOfLogic (Post 216767)
^^^ you do realize that if a highlight reel was made of even Aaron Brooks, would look equally if not more impressive right. My point is.... just because a player accumulates enough good plays for a highlight reel, doesn't mean that the team is better off with or without him.

How do you think a "Goof, Oops and Come'on Man Reel" of Reggie Bush would look? Can Youtube host a video that long?

I like how you didn't address any of the opinions with response, but plopped a hand pick, select choice of plays from Reggies career.

No response was necessary. Anyone who just watches the whole thing will realize that you are the one exagerating in this forum.

HintOfLogic 04-07-2010 05:19 AM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Saint_LB (Post 216822)
No response was necessary. Anyone who just watches the whole thing will realize that you are the one exagerating in this forum.

Whoooosh.... right over your head again.

and BTW, I don't need to go and watch a highlight reel to jade my opinion. You've probably watched that thing to the point of brainwashing yourself.

xan 04-07-2010 09:48 AM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
10 minute highlight reel with the same several plays looped over and over and over. Some are preseason games. Bush has yet to put back to back games of any quality together. To be fair, his injuries have caused a meaningful reduction in speed, cutting ability and desire to get hit. He is a weapon, but only within the system. He's not a featured back, he's not a true receiver, he's not durable and he's not punishing. He is a very expensive cog for the Saints' wheel.

strato 04-07-2010 09:51 AM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
Its ok we have PT...and Bush will take a paycut..

HintOfLogic 04-07-2010 02:29 PM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xan (Post 216854)
10 minute highlight reel with the same several plays looped over and over and over. Some are preseason games. Bush has yet to put back to back games of any quality together. To be fair, his injuries have caused a meaningful reduction in speed, cutting ability and desire to get hit. He is a weapon, but only within the system. He's not a featured back, he's not a true receiver, he's not durable and he's not punishing. He is a very expensive cog for the Saints' wheel.

exactly, good points....

notice how when you make statements, and make sense, they are not commented on. Don't worry, someone will be along shortly to try to discredit everything you've got to say with some spell-check errors or take the argument directly to your credibility apposed to addressing your theories.

I also think Reggie is only accepted because of the better play of people around him. How many games have we seen where Reggie is put into different situations only to continue to not get anything going and find himself standing on the sidelines the rest of the day. Meanwhile Bell and Pierre were out there getting it done. If Pierre and Bell weren't available and and we relied on Reggie, I think they'd shut him down in no time.... and can't same the same if the situation was reversed.

Look at the last, overtime drive of the NFC championship game. To me I think it sums up Reggie's value. We get the kick... Pierre returns. If Reggie's "ultimate weapon" theories were true, I think you throw him in there for this situation regardless... anyways, so Pierre makes an epic return (as he usually does) and almost all but puts it in field goal range already. moving on..... it goes like: Henderson, clutch catch, next, Pierre converts huge 1st down [closing in on FG range].... they put in Bush for a play and... BAMM - loses 5 yards. knocking them out of FG range. Fortunately, we have clutch players to pick up his slack.... Meachem makes a nice reception for good FG range.....

so, what I'm saying is.... it's our clutch players that kept us rolling. From my view point, YES, Reggie is a change of pace, and he has to be accounted for, but it seems just as often as not, he's a change of pace FOR THE WORST! BTW Reggie had 7 rush attempts for 8 yards that game.... that's 7 wasted plays. This is Reggie to me.

Our offense can shred without him... and you take him out of the picture and you lose all the huge loses of him getting shoestring tackled while dancing around the backfield or running laterally towards to sidelines. Because he lowered his shoulders for the last few games doesn't convince me.... The only I am convinced about is that he was exerting himself while closing in on his biggest payday season to come. Or even put on a show for potential trade interests. I can see that he can be a consistent threat, but I've seen 4 years of him playing like a scarred diva that doesn't convince me that he will continue play with heart. It's that simple.

strato 04-07-2010 02:37 PM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HintOfLogic (Post 216910)
exactly, good points....

notice how when you make statements, and make sense, they are not commented on. Don't worry, someone will be along shortly to try to discredit everything you've got to say with some spell-check errors or take the argument directly to your credibility apposed to addressing your theories.

I also think Reggie is only accepted because of the better play of people around him. How many games have we seen where Reggie is put into different situations only to continue to not get anything going and find himself standing on the sidelines the rest of the day. Meanwhile Bell and Pierre were out there getting it done. If Pierre and Bell weren't available and and we relied on Reggie, I think they'd shut him down in no time.... and can't same the same if the situation was reversed.

Look at the last, overtime drive of the NFC championship game. To me I think it sums up Reggie's value. We get the kick... Pierre returns. If Reggie's "ultimate weapon" theories were true, I think you throw him in there for this situation regardless... anyways, so Pierre makes an epic return (as he usually does) and almost all but puts it in field goal range already. moving on..... it goes like: Henderson, clutch catch, next, Pierre converts huge 1st down [closing in on FG range].... they put in Bush for a play and... BAMM - loses 5 yards. knocking them out of FG range. Fortunately, we have clutch players to pick up his slack.... Meachem makes a nice reception for good FG range.....

so, what I'm saying is.... it's our clutch players that kept us rolling. From my view point, YES, Reggie is a change of pace, and he has to be accounted for, but it seems just as often as not, he's a change of pace FOR THE WORST! BTW Reggie had 7 rush attempts for 8 yards that game.... that's 7 wasted plays. This is Reggie to me.

Our offense can shred without him... and you take him out of the picture and you lose all the huge loses of him getting shoestring tackled while dancing around the backfield or running laterally towards to sidelines. Because he lowered his shoulders for the last few games doesn't convince me.... The only I am convinced about is that he was exerting himself while closing in on his biggest payday season to come. Or even put on a show for potential trade interests. I can see that he can be a consistent threat, but I've seen 4 years of him playing like a scarred diva that doesn't convince me that he will continue play with heart. It's that simple.


Bush Basher...lol

HintOfLogic 04-08-2010 11:02 PM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by strato (Post 216914)
Bush Basher...lol

"LOL" away the pain! (haha)

strato 04-08-2010 11:37 PM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
Thats all we can do right?..i mean have been for 30yrs..lol..now i dont know what to do..

jonnyrotten 04-09-2010 04:56 PM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
You can look at the Bush thing a hundred ways. Take the St.Louis game, if he doesn't play we don't win. THen the undefeated saints lose to the winless rams....how does that change a season. BTW, check Pierre's paltry stats from that game.

strato 04-09-2010 04:58 PM

Re: Bush trade talks!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jonnyrotten (Post 217538)
You can look at the Bush thing a hundred ways. Take the St.Louis game, if he doesn't play we don't win. THen the undefeated saints lose to the winless rams....how does that change a season. BTW, check Pierre's paltry stats from that game.

Hey Jonny..hows Sid and Nancy...lol


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