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strato 04-24-2010 10:44 PM

Kipers Draft Grades for the NFC South
 
New Orleans Saints
Summary: New Orleans made an attempt at need picks but didn't get a lot. Blame a lot of that on where the Saints were picking from. Super Bowl winners rarely get high grades for drafts. Patrick Robinson is a tough corner who provides starts or depth immediately. Then the Saints got Charles Brown with the last pick in the second round, a fair value. Centers will never go high, but Matt Tennant is one of the best the draft had to offer. Jimmy Graham could be a good developmental tight end from a school that's produced some good ones. Not a flashy draft, but the Saints didn't have many options.

Draft grade: C

Atlanta Falcons
Summary: Sean Weatherspoon is a good outside linebacker and has the strength and size to start and be productive in this league, but after that, it's a lot of wishful thinking. Corey Peters was a slight reach on my board even at 83 and has a ways to go to improve his skills. Joseph Hawley has a chance to develop, but a pair of guards and no tight end or even a shot at a defensive end surprises me. I don't see an improved football team.

Draft grade: C-

Carolina Panthers
Summary: Carolina started late, but consistently got value. The debate on Jimmy Clausen started a long time ago and it won't end just because the draft is complete, but to get a guy with his skill set and upside at No. 48 is exceptional value no matter where you stand on the debate. I liked Brandon LaFell at No. 78, and Eric Norwood and Greg Hardy in the fourth and sixth rounds, respectively, are both low on risk and extremely high on potential. Norwood is inconsistent, but he's looked positively dominating in some games, and Hardy drops mostly because of injury questions. Tony Pike may even develop into a chip they can move down the line.

Draft grade: B

Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Summary: Tampa had a great draft. They get arguably the best all-around talent in the draft in Gerald McCoy, then, in a move reminiscint of what San Francisco decided to do along the offensive line, they nabbed Brian Price early in the second round with the hope they could get the wide receiver they needed a little later. Price and McCoy should complement each other well. That reciever turned out to be Arrelious Benn with the No. 39 pick, and he can be a good one. By the fourth round, when Tampa landed Mike Williams with the 101st overall pick, they had four guys I've had on the Big Board at some point. Myron Lewis at corner is another solid pick. The story for Tampa is they drastically improved arguably their two weakest position groups. Productive draft.

Draft grade: B+

saintfan 04-24-2010 10:49 PM

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I'd say "C" is fair

TheEnigma 04-24-2010 11:11 PM

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At least the falcons got the lowest grade

QBREES9 04-24-2010 11:17 PM

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who the Hell is Mel Kiper

strato 04-24-2010 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by QBREES9 (Post 221774)
who the Hell is Mel Kiper

LOL...

D_it_up 04-25-2010 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 221766)
Not a flashy draft

I think this quote right here just about sums up the reason a lot of Saints' fans were up in arms about the selections the Saints made. They didn't select any marquee names that were really talked about. Some may say that it was because the Saints weren't drafting for need positions, but it comes down to the flash when it all boils down.

A lot of us questioned the Robinson pick, wondering if they were going to select a corner, if he was the best option for the position. Same goes for Brown with Bruce Campbell on the board, and Jimmy Graham with Aaron Hernandez and Dennis Pitta still available. They didn't draft the likes of Kindle, Cody, Mays, etc. that a lot of us were talking about before the draft when they were available on the board.

Overall, the draft didn't turn out TOO bad. I think it could have gone a whole lot worse, but that's still the thinking I have from years of seeing the Saints screw up a draft from previous regimes. In the Peyton years, he has had a very astute eye for talent, so apparently the choices they made were what they thought was best for the team. Trading a 4th next year to move back into the 5th round for the center could have been a steal. Then again, any of these picks could turn out that way. They could just as easily be a bust.

The Saints may have chosen players that may only produce down the road, but that shows this team is attempting to keep a lot of continuity to a team that just won the Super Bowl for the first time ever. It definitely wasn't flashy, but IMHO, they drafted smart.

SmashMouth 04-25-2010 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by D_it_up (Post 221786)
I think this quote right here just about sums up the reason a lot of Saints' fans were up in arms about the selections the Saints made. They didn't select any marquee names that were really talked about. Some may say that it was because the Saints weren't drafting for need positions, but it comes down to the flash when it all boils down.

A lot of us questioned the Robinson pick, wondering if they were going to select a corner, if he was the best option for the position. Same goes for Brown with Bruce Campbell on the board, and Jimmy Graham with Aaron Hernandez and Dennis Pitta still available. They didn't draft the likes of Kindle, Cody, Mays, etc. that a lot of us were talking about before the draft when they were available on the board.

Overall, the draft didn't turn out TOO bad. I think it could have gone a whole lot worse, but that's still the thinking I have from years of seeing the Saints screw up a draft from previous regimes. In the Peyton years, he has had a very astute eye for talent, so apparently the choices they made were what they thought was best for the team. Trading a 4th next year to move back into the 5th round for the center could have been a steal. Then again, any of these picks could turn out that way. They could just as easily be a bust.

The Saints may have chosen players that may only produce down the road, but that shows this team is attempting to keep a lot of continuity to a team that just won the Super Bowl for the first time ever. It definitely wasn't flashy, but IMHO, they drafted smart.

yes indeed ... many of these guys are probably better than we know.

papz 04-25-2010 07:40 AM

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He's being tight with his grades. I would have given both Tampa and Carolina A's and the Saints a solid B.

saintsfan1976 04-25-2010 07:43 AM

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D_it_up - I walked away from this draft happy too.

We needed CB, OL, DT/DE and we found value with each pick.

Some guys are 2-3 years away, but their upside is huge.

foreverfan 04-25-2010 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 221806)
D_it_up - I walked away from this draft happy too.

We needed CB, OL, DT/DE and we found value with each pick.

Some guys are 2-3 years away, but their upside is huge.

Yea, I gave the draft a B because we won't get much help this year, but that's not what the drafts about for Superbowl champs. :D

exile 04-25-2010 09:13 AM

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For a C rating he sure had good things to say about our draft picks. :mrgreen:

foreverfan 04-25-2010 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by QBREES9 (Post 221774)
who the Hell is Mel Kiper

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ta_EPm33qQ...s400/zzzzz.jpg

TheDeuce 04-25-2010 09:51 AM

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I think C is a bit harsh, I definitely would have given it a B. I'm not entirely sold on Patrick Robinson because I don't typically like drafting underachievers. But he does add depth to the CB position, and I now feel much better about that unit should we have an injury.

Honestly, I thought the Charles Brown pick was the steal of the draft. He was rated by most people as a late first-round pick, and was even as high as 15th on Kiper's Big Board at one time. It doesn't fill a need, but it gives us great depth at an important position, and perhaps some flexibility if we want to trade.

The Graham pick I'm not entirely sold on. Didn't think we needed a TE that high, especially because of how well Thomas played this past season. I guess we'll see on this one.

Al Woods is still developing as a player. Played Class A ball in high school, went directly into the SEC without redshirting, and is still learning the game. He's got all of the physical tools, just needs to be coached. Could be a good one.

The center, meh. He's a center.

foreverfan 04-25-2010 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDeuce (Post 221846)
I think C is a bit harsh, I definitely would have given it a B. I'm not entirely sold on Patrick Robinson because I don't typically like drafting underachievers. But he does add depth to the CB position, and I now feel much better about that unit should we have an injury.

Honestly, I thought the Charles Brown pick was the steal of the draft. He was rated by most people as a late first-round pick, and was even as high as 15th on Kiper's Big Board at one time. It doesn't fill a need, but it gives us great depth at an important position, and perhaps some flexibility if we want to trade.

The Graham pick I'm not entirely sold on. Didn't think we needed a TE that high, especially because of how well Thomas played this past season. I guess we'll see on this one.

Al Woods is still developing as a player. Played Class A ball in high school, went directly into the SEC without redshirting, and is still learning the game. He's got all of the physical tools, just needs to be coached. Could be a good one.

The center, meh. He's a center.

Deuce... study the Graham pick and you will see that he may be the best pick of the draft. :bng:

TheDeuce 04-25-2010 10:16 AM

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I've studied, I'm just not sold on taking him in the 3rd round when there were some other guys that I think would have been better fits.

He's an ex-basketball player which has thoughts of Tony G and Antonio Gates dancing in everybody's heads, but I'm going to hold off on that until I see him in the NFL. I publish the Wake Forest Rivals site, so I'm pretty familiar with ACC football, so I saw this kid play last year. He's played football for one year in college (he quit in high school to concentrate on bball), so he's extremely raw. He's got great size, but that can work against him too because he plays high at times. He also doesn't run good routes right now, but that can be coached. But the thing that really worries me is that he catches the ball with his body. All of this can be fixed when he gets some coaching, but he's definitely a project.

He's very athletic and could turn out to be a good pick, but I just didn't get it. We had two very good TEs last season, and Miller is coming back. And we had some other needs, just curious that we went TE that early.

CantonLegend 04-25-2010 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by exile (Post 221831)
For a C rating he sure had good things to say about our draft picks. :mrgreen:

i think he just gave us a C because we didnt really address any needs

we picked good players......but none of them really fix the issues we had coming into the draft

foreverfan 04-25-2010 10:47 AM

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Canton, I think the DT position had been addressed. LB is another story.

foreverfan 04-25-2010 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDeuce (Post 221852)
I've studied, I'm just not sold on taking him in the 3rd round when there were some other guys that I think would have been better fits.

He's an ex-basketball player which has thoughts of Tony G and Antonio Gates dancing in everybody's heads, but I'm going to hold off on that until I see him in the NFL. I publish the Wake Forest Rivals site, so I'm pretty familiar with ACC football, so I saw this kid play last year. He's played football for one year in college (he quit in high school to concentrate on bball), so he's extremely raw. He's got great size, but that can work against him too because he plays high at times. He also doesn't run good routes right now, but that can be coached. But the thing that really worries me is that he catches the ball with his body. All of this can be fixed when he gets some coaching, but he's definitely a project.

He's very athletic and could turn out to be a good pick, but I just didn't get it. We had two very good TEs last season, and Miller is coming back. And we had some other needs, just curious that we went TE that early.

Shockey's contract is done in 2011. This guy will play this year. Hopefully...:bng:

CantonLegend 04-25-2010 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 221859)
Canton, I think the DT position had been addressed. LB is another story.

touche'

foreverfan 04-25-2010 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 221862)
touche'

It's not over yet. :bng:

RockyMountainSaint 04-25-2010 12:34 PM

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I have a question about Graham and TEs in general. Because they are OL positions do they work primarily with the OL coach, or because they are pass catchers do they work primarily with the WR coach? Both positions excel on this team but the things that CJ has done with our wideouts are remarkable to me. Never really considered this for some reason.

exile 04-25-2010 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 221856)
i think he just gave us a C because we didnt really address any needs

we picked good players......but none of them really fix the issues we had coming into the draft

I think that he is just like the fans. And don't always comprehend good football players or team needs.

foreverfan 04-25-2010 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint (Post 221902)
I have a question about Graham and TEs in general. Because they are OL positions do they work primarily with the OL coach, or because they are pass catchers do they work primarily with the WR coach? Both positions excel on this team but the things that CJ has done with our wideouts are remarkable to me. Never really considered this for some reason.

Yea.

ScottF 04-25-2010 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 221805)
He's being tight with his grades. I would have given both Tampa and Carolina A's and the Saints a solid B.

I'd go maybe B- on us, but you are right, Tampa is a definite A

homerj07 04-25-2010 09:05 PM

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Good crop of unsigned ree agents also!!


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